New fuel rules will make cars unaffordable

Autos.ca ^ | January 26, 2012

[SteelToe]

San Francisco, California – Proposed U.S. fuel economy rules will mean that seven million Americans will not be able to afford to buy a new car or truck in 2025, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA).

NADA director Forrest McConnell, a Honda and Acura dealer in Montgomery, Alabama, said that proposed fuel economy rules by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will create a US$3,200 increase in vehicle prices over those in 2010, and will limit the ability of many consumers to buy the vehicles they want or need.

Testifying at an EPA hearing regarding the rules, McConnell said that a 2011 U.S. Energy Information Administration analysis found that if the rule takes effect, cars under $15,000 will not be available in 2025.

The proposed mandate would increase fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon (4.3 L/100 km) by 2025.

“America’s auto dealers support continuous improvements in fuel economy,” McConnell said. “Instead of fighting the consumer, NADA urges the administration to act in a manner that will leverage consumer demand, thereby maximizing fleet turnover and ensuring maximum feasible fuel economy increases.”

[hinckley buzzard]

I think it is a fools errand to try to foresee 2025. These are not ordinary times, things are changing at an accelerating pace and in unpredictable directions. By 2025 this whole EPA fiasco may well be history, rendered obsolete by new technology and fuel breakthroughs, and politically moot by a return to some semblance of sanity driven by economic necessity.

[Timaeus]

What you think is a bug is to our policy elites a feature, the feature being to price Americans out of their cars and onto crowded buses or sidewalks or something, and do I need to remind everyone that Romney as governor supported such policies even going so far as to promote a state level cap-and-trade plan?

Support Gingrich.

[Spartan79]

...proposed fuel economy rules by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will create a US$3,200 increase in vehicle prices over those in 2010, and will limit the ability of many consumers to buy the vehicles they want or need.

That's not a bug, that's a feature. The left has for decades been plotting to get Americans out of their cars (except for our rulers, of course) and into busses and other mass transit systems operated by card-carrying dues-paying dem-voting union members.

[FlingWingFlyer]

GigaDittos to what you said.

[EGPWS]

Proposed U.S. fuel economy rules will mean that seven million Americans will not be able to afford to buy a new car or truck in 2025, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA).

0bama will just take the money from the rich who actually produce something and make the unaffordable affordable for those who don't produce.

[Spartan79]

You’re two minutes faster on the draw, I see.

[Spartan79]

You’re two minutes faster on the draw, I see.

[Timaeus]

I limber up using http://keybr.com/

It's the only way I can stay ahead of you.

[EGPWS]

...and do I need to remind everyone that Romney as governor supported such policies even going so far as to promote a state level cap-and-trade plan?

If the polls are accurate, apparently those who vote in Florida need to be reminded that Romney is nothing but the white version of 0bama.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Yep, a brand new federal program to make sure those priced out of the market by new regulations are able to buy a car. Let's call it the "Engine Start" program in honor of the wildly successful "Head Start" program.

[Timaeus]

If the polls are accurate, apparently those who vote in Florida need to be reminded that Romney is nothing but the white version of 0bama.

Yes, that's depressing, but Willard is outspending his rivals on advertising by several orders of magnitude with money from his small band of funders in the financial services sector and Bain capital, which other than Willard himself largely fund Democrats but I repeat myself.

Willard historically underperforms his polls, so there's hope anyway.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

You will buy whatever central planners tell you to buy. Food. Vehicles. Health insurance. Toilets. Light bulbs.

Tyranny. Get used to it.

[rbg81]

Its all part of the plan. Get Americans to move back to cities where their votes can be swamped by the Democratic machines in those areas.

[Navy Patriot]

Get Americans to move back to cities where their votes can be swamped by the Democratic machines in those areas.

Additionally, without land, those Americans become totally dependent on government and government permission for their air, water, food, shelter, heat, and medical care, just like Soviet citizens in the Gulags, and Jews in the camps.

This is nothing more than rural cleansing for the purpose of genocide.

[C210N]

brand new federal program ...

Gotta read between the lines a bit, but I KNOW it's in there somewheres! Just look closely:

[ProtectOurFreedom]

I see it! It’s hidden in the penumbra.

[from occupied ga]

This rule is verging on perpetual motion of the first kind. A gallon of gas only has so much energy. To get 54 mpg cars will have to be

1. Dangerously small
2. Made of very expensive materials and
3. woefully underpowered.

scooters that get this sort of mileage weigh a couple of hundred pounds, have about 12 hp and a top speed of about 55 mph

[Venturer]

I am going to look awfully funny riding a scooter with traning wheels at 85 y.o.

[from occupied ga]

You, komrad citizen, will not need to go anywhere because the government death panels will have already taken care of you by 2025. Heil 0bama

[Secret Agent Man]

All part of agenda 21.

[Secret Agent Man]

The government program will mandate these people must buy Chevy’s.

They’ll even have a new model just for them. The Chevy Handout. If you need a bigger model, the Chevy Bailout will be available but you will have to pay more or promise to feel guilty when driving it.

[DH]

I thank God that I won’t be around to see 2025. What a blessing to be old.

On the path we are on today I can’t imagine the type of world 2025 will be with the government controlling all things in your life ranging to what type and color socks you will wear to the uniform of the day and how many brush strokes you will use on each tooth.

The younger generation can’t complain though...they brought it upon themselves.

[Secret Agent Man]

Remember Obammy’s half white. Not as big of a gap between Romney and Bammy as you’d think just by looking at them.

[Secret Agent Man]

That’s why libs love Agenda 21 so much. It accomplishes multiple liberal goals at the same time, each group just saying they’re interested in one specific thing and denying the rest of what’s going on.

[familyop]

"2025?" It will be far worse for many more than 7 million people far sooner than that. The vanities of the debt regime are so thick as to be sardonically entertaining.

[Fee]

No it will just move car factories to China, or Brazil. These two nations can build cars at 1/3 less then US factories. The quality is not their yet, but they are rapidly closing the gap. If slightly short, the US corporations will send teams down to those countries to help train them to close it. The EPA fanatics are one of the job killers in the US. It is bad enough the multinational mentality of American CEO’s cost US jobs, now add the EPA to motivate the CEO’s even more.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Just imagine the fun you'll have in your new pedal-powered ATV.

[Dr. Sivana]

You will buy whatever central planners tell you to buy. Food. Vehicles. Health insurance. Toilets. Light bulbs.

I never realized I was part of a resistance, but then I looked at your list:

My wife grows fruit and vegetables, and we obtain meat from hunting/farming friends (cow/deer/lamb), we also have a grain mill; our vehicles are bought very used, partly because they don't make what we want any more (e.g. wife drives '94 Chevy Caprice wagon with V-8 ... seats 8 or 9); we have high deductible www.chministries.org shared medical coverage; I bought our 3.5 gallon flush toilets in Windsor, Ontario, Canada; I got around the proposed 100 watt restriction by installing 200 watt bulbs in my basement. I've just gotten used to going around that bad uys rather than taking 'em head on.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

My hat’s off to you sir!

[riri]

Look to Scandinavia to see what they have planned for us. Then, imagine THAT on steroids. In Norway and Denmark, cars are already not affordable to the average Joe. In certain areas of Stockholm, cars are no longer allowed in the city.

Please spend a half hour and lookup the Plannedopolis videos they are showing school aged children in the UK. They are preparing kids for a world where only the rich drive cars, calories are rationed. You have to see these videos to believe them.