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Future of U.S. Manufacturing Begins with Education
Nation of Change ^ | January 29, 2012 | George Koo

Posted on 01/29/2012 4:15:40 PM PST by lyby

In his State of the Union, President Obama stressed the importance of keeping manufacturing in America. The reasoning is that in order to continue to innovate and develop the next generation must-have products, the US needs manufacturing that uses leading edge technology. Nothing wrong with the reasoning, but it may be too late.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationofchange.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: learning; teaching
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For decades the majority of Americans, most of the so-called 99 Percent, have been getting a basic education inferior to what their parents received.

To meet the required budget cuts, schools are forced to cut out arts, music and other non-core courses and after school activities. Bare bones programs leave students uninspired as they sleep walk to graduation, not much wiser than when they started.

In many parts of America, pro-science is regarded as anti-religion, or worse yet, pro-religion is ipso facto considered as antithetical to science. To demand that religious concepts be taught on equal footing with science – as creationists have done in their fight against Darwinian evolutionists – is to leave young minds poorly prepared for a productive adult life in a technology driven world.

Immigrants from China, India and Russia, in particular, come from cultures with a deep respect for learning and science. They have not been in America long enough for the anti-science mentality to alter their values.

1 posted on 01/29/2012 4:15:42 PM PST by lyby
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To: lyby

BS. Have you taught in a public K-12 school? Not only am I a teacher, I am also looked upon to be a parent (I do have that qualification and have proven successful results), a psychologist (NOT qualified), and a nurse (NOT qualified other than Dr. Mommy) to students who come from broken homes or homes with drug-dependent parents - most of whom have nothing but contempt for “education”, instead relying upon the “government” to provide for their most basic needs. I TRY to reach these young people, and I teach/reach to the best of my ability.

I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE TEACHERS’ UNION!

BTW: the school system in which I teach and where my children attend have wonderful arts programs! Of course, those programs are not deemed as “important” as the athletic programs...or the academic programs, as far as that goes...

NO, I DO NOT HAVE A PhD (piled higher and deeper). What I do have is a sense of FREEDOM from government tyranny and a desire to instill in the young people I teach an understanding of what our forefathers meant by “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”.

On another note: I am giving/receiving a MUCH more thorough education than was available in the 1960s-70s.


2 posted on 01/29/2012 4:18:59 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

I would claim that the only possible path to our USA recovery and success begins with a Congress and a President that absolutely puts only the interests of the USA first, and not the wealth of globalists and other nations.

You can’t have company run by those who put other companies first, and you can’t run a country by those who do the same.

We need a major flushing of the toilet in the USA.


3 posted on 01/29/2012 4:25:03 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: lyby

Schools cannot fix what is lacking in the home. It used to be that, when a child entered kindergarten, he had many basic skills down alreadt. He was generally socialized properly, knew his colours, and could count to ten.

Now, many kids, because they don’t interact with their parents, don’t even have those skills. A child entering kimdergarten is often lacking those first five year skill developments and that’s what the schools are starting with. For all intents and purposes, schooling should continue until the kid is 22 just to catch-up.


4 posted on 01/29/2012 4:25:52 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: lyby

There’s manufacturing in the US?


5 posted on 01/29/2012 4:28:00 PM PST by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: lyby

We need to quit pushing every kid towards college and start pushing many of them to Tech schools. The ones that do go to college need to become engineers. I work in the Defense industry. We have a hard time finding people off the street that can do the jobs. Many are filled by former military guys like myself, but there just isn’t enough of us. There is a huge shortage of skilled labor in this country. We have too many kids getting Liberal Arts degrees.


6 posted on 01/29/2012 4:31:10 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: lyby
Hogwash.

Just because one does not have enough “faith” to believe all the hocus-pocus necessary to “understand” the THEORY of evolution does not make people of faith anti science.

Most of my Christian friends marvel at the blessings of modern science. We just do not exclude our Lord and Savior in our appreciation of it.

The problem with most scientific academia is that they believe that science and faith are exclusive of one another.
7 posted on 01/29/2012 4:31:16 PM PST by John 3_19-21 (A lie told over and over again is still just a lie and the one telling it a liar.)
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To: lyby
You can have schools turning-out squadrons of Ph.D's at age twelve, and it doesn't mean squat if the federal government is hostile to business in general. And if you want to shove ten pounds of crap in a five-pound bag, have the government favor some businesses over others via tariffs, subsidies, etc.

There, I said it. Now the True Conservatives(tm) will be after me.

8 posted on 01/29/2012 4:32:29 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: noblejones

Hard to believe, but the US is still the number one country for producing manufactured goods in the world.

A proper tax and economic policy will only make the US even more so.


9 posted on 01/29/2012 4:33:27 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30
Schools cannot fix what is lacking in the home.

At this point the schools are happily destroying what's left. They want nothing more than unquestioning drones and drones aren't really all that useful in a factory setting or anywhere else outside of a picket line or protest rally.
10 posted on 01/29/2012 4:33:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: lyby; metmom; wintertime

Part of the problem is that the teaching methods of American public schools are intentionally random and boring. They actually teach their students to hate learning and they do it by design.

Perhaps the Homeschooling community can find their own solution to this problem. IMHO, homeschoolers are one of the few hopeful signs of our nation’s future.


11 posted on 01/29/2012 4:33:27 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: noblejones

Get out much?


12 posted on 01/29/2012 4:34:57 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cripplecreek

They don’t even want drones. They want bums in seats, that’s all.

They’d do just as well to get, ‘people’ from the local cemetary.


13 posted on 01/29/2012 4:39:07 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: cripplecreek

Did you not read what I wrote that as a teacher, I AM TRYING to instill in our young people not only what I am supposed to teach academically, but also what our forefathers set forth...


14 posted on 01/29/2012 4:42:47 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

The author is ignorant of what is really going on in schools, all most all of it caused by federal and state level interference in what should be under local parental control.

What passes for science education is neither science, nor education. It is indoctrination into the envirowacko religion of Gaia worship.

Not only do arts and music education get cut but core classes in math and reading are shortened and replaced with liberal indoctrination in the latest educational fad du jour in human development, sexuality, bullying, sensitivity training and on and on. All taught by education majors who can’t spell or write or do basic math.

Fact: you can’t control people who can think for themselves. This is why schools focus on indoctrination rather than education.


15 posted on 01/29/2012 4:43:28 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: lyby
Future of U.S. Manufacturing Begins with Education

No it doesn't.

It begins with driving a spike through the heart of the H-1b visa program.

H-1b means Americans have to compete on price with foreigners who are willing to live four to a 2-bedroom apartment.

It also means import tariffs to at least partially equalize the cost of labor between here and China.

I saw a story recently about the Apple/Foxconn factory in China where some change came up, so Foxconn rousted THOUSANDS of workers out of the dorms at midnight, gave them a cup of tea and a biscuit, and set them to work on a 12-hour shift. In that factory $22 PER DAY is considered good money.

"Education" is going to make us competitive with that?

16 posted on 01/29/2012 4:44:08 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: lyby
This is utter crap.

There is no way the U.S. can compete with China when the Chinese are playing to win by playing currency games and not having to meet the same rules that the United States and Europe do.

They have 400 million more people who can be employed at wages that make Foxconn look generous, and they will be ruthless about copying, stealing, and extorting manufacturing technology from whoever, however and whatever they can.

You can babble all you want about "education" and if you go back 50, 70, 100 years you'll read the same thing.

It's not a matter of education. It's a matter of one group playing for keeps with a plan to put everyone else on the mat economically and militarily. And they got the humans to do it.

"Innovate" all you want. You'll end up seeing your own innovations coming back at you for pennies on the dollar within a year if you don't have protection.

Absolute utter CRAP.

17 posted on 01/29/2012 4:46:39 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Jonty30

My last few years as a factory foreman scared the hell out of me. The utter stupidity of the new hires walking in the door was downright terrifying and a good many of them were college students from UofM.

I had mentally handicapped adults who were better able to deal with unexpected problems than the college kids.


18 posted on 01/29/2012 4:49:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DuncanWaring
Thanks. I was writing mine while you posted yours.

Little story: guy once parked his car in my driveway in the Sillycon Valley. Couldn't push it out of the way, was automatic. Looked inside to check registration, was a rental.

Then I noticed a list of addresses on the seat with names like Shi Chi Something, Institute of Reversal Engineering, Somewhere, Peoples Republic of China.

Along with names and addresses of people at places like Intel, AMD, KLA-Tencor, Applied Materials, Watkins-Johnson...you get the drift.

He showed up just as I was calling the tow truck and the police. No Engrish, just jumped in the car and took off - he didn't get the U.S. address system, so he parked in the wrong place when he was visiting our new, freshly immigrated neighbors.

Just an industrial spy surfing around the Santa Clara Valley.

And this was in 1994 or so, when things were just swinging into high gear with the offshoring, especially of semiconductor equipment manufacturers.

Now you know one of the ways they came up to speed so fast.

19 posted on 01/29/2012 4:53:55 PM PST by Regulator
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To: sean327

And Sean237, I, merely a 7th grade teacher of Mathematics, am trying to interest my students in the possibilities!!


20 posted on 01/29/2012 4:54:03 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: Regulator
Found the story.

NY Times

Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhone manufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight.

A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.

“The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.”

"If only we could treat our employees like slaves ... America would be a manufacturing powerhouse again!"
21 posted on 01/29/2012 4:59:45 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Regulator

I agree, this article is a “load of crap”. A relative of mine, who is a PhD, shared this information, and I wanted to get some feedback from SENSIBLE people!!!


22 posted on 01/29/2012 5:00:19 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

Note the web site hosting the article offers a free Michael Moore book in exchange for contributions.


23 posted on 01/29/2012 5:14:02 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks, DuncanWaring, for pointing out a fact I had overlooked, but already “intuited”... Left-wing, liberal bullsh*t.


24 posted on 01/29/2012 5:20:52 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: noblejones
There’s manufacturing in the US?

$4.2 Trillion, and it increases every year. Manufacturing jobs, however, have declined - automation.

25 posted on 01/29/2012 5:26:00 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: DuncanWaring

I agree with your slaves comments...

But if we had the slaves, we can pay then $5 a day and compete with the them [/sarc]

As an aside, I have been doing electronics manufacturing in many parts around the world including the US for almost 17 years. I worked in a factory in the US that made +16,000 cell phones a day and we could switch a line over in less than 8 hours in the US and be at 90% capacity. The Apple executive is either full of BS or ignorant. I think they sell that line to people who know better so that they can maximize their profits without getting hammered. We had a factory in the US that could almost compete with China, but we still had to shut it down, because it cost us about $15-20 per phone more in the US.


26 posted on 01/29/2012 5:26:59 PM PST by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: All

Education does not = owning a manufacturing business.


27 posted on 01/29/2012 5:31:55 PM PST by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: lyby

It is not that hard to fix US manufacturing...

1. Promote trade schools and community colleges. I went to a university and it was right for me. There should no stigma for people wishing to go on a different path. Line supervisors should have training and not just be people that think they have good people skills. The factory technicians should have 2 year degrees in an appropriate trade.
2. Incentivize production. The factories I have worked in that were most productive gave all the people in the factory (not managers) bonuses if they hit the goal and an extra bonus if they passed the goals. The goals were set at the right level so people were motivated. The bonuses might be only $20 a week, but it gave people a sense of accomplishment...plus they get something the managers do not get.
3. Engineers, engineers, engineers. Engineers are needed to trouble shoot problems in the factory. I am an engineer and I will be the first to say that nearly all of them should never supervise people, they should stick with their education and solve problems or create new widgets. The few engineers that aspire to be manger must take management courses...period.
4. Last but not least. No unions. Enough said. They instill under-performance.

There might be more, but this is what I have learned from actually working in factories....note, not one things is required by government.


28 posted on 01/29/2012 5:40:01 PM PST by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: lyby

It speaks very poorly for our education system if third world countries are stealing jobs because of poor education. Our public education system has poor quality teachers and too many poor quality students. You choose who to blame


29 posted on 01/29/2012 5:50:55 PM PST by Figment
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To: DuncanWaring
I saw a story recently about the Apple/Foxconn factory in China where some change came up, so Foxconn rousted THOUSANDS of workers out of the dorms at midnight, gave them a cup of tea and a biscuit, and set them to work on a 12-hour shift. In that factory $22 PER DAY is considered good money.

What has that got to do with H1B? Nothing, actually.

30 posted on 01/29/2012 6:01:20 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: lyby

US workers will lose from three reasons: multinational mentality of corporate CEO’s; fanatical EPA disciples who live in isolated communities with no connection where or how goods and utilities are created; deliberate decision by the Fed Reserve with politician approval to inflate their way out of debt. If workers in America want a fighting chance, eliminate all three because no matter what you do you will never get ahead.
Example lower taxes and regs may keep corporation in the US for a short while because CEO’s will tell the Chinese and Indian workers to lower their wages again before US will reopen the factories in their land. If the Chinese and Indians agree, CEO will demand US workers to lower their wages and gov to eliminate more regs/lower taxes. This cycle will keep going until the gov no longer has any ideas what CEO’s do, corporations will pay no taxes, accountable to no one and American/Chinese/Indian workers will be slaves.
You can have the most educated work force in the US, lower taxes and lesser regs, corporate America will play us against the Chinese and Indians until everyone has very little and corporate CEO’s have everything.


31 posted on 01/29/2012 6:01:39 PM PST by Fee
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To: DuncanWaring

It also means import tariffs to at least partially equalize the cost of labor between here and China.

Raising the price to domestic consumers won’t do a damned thing but make it more costly to the consumer


32 posted on 01/29/2012 6:07:23 PM PST by Figment
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To: lyby
Thanks, DuncanWaring, for pointing out a fact I had overlooked, but already “intuited”

You didn't get that you posted a summary of Obama's SOTU Address?

33 posted on 01/29/2012 6:14:57 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: jrestrepo

because it cost us about $15-20 per phone more in the US.

Because of BS government regulations and taxes, more than wages I’ll bet


34 posted on 01/29/2012 6:15:29 PM PST by Figment
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To: Figment
Raising the price to domestic consumers won’t do a damned thing but make it more costly to the consumer

That is the point. There are DOMESTIC social, security and fiscal costs of letting slaves do our manufacturing. Right now middle class taxes and the Fed monetary policy have been covering up the mess but that will end, sooner rather than later.

35 posted on 01/29/2012 6:17:46 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ALPAPilot
I'm sure you know a great deal about why American manufacturing jobs have declined working as a union pilot in a protected service industry.

Funny how after 30 years of working as an Engineer in aerospace, I haven't met a single airline pilot working in manufacturing. You must be telepathic.

Automation has nothing to do with offshored labor, genius.

Isn't it amazing that 77 years after the Railway Labor Act, guys like yourself are still protected from foreign carriers operating in the United States, and aircraft manufacturers are still prohibited from owning an airline, something engineered by your union back then because "Boeing would have too sweet of a deal"?

It's the reason Bill Boeing left his namesake company.

36 posted on 01/29/2012 6:31:03 PM PST by Regulator
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To: 1rudeboy

well, are you not a pompous one...

***Note the web site hosting the article offers a free Michael Moore book in exchange for contributions.***

That is the comment to which I replied. YES, I realized I had “posted a summary of Obama’s (Obambi) SOTU address!! (D*ckw*d)


37 posted on 01/29/2012 6:36:13 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: 1rudeboy

Now, I realize... To quote YOU:

“No, I do not respect you. You spend far too much time here.”

Perhaps, YOU should spend time elsewhere.


38 posted on 01/29/2012 6:41:27 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby
YES, I realized I had “posted a summary of Obama’s (Obambi) SOTU address

And just to refresh my memory, did you refer to it as "spot on?"

39 posted on 01/29/2012 6:44:13 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Apparently, you cannot read nor comprehend the English language... Back up and attempt to re-read and process my comments regarding the article...


40 posted on 01/29/2012 6:48:02 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: 1rudeboy

Apparently, you cannot read nor comprehend the English language... Back up and attempt to re-read and process my comments regarding the article...


41 posted on 01/29/2012 6:48:15 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

Oh, I’m with you: the article seeks to rejuvenate American manufacturing by advocating that we spend more money on the arts.


42 posted on 01/29/2012 6:51:03 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Then, F**K OFF, #1RUDEBOY.

Unless, of course, you have something of SUBSTANCE to contribute.


43 posted on 01/29/2012 6:51:15 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

Education ancedote of the weekend for me:

20ish cashier at the grocery asked me “what are these?” when I handed her a couple of silver dollars for the purchase.


44 posted on 01/29/2012 6:54:17 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: lyby
You want "SUBSTANCE?" How about this?

To meet the required budget cuts, schools are forced to cut out arts, music and other non-core courses and after school activities. Bare bones programs leave students uninspired as they sleep walk to graduation, not much wiser than when they started. Teachers waved the students through, rather than making sure that the lessons took hold.

Of course, there are pockets of exception. Perhaps 5 percent of Americans can afford to supplement their local school budget and help raise the quality of education for their children, or send their kids to better quality private schools. But that leaves a lot of untrained minds that will be hard pressed to realize their full potential.


45 posted on 01/29/2012 6:55:33 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

WHAT?! You are delusional. I TOTALLY DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE. Another case in point that you must be illiterate or delusional...


46 posted on 01/29/2012 6:56:39 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

Sorry, you threw me at, “Quotes from the spot on article.” How was I supposed to know that you meant the exact opposite?


47 posted on 01/29/2012 6:58:26 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

WOW! Some people are totally out of touch with the real world - at least the public school in which I teach. I strive everyday to motivate my students and encourage them to seek better lives...to study and learn the mathematics (and life skills) that I am trying to teach them... “Whatever we learned yesterday, we must know today because we WILL use it tomorrow.”

What a PITY people, apparently like YOU, have NO CLUE what the life of a teacher is like today...

There is a curriculum I am expected to - and DO - teach and RE-TEACH. However, there are the proverbial “brick walls” that I encounter everyday... not unlike you and your comments.

This is not a perfect world, and I can only pray that I reach SOME ONE... for “Mathematics IS the language with which God has written the universe.” ~ Galileo Galilei

And with this, I bid you au revoir; vaya con dios.


48 posted on 01/29/2012 7:13:52 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: 1rudeboy

IF you had read the next comment and subsequent comments, you would have realized... The first comment was from a cousin who is a PhD and for whom I have little regard politically... I thought his “take” would make for a “spirited” debate... Little did I know... :-)


49 posted on 01/29/2012 7:22:35 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: DuncanWaring
I saw that article, too. What really caught my eye was the statement that labor costs are not the primary factor in the loss of American high-tech manufacturing jobs to Asia. What's really been driving this is that companies like Apple, Dell, HP, etc. can make rapid changes in their supply chains in places like China, Korea and Singapore because: (1) the workforces in those countries are much more flexible, and (2) it doesn't take a long time to get a factory built or re-tooled in those places.
50 posted on 01/29/2012 7:35:15 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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