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Posted on 01/30/2012 3:24:20 PM PST by tobyhill
During church services on Sunday, Catholics around the country were read a blistering letter assailing the Obama administration for an "assault on religious liberty" in the form of a coming requirement that most church-linked organizations - among them hospitals, schools and universities - offer birth control coverage as part of their health care plans.
Despite strong lobbying from religious groups, the Health and Human Services Department announced earlier this month that most church-linked groups will not be exempt from the requirements - which also mandate that no co-pay be charged for contraceptive services - though they will have an extra year to comply beyond the August 1 deadline. Churches themselves (along with any other employer that is explicitly focused on offering a religious message, and which primarily employs those who believe in that message) are exempt from the requirement.
Religious groups were outraged by the decision - saying it forced employers at church-linked organizations to violate their conscience - and on Sunday Catholic leaders took their complaints directly to parishioners. As Business Insider reported, similar letters were read in churches around the country complaining that "the Obama Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty."
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
But here is the bottom line. How many of these Catholics will vote once again for Barack Hussein Obama in 2012? True conviction would preclude any good Catholic from voting for this guy.
Obama was so arrogant that he didn’t get the age old message - Never, ever piss off the Pope.
Catholic leaders have been really dumb. They are trying to close the bard door, long after the horse has galloped away.
Yeah stuff I hear on the Borgia mini series on Showtime that Pope family almost Kill French King LOL!
Yeah stuff I hear on the Borgia mini series on Showtime that Pope family almost Kill French King LOL!
The Federal Government is just continuing its program of actively undermining the Bill of Rights.
Overheard at the White House: "How many divisions does the Pope have?"
Better late than never.
If you haven’t, check out the filthy comments that follow the column.
A not inconsiderable percentage of our countrymen would, if they could get away with it, happily send you, me, every freeper and every person of faith off to the labor camps.
What is your first language?
And 6 of 9 on the US Supreme Court which just handed Obama his as$ on a 9-0 ruling protecting First Amendment Rights for religious employers.
NOW their panties are in a bunch? After countless abortion supporting politicians sat in their pews and the church did essentially nothing!??
Wasn’t at our Mass on Sunday!!!! Wish it were!!
You know, it's NOT an "assault on religious liberty," it's an assault on the sanctity of life itself. Calling it merely a religious issue marginalizes it.
This is what happens when we do NOT have a constitutional government. It does what ever it wants and tells you to OBEY.
Then you obey or go to jail.
Be ready for more of the same if we do NOT fix the damage done by the Democrats the GOP-E and Obama. All of them are enemies of freedom.
about time
True, but it’s going to be much more painful now. Plus, they already taught many Catholic that loyalty to the Democrats is more important than loyalty to the Church.
First the bankers, then Wall Street, then the fictional 1%, now Catholics... gee sort of sounds familiar?
Make no mistake about it. If you are a Christian, they are coming for you too.
The stage is indeed set for the ‘great falling away.’ As the persecution, and that is what this is, as the persecution escalates...those social justice churches will fall away.
Remember Revelations tells us there really wasn’t a single Holy Church that did not have some item against it.
To fellow FReepers who want to point, snicker, etc. at the Catholic Church at least they have taken a final stand...
We used to toss a phrase around here. It went something like this, “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll fight to the death your right to say it.”
The Catholic Church defends religious liberty, including freedom of conscience, for everyone. The Amish do not carry health insurance. The government respects their principles. Christian Scientists want to heal by prayer alone, and the new health-care reform law respects that. Quakers and others object to killing even in wartime, and the government respects that principle for conscientious objectors. By its decision, the Obama administration has failed to show the same respect for the consciences of Catholics and others who object to treating pregnancy as a disease.
This latest erosion of our first freedom should make all Americans pause. When the government tampers with a freedom so fundamental to the life of our nation, one shudders to think what lies ahead.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/social_justice/sj0257.htm
How’d that “historic” vote work out for ‘em, then?
Its not like he flip flopped on abortion or something. He is on the record as being for partial birth abortion. Last time I checked that was a big deal for some Catholics.
And trust me, I have huge respect for Catholicism. But the fact that so many of them (and Jews) voted for a Marxist just amazed me.
“Historic”, all right.
And our Catholic governor in Maryland is pushing gay marriage.
Will vote? How many voted for this guy in '08 even though he was well known to be one of the most, if not the most, proabortion senator in US history?
My understanding is he carried a majority of the Catholic vote in the last election. Moreover in the past the Bishops stupidly supported just about every government intrusion into the medical field including Obamacare. Now they witness the fruits of their labors and are issuing pastorals decrying the outcome.
Too late, too late. The Catholic Church has already ceded to the goverment the right to regulate health realted issues.
I disagree.
We must, often, fight on the turf of the enemy, and use terms that the enemy uses, if we wish to win.
Making liberals uncomfortable with themselves is important, in all of our battles.
Religious Liberty is much easier to define than any “privacy right” or right to contraception.
Not everyone agrees with the Church, on birth control. In fact, a large number of Catholics disagree.
However, on a broadly defined “Religious Liberty” argument, we win, hands down, on this issue.
As is the "Catholic" governor of my state, Washington. It's expected to pass here, too, because of the Liberalism of what we call the West Side (of the Cascades), Seattle, Olympia, and such.
After the letter was read at our mass yesterday the priest was greeted with thunderous applause.
You make an excellent point.
The problem is that all the churches are to nice. Stop being nice, start being good. Confront the sinner. In private first, then with a few elders of the church, then the whole church.
The big problem is most pastor/priests won't even do the first part. To much donation money at risk.
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This website is antic Catholic and anti any religion other than WASP. Santorum is the only conservative in this race and freepers won’t acknowledge him. O will get another 4 years because you wish to elect a person who is the ultimate cynical political insider and make his home wrecker wife of a home wrecker wife first lady. Newt is only liked by freepers because he is not a Mormon and not Catholic. You deserve Newt.
Errrrrrrrrr!!! Thanks for playing but Newt converted to Catholicism a while back.
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For the record, both Newt and Rick Santorum, whom I admire and will support either, are of the Catholic faith. Get your facts straight before posting idiotic information on this site. I never was, and never will be, anti-catholic.
Notice how CBS makes it appear that the Church is just objecting to birth control and ignores the fact that HHS is also mandating “morning after” pill coverage which the Church considers abortion if conception has taken place—you have to read all the way down to the letter from the bishop to learn that part of it.
If the GOP wibs the Catholic vote, it will only be by a few points. A pathologically unreliable constituency for Republicans.
Has Obama Lost the Catholic Left?
Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent
“Plus, they already taught many Catholic that loyalty to the Democrats is more important than loyalty to the Church.”
Not exactly.
One of Satan’s attacks on the Church was to sell the notion that leftism is compatible with the Bible; that Catholic “social justice” is the same as leftard “social justice.”
A leftist is a leftist before all else. A leftist who mistakenly thinks herself a Catholic will indeed put communism before the Church.
A Catholic won’t.
Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church (Some idiots wanted "change" so they got it)
Has Obama Lost the Catholic Left?
Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent
If Lord Baltimore had known how Maryland was going to turn out, he would have given it back to the indians.
I am a Catholic and I would prefer Santorum. Nonetheless, Santorum does not seem to be getting any serious traction. We cannot keep dividing conservative votes while Romney wins delegates and delegations by mere pluralities. The first job this year is defeating Romney. THEN and only then do we defeat Obozo. There is no point in electing Romney to defeat Obozo. We won't get a chance to elect Santorum over Obozo if he cannot be nominated. If I had to vote today, I would vote for Gingrich. If Santorum has a legitimate shot in Illinois by primary day in March, I'll vote for him. It is my hope that Santorum will make that unnecessary by following Perry's and Cain's example.
This is not an ideal situation but it is what it is.
Now, most importantly, this website is most certainly NOT anti-Catholic. JimRob is apparently an Evangelical Christian. His patience with intramural Catholic squabbling here has been truly legendary. His moderators enforce a reasonable degree of civility on everyone, Catholic and non-Catholic alike and do not take sides. I don't agree with every decision but neither does anyone else. When the heat of combat has faded, most of us conclude that the decisions are fair if not perfect.
Newt's marital track record is obviously one that leaves much to be desired. I won't let it cause Romney's nomination and the resultant demise of the GOP and of our nation.
BTW, in this context, the use of the term WASP is not one that I would welcome. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. I suspect that few folks here object to white and that you don't either. Anglo-Saxon. I am 1/4 English and have a Saxon surname. My paternal grandfather arrived here in the US as an Anglican. Was that a crime? He converted to Catholicism more than one hundred years ago. Is that a problem? I suspect not. My other grandfather arrived here as a Scots-Irish Presbyterian Protestant. Was that a crime? He also converted to Catholicism more than one hundred years ago. Was that a problem?
We have enough challenges facing all of us as conservatives in this movement and in this society without trying to re-fight the Thirty Years War (which, incidentally, we lost and should get over it). I identify as Irish Catholic more than any other ancestry because my Irish Catholic grandmother was also one of my closest pals when I was a kid and was my only living grandparent. Does that mean that I must dislike Protestants for being Protestants? Puhleeze. Many fine FReepers are Protestants. Some fine FReepers are Mormons. Still other fine FReepers are Jews and some fine FReepers have no faith at all but are conservative nonetheless.
I am not happy with some who feel that any time Catholicism is mentioned it is somehow mandatory to make snarky remarks. But that gun fires both ways and I am also not happy with some fellow Catholics who feel compelled to insult Protestants at every opportunity. We aren't winning our political battles without Protestants and they aren't winning their political battles without us.
Also, there is very little anti-Mormonism around here. If Catholics and Protestants voted as regularly conservative as Mormons, the war would be won already. I have no use for Romney because he is a hopeless elitist liberal not because he is Mormon. If he were a better Mormon, he would be a better and more acceptable candidate. Pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality and gun grabber and tax hiker does not translate to Mormon by the standards of any Mormon I have ever known. If some Mormons vote for Romney as some Catholics voted for JFK, that would be the same sort of shame but understandable.
If the status remains quo, I will vote for Gingrich because he is not Romney and religion has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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