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Fred Thompson Promotes ‘National Popular Vote’ Initiative In Harrisburg
CBS Philadelphia ^ | October 5th, 2011 | Tony Romeo

Posted on 01/30/2012 8:06:46 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) - The state capitol was the scene of two events promoting distinctly different ways of changing the way Pennsylvania’s presidential electoral votes are awarded.

Actor and former Senator and former Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson is part of a bi-partisan effort to create a compact agreement among states to award all of their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, no matter who wins the state vote for president.

(Excerpt) Read more at philadelphia.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: constitution; electoralcollege; fredthompson; nationalpopularvote; pa2012; pennsylvania; pennsylvaniaelection; popularvote
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We are so screwed if we lose the electoral college.
1 posted on 01/30/2012 8:06:54 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I like Fred, but am not sure why he is supporting this.


2 posted on 01/30/2012 8:09:26 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

And I thought he was intelligent. My mistake. He doesn’t realize that eliminating the Electoral College would allow the most populated states control who will be president.


3 posted on 01/30/2012 8:09:34 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Have Regrets Because At The Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
We are so screwed if we lose the electoral college.

Sadly, we're screwed regardless.

4 posted on 01/30/2012 8:09:44 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

What the hell is Thompson thinking? The result of this would be that future elections would be controlled by liberals and government dependents in the urban mega-plexes.


5 posted on 01/30/2012 8:09:55 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

You’re-exactly-right-bump


6 posted on 01/30/2012 8:10:15 AM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Our forefathers were very wise to create the electoral college and their reasoning still holds up today.


7 posted on 01/30/2012 8:10:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

WTF, Fred? Please, stop!


8 posted on 01/30/2012 8:11:02 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Among the MANY reasons this should not be instituted is the simple fact that there can be no assurance that all states will agree on what the “popular vote” totals will be. Every state will be able to determine for itself what the vote totals in all 50 states are. Or, if the compact says that each state gives must accept the certification of the Secretary of State for each of the 50 states, then there will be an incentive for fraud and chicanery far above whatever is present now where each state (with one or two exceptions) has a “winner take all” contest.

Every state in every election could be like Florida 2000.

I thought Fred Thompson was on our side!

9 posted on 01/30/2012 8:14:38 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Baynative

It would be very difficult to truly verify the national popular vote totals.

Consider the 2000 election, for example. On election night 2000, Bush was ahead in the national popular vote by about 300,000 votes. The next afternoon, as vote counting continued, the media announced that Al Gore was actually ahead in the popular vote, by about 500,000 votes. How did that happen.

(all of this ignores the Florida electoral vote recount. But the point is, under a national popular vote, the Florida recount wouldn’t have happened that way. There would have had to be a national recount instead.)

In 2000, did the Democrats pad the vote totals for Al Gore, to get him to be ahead in the mythical national popular vote, so they could claim some legitimacy as they pursued the Florida recount? It’s something to think about.


10 posted on 01/30/2012 8:15:26 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Sheesh Fred.. do a little more reading/learning and a little less talking. This is basic stuff for heavens sake. You’re acting like a tool.


11 posted on 01/30/2012 8:16:22 AM PST by Track9 (The revolution IS brewing..)
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To: SkyDancer

A small number of the major cities could elect a President.


12 posted on 01/30/2012 8:16:28 AM PST by PORD (People Of Right & Duty!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Absolutely stupid idea! Way to “reach across the aisle”, Fred.


13 posted on 01/30/2012 8:18:14 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

A “compact agreement among the states” is called a Constitutional amendment.


14 posted on 01/30/2012 8:18:54 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

He’s been pimping this crap for at least a year.

Here in Michigan the guy I supported for RNC chairman (Saul Anuzis) is also pushing it.

We got progs inside the wire.


15 posted on 01/30/2012 8:19:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Screw fred... he is nothing but a dumb assed actor like looney clooney.

LLS


16 posted on 01/30/2012 8:22:44 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Recession: You have no job* Depression: I have no job* Recovery: obama has no job!)
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To: cripplecreek

Had them inside the wire for the past 100 years...Just now people are beginning to figure it out.


17 posted on 01/30/2012 8:24:02 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Shame.

I was supportive of Fred at one time.

Amazing how people can be so wrong-headed.


18 posted on 01/30/2012 8:24:13 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Actor and former Senator and former Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson is part of a bi-partisan effort to create a compact agreement among states to award all of their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, no matter who wins the state vote for president.

This is a "feel good" idea that has no utility or merit. Hillary Clinton and many other Democrats would like to switch to a popular vote. But ignoring the intent of our Founding Fathers is folly because they want to safeguard our Constitutional Republic, not undermine of dispose of it.

19 posted on 01/30/2012 8:24:46 AM PST by olezip
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To: PORD

Exactly. It’s fun trying to explain to Aussies how our voting system works.


20 posted on 01/30/2012 8:25:42 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Have Regrets Because At The Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This is the death of the republic.

It would be an abomination for the results of one state’s vote to decide the selection of another state’s elected representatives—and make no mistake—Presidential Electors are elected representatives. It would be no different from a state implementing a law which said a state’s governor would be determined by which party won the majority of governorships that year.

Allocating Electors based on some method which proportional to the state’s votes, such as Maine’s and Nebraska’s Congressional District system remains true to the concept of the Electoral College, but solves many of the limitations, while still creating a clear and defendable winner. Other proportional systems such as the 2004 Colorado proposal have challenges.


21 posted on 01/30/2012 8:26:05 AM PST by magellan
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Speaking of enemies inside the wire, I watched Red Dawn last night.

It was an interesting story they told about how the invasion was facilitated by illegals.


22 posted on 01/30/2012 8:27:38 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
That's democracy!
When did schools quit teaching that democracy is the most dispicable for of government ever devised?
23 posted on 01/30/2012 8:28:32 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I live in Washington State where it is accepted practice for democrats to magically find boxes full of ballots for weeks after an election that they have not won. Eliminating the electoral college would guarantee their control on a national scale. Thompson should call his idea the ACORN amendment.


24 posted on 01/30/2012 8:29:02 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If the popular vote initiative was ever instituted, states like VT, NH, NM, NV, AZ, MT, ND, SD, etc., would NEVER see a presidential candidate.

We would see NYC, LA, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc., electing the president.

Fly-over country would be completely ignored.

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Thank goodness the Thompson bandwagon crashed in 2008.

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Where do most liberals live?

NYC, LA, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc.

Co-inky-dink?


25 posted on 01/30/2012 8:30:07 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: SkyDancer
"He doesn’t realize that eliminating the Electoral College would allow the most populated states big cities with sophisticated vote fraud mechanisms control who will be president."

Fixed.

The original point of the electoral college system was the idea that it was better to have a president who was moderately liked all over the country, to a president whose support was intense but limited to just a few locations.

26 posted on 01/30/2012 8:30:46 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: SkyDancer
And I thought he was intelligent. My mistake. He doesn’t realize that eliminating the Electoral College would allow the most populated states control who will be president.

You mean:

And I thought he was intelligent. My mistake. He doesn’t realize that eliminating the Electoral College would allow the states with most inner city vote fraud to control who will be president.

27 posted on 01/30/2012 8:30:57 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: LibLieSlayer

In rural Indiana, we have a saying for what Fred can do to himself (and the horse he rode in on).


28 posted on 01/30/2012 8:33:35 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“so screwed if we lose the Electoral College”..You are absolutely 100% correct! This would mean the “Left Coast” and the Urban centers of the East would control the presidential elections. Somebody must be paying Thompson for his support on this.


29 posted on 01/30/2012 8:33:58 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Fred Thompson now wants to disenfranchise the small states? WTF?

ONLY someone with no appreciation for our history would want mob rule....which is what a popular vote only national election would be!

I really am concerned, folks, that we are forgetting about the 10th amendment and states rights in our urge to blast “tyranny”.


30 posted on 01/30/2012 8:34:21 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: cripplecreek
Oldie but a goodie...I thought someone was going to do a remake?

The enemy has been well entrenched since Teddy Roosevelt. What you are seeing today is their reaction to being rejected.....just look at the temper tantrum known as bloody Thursday. If there was any doubt before it's long gone now.

31 posted on 01/30/2012 8:35:10 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Soros is also pushing this --past article written by his son

(wsj Dec 2008)

It's Time to Junk the Electoral College We don't need an amendment to do it. -Jonathan Soros

32 posted on 01/30/2012 8:37:38 AM PST by opentalk
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To: rightwingextremist1776

The fate of the Free World would be determined by Yankees and Lakers fans.


33 posted on 01/30/2012 8:39:25 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Two problems (among others) Fred:

1. The electoral college confines the damage of fraud to a local area. For instance, if unions are packing the ballot boxes in Chicago, the most damage they can do is to the Illinois electoral vote. But under this plan, if they can control Chicago ballot boxes, they can control the nation.

2. This is just a precursor to a federal voting rights standard. Right now, your state can check voter IDs or ban violent felons from voting, etc. If this electoral college override scheme is implemented, you can bet the ACLU will quickly file suit to require “uniform national” voting laws.

One more blow to the federal republic.


34 posted on 01/30/2012 8:40:40 AM PST by PressurePoint
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
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35 posted on 01/30/2012 8:40:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Used to like and respect Fred, but not any more. He's an idiot to promote this. It would be the demise of our nation's system if we moved even further down the fool's path of "democratization."

We need to be moving in the other direction by overturning the 17th Amendment.
36 posted on 01/30/2012 8:43:48 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This is the progressive response to the 2000 election.

Every time they don’t like the results, they try to change the rules. They’re constantly tinkering with the system to get the results they want.

Trust me, the first time this “National Popular Vote” scheme fails to elect a Democrat, you can bet the progs will be in court complaining that it “isn’t fair” and needs to be “modified” by a court ruling.


37 posted on 01/30/2012 8:51:00 AM PST by PressurePoint
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To: RockinRight

I like Fred too, but this makes me glad that he didn’t make it out of the Republican Primaries.


38 posted on 01/30/2012 8:53:35 AM PST by wbill
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Okay, kids. One more time. We need a second party!


39 posted on 01/30/2012 8:53:54 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a second party.)
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To: cripplecreek

What amazes me with that map is the number of states with small populations that are FOR it.

Do that not realize that they are basically giving away any influence they have in national elections?


40 posted on 01/30/2012 8:55:04 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: cvq3842
Wellllll....

IMHO, this is a terrible idea. That being said, the states can choose to apportion their delegates in whatever manner they choose.

Still and all, going by popular vote is incredibly stupid.

41 posted on 01/30/2012 8:56:52 AM PST by wbill
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To: TomGuy

They aren’t giving away their influence, they’re combining it.

When I read the bill they were pushing here in Michigan a few years back, I saw the loophole they left to opt out. (If it looked like the GOP was winning, they could opt out and make a tougher race)


42 posted on 01/30/2012 8:58:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The electoral college,like the Senate, is a tool to ensure the small states and rural populations are not dictated to by the big cities.

Pure democracy is simply mob rule.


43 posted on 01/30/2012 9:01:50 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Fred, the man who slumped with his face in his hands during impeachment discussions, not sure he wasn’t crying, was paid a long time ago. The payments started the day he was sworn in.

They’re all bought and paid for. They’re all corrupt. McCain, whom I despise, said it on the senate floor. McConnell, whom I despise, asked McCain to name who he thought was corrupt. McCain folded. But he was right. They’re all corrupt. They’re no difference than rich Hollywooders wanting all of us to pay higher taxes so they can feel good.

That’s why they make their own rules. Does a law really have to be passed to prevent insider trading by congress? If so, that means a law was passed that allowed it to begin with. And a president signed it.

Or do they simply say “We’re congress. We do whatever we want.” If that’s the case, they should all be prosecuted.


44 posted on 01/30/2012 9:03:54 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a second party.)
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To: cripplecreek; TomGuy
If it looked like the GOP was winning

Nailed it in one.

This idea, in one form or another, has been floating around for a good while. The drumbeat for it gets louder when Dems look like they're going to lose, or have already lost (think Bush-Gore 2000, or during Reagan).

It quiets down when Dems are doing well. Think back to 2008, or during the Clinton Years.

I'm disappointed in Fred, but would love to hear his reasoning.

45 posted on 01/30/2012 9:04:06 AM PST by wbill
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Fred, WTF are you thinking????????????????????


46 posted on 01/30/2012 9:10:07 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This makes no sense what so ever.
Has Fred started new meds?


47 posted on 01/30/2012 9:12:12 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

That is pure insanity


48 posted on 01/30/2012 9:19:50 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Let me get my fire retardant suit on a second....,

While I do not support the “compact” I would favor a constitutional amendment to make the Presidential vote a popular vote. I understand that this works somewhat against the concept of a republic of sovereign states, but the fact is the Electoral College is already a corpse, having no actual decision-making ability. All we have left is a messy useless vestigial curiosity that encourages our sadly uneducated population could be a big monkey wrench.

The current system invites voter fraud, because we invariably have multiple states that are extremely close where a few thousand stolen votes can flip an election. It's a constitutional crisis waiting to happen.

I would like one other constitutional reform:

A two-round election in which the top two finishers in the first round face off in a second round, to diminish the possibility of the third party screwing up the works and giving us a President who is opposed by a strong majority of the voters (under the current system, it's mathematically possible in a 3-way contest to win the popular vote for the presidency by 34% of the vote, and to win the electoral college with as little as 17% of the popular vote (in a 3-way race).

49 posted on 01/30/2012 9:20:11 AM PST by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Story from last june.

Fred Thompson to appear in Richmond on behalf of National Popular Vote initiative

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/fred-thompson-to-appear-in-richmond-on-behalf-of-national-popular-vote/2011/07/11/gIQAsxw58H_blog.html

Video from last May

Fred Thompson endorses National Popular Vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbAD6XI2BxE&feature=player_embedded


50 posted on 01/30/2012 9:26:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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