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Royal Navy to send HMS Dauntless to Falkland Islands
Telegraph ^ | 31 Jan 2012 | Thomas Harding

Posted on 01/31/2012 8:12:40 AM PST by george76

The Royal Navy’s most sophisticated warship is being sent to the South Atlantic in a move that will send a powerful message to Argentina.

Dauntless will set sail for the Falkland Islands in the coming weeks armed with a battery of missiles that could "take out all of South America's fighter aircraft let alone Argentina's," ...

The Type 45 destroyer is the most advanced anti-aircraft and anti-ballistic ship in the world equipped with 48 Sea Viper missiles and the Sampson radar, which is more advanced than Heathrow air traffic control

The ship is in a league of its own in air defence able to track dozens of multiple targets

"It can shoot down Argentine fighters as soon as they take off from they bases," said another Navy source. "This will give Buenos Aires serious pause for thought."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: argentina; falklandislands; hmsdauntless; navy; royalnavy

1 posted on 01/31/2012 8:12:44 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Another term of the Cretin-in-Chief and our navy will have to rent it from the Brits.

How anyone in the military can salute that sorry piece of bottom-dwelling pond scum is beyond me.


2 posted on 01/31/2012 8:19:51 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: george76

Why, ohhhh why, cain’t Argentina leave this island group alone??? They have enough problems without tangling with the Brits again...

All they got there are sheep and mossy rocks...Geesh...

“Faukland Islands...Where the men are men, and the sheep are nervous!!!” ;-)


3 posted on 01/31/2012 8:20:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: george76
In the long absence of the Iron Lady, are the Argentines again spoiling for a fight over the “Malvinas.”
4 posted on 01/31/2012 8:29:33 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: george76

Can we all agree the UK has the coolest names for their battleships?


5 posted on 01/31/2012 8:29:46 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: george76
Is this like those "this day in WWII" postings?

I'm getting Deja Vu all over again...
6 posted on 01/31/2012 8:31:17 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: stevie_d_64

them aint sheep, them’s English war brides leftover from the last invasion, soon to be repatriated

Gawd Save the Queen!


7 posted on 01/31/2012 8:35:38 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: george76

Saw “The Iron Lady” yesterday. History does indeed repeat itself.


8 posted on 01/31/2012 8:36:11 AM PST by codder too
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To: Da Coyote

I think that your options are salute or head to Leavenworth.

Besides, when I was in, you had to salute so many a-holes every day that one more wouldn’t make any difference.


9 posted on 01/31/2012 8:37:03 AM PST by benewton
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To: george76
"take out all of South America's fighter aircraft let alone Argentina's"

Ok, that is pretty cool.

This makes me feel somewhat more confident about the security of the Falklands. Dauntless will be covered by at least one Astute-class as well.

Could do with more boots on the ground though.

Another important item would be a US President who didn't embolden Argentina with his anti-UK stance. If Newt won the nomination I bet it would lower tensions in the South Atlantic.

10 posted on 01/31/2012 8:43:34 AM PST by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Mad Dawg

If it weren’t for our British friends most of our WW2 aircraft wouldn’t have had “cool names”. I think many of the fighters & light bombers that were used in common with the USAAF were actually named by the RAF. “Mustang”, “Boston”, “Havoc”, “Tomahawk” all jump to mind.


11 posted on 01/31/2012 8:43:56 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: george76
The Type 45 destroyer is the most advanced anti-aircraft and anti-ballistic ship in the world equipped with 48 Sea Viper missiles and the Sampson radar, which is more advanced than Heathrow air traffic control

Am I missing something or are there only 48 planes in all of South America?

12 posted on 01/31/2012 8:47:17 AM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I always thought “HMS Dreadnaught” was a good name.


13 posted on 01/31/2012 8:53:15 AM PST by yarddog
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To: stevie_d_64

“All they got there are sheep and mossy rocks...Geesh...”

Actually that has changed with the discovery of petroleum reserves that have been discovered.

Oil Grab in Falkland Islands Seen Tripling U.K. Reserves: Energy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/britain-s-oil-grab-in-falkland-islands-seen-tripling-u-k-reserves-energy.html

Falkland Islands oil drilling begins
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/22/falkland-islands-oil-drilling-begins


14 posted on 01/31/2012 8:55:13 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: george76

From a Navy that one hundred years ago had a steel wall of battleships and battle cruisers and supporting vessels protecting its country’s shores.


15 posted on 01/31/2012 8:55:50 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: benewton

I remember taking the oath looking at a picture of POTUS Nixon....I think we audibly skipped that part.


16 posted on 01/31/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Oil and to distract the population from their domestic malfeasance.


17 posted on 01/31/2012 9:01:09 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: george76

Their Shipyards do a heck of a job at transformation!


18 posted on 01/31/2012 9:04:24 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: agere_contra
Four Typhoon fighters and a refueling aircraft are stationed on the Falklands.

They can try to invade by air or sea. Troop transport aircraft would be sitting ducks for AA missiles and the Typhoons. It would be a slaughter, absolute suicide. I don't think the Argentine Navy would chance an invasion if it even suspected there was a nuclear sub lurking in the area. They remember the Belgrano.

19 posted on 01/31/2012 9:06:40 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: george76
The Royal Navy’s most sophisticated warship is being sent to the South Atlantic

It had better be as advertised if things get hot. Kipling's "Odds are on the cheaper man" apply here. In the last war the Argies paired up Neptunes with Super Etendards armed with Exocet anti-ship missiles. The Neptune vectored the aircraft in, with the Etendards skimming below radar and occasionally popping up like a periscope for a bearing. The radar guys on the target, HMS Sheffield, wrote off the on again off again blips as just noise.

When the aircraft got within range, the let fly the Exocets and hit the unsuspecting ship which, because of her aluminum hull and deck, burned like a torch for six days before finally sinking. The Brits also lost HMS Ardent, HMS Antelope, MV Atlantic Conveyor and HMS Coventry. HMS Argonaut and HMS Brilliant were badly damaged. These ships were frigates and destroyers and one transport. A pretty good score for Third Worlders.

At the time there was a great hue and cry about our large carrier and battle group concept. The proponents pointed out that the Brits, who went small, suffered from being unable to project enough air power and couldn't protect these ships.

Let's hope this crap doesn't flare up again and more men die uselessly.

20 posted on 01/31/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; All

Oil...Such a three letter word!!!

It will be the death of us all...

HMS Dauntless, Now that’s a ship that has some great lines...

Always liked working with the British Navy...We’d cross over and work with the crews, and some of their folks would come aboard our ship for short stints when I was in the fleet...

Y’all need to build more of these type 45’s!!! Need to read up on this design...


21 posted on 01/31/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: silverleaf
them aint sheep, them’s English war brides leftover from the last invasion, soon to be repatriation....Gawd Save the Queen!
LOL!.....British muslims! :-)

22 posted on 01/31/2012 9:07:58 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (kill the terrorists, protect all the borders, laugh @ the liberals :^)
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To: wxgesr
aking the oath looking at a picture of POTUS Nixon....

In almost any category--as bad as he was--Nixon was an angel compared to the current Commander in Chief.

In point of fact, Nixon was FAR less corrupt than either Johnson or Kennedy...the '60s radicals just crested at that time, and brought him down to show off their power.

Nixon wasn't even a conservative...and he expanded the government and messed up the economy as much as any Democrat.

The liberal Democrats most virulent spite though, I believe, is reserved for Moderate Republicans... (as they appear to be gutless liberals)(hello Mitt Romney!).

They are now THE Establishment--in Academia, Media, and politically...keeping Obama in place.

23 posted on 01/31/2012 9:12:30 AM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: All
As a result of efforts to achieve economies of scale, the PAAMS command system shares a common architecture with that of the Type 45 destroyer. Consequently, the PAAMS uses the same Windows 2000 based command consoles as the Type 45. This extends the use of Windows for Warships outside the Royal Navy to the French and Italian navies as well.

On 28 January 2009, the PAAMS was given its official designation of Sea Viper by the Royal Navy.


Hey, no problems, the Sea Viper missiles are Windows based...:^)

24 posted on 01/31/2012 9:14:36 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Oatka

We (US Navy) learned a lot from this conflict...

Damage control, from what I recall, was a specialty rating in the British Navy...Whereas the US Navy was trying to get “everyone” up to speed on the concept...

This battle increased the pace, and every new recruit began a regimen of classroom study (film and lessons learned from the Fauklands War) and practical damage control simulators that included flooding, fire, rescue, de-watering drills etc etc etc...

Refresher training for those of us out in the fleet was a regular part of our training, no one was above it...

I believe everyone benefitted from it, as apparent in the damage done and saving of the ships USS Stark, USS Roberts, Iwo Jima, etc etc etc...

BTW, I lost two close friends on the Stark...That was not a banner day for us...But that is another story for another day...


25 posted on 01/31/2012 9:19:53 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

and Oil. The Falklands recently has been the site of oil exploration and estimates run into the 8 plus billion barrels.


26 posted on 01/31/2012 9:32:04 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: AnalogReigns

I was surprised the Argentinians did as well as they did. The one area in which they fouled up imo was to use green recruits for the fighting. Even those new trainees didn’t completely just fold but they could not compete with the British professionals.


27 posted on 01/31/2012 9:45:52 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

“I always thought “HMS Dreadnaught” was a good name.”

HMS Thunderchild is cool, too. (obscure War of the Worlds reference) :)


28 posted on 01/31/2012 9:57:29 AM PST by Levante
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To: Mad Dawg

It is a great name. I guess I could look it up, but I seem to recall that some famous sailing ship from Britain was also named “Dauntless”.


29 posted on 01/31/2012 9:58:27 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: stevie_d_64

The big thing I remember from the Falklands was the adoption of RN style flash gear.


30 posted on 01/31/2012 10:04:14 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: AnalogReigns

I agree, Nixon was a saint compared to the last few dems we have had. But, at the time, he was the nightly news bad guy and that is all we had.


31 posted on 01/31/2012 10:06:19 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: AnalogReigns

I’m fron Texas and I’ll tell you right now that there aren’t many snakes as crooked as LBJ was. That man could have taught the devil a few tricks. Crooked doesn’t come close to describing him.

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32 posted on 01/31/2012 10:07:27 AM PST by flatfish
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To: stevie_d_64

O-I-L


33 posted on 01/31/2012 10:07:32 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Actually, I think the Falklands have oil...

Also the reason they can’t leave the Falklands alone is the fact that they HAVE problems at home and need something to distract the people...


34 posted on 01/31/2012 10:12:56 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Fortunately, the Argentinian air force was never really rebuilt. It’s fighters are 8 Mirage III and 14 upgraded IAI Nesher/Finger and the bombers are 7 Mirage 5 and 34 A4 skyhawks.


35 posted on 01/31/2012 10:41:04 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: george76

I was working as a contractor in Argentina when the last dustup over the Falklands occurred in the 80s.

At the time, Argentina’s economy was crap and el presidente at the time needed a distraction. He tried to start something with Chile over the southern border, but they wouldn’t bite. So, he turned to a minor, non-incident in the Falklands as the reason to go to war over the Falklands.

A little background: At the time, the Brits had been in control of the Falklands for about 150 years. And, before engaging the Argentines, the Brits asked the Falkland Islanders if they wanted to be British or Argentine. They all said British.

So, they went to war. While Argentina got in a lucky shot with an Exocet missile, ultimately, Britain sent them packing with their tail between their legs.

Unfortunately for the Argentines, the government kept lying to them about the progress of the war right up to the point they were defeated. And, the defeat stunned the people.

So, I’m surprised that they are gearing up for round 2. Although Britain has had control of the Falklands for nearly 200 years, now, the Argentines still try to claim them and refuse to give up and accept that they lost the islnds a long time ago.

Someday, reality will set in in Buenos Aires. But, apparently, not today!


36 posted on 01/31/2012 10:42:25 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: george76

Just last night we watched a special on the QE 2’s last voyage and her history. She was used to transport troops to the Falklands during the war there and had to be retrofitted (?) with reinforced decks for helicopter landing areas (2). It arrived in 16 days. Quite a fascinating program. So it’s especially interesting to see this thread.


37 posted on 01/31/2012 11:00:01 AM PST by GoldwaterChick
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To: stevie_d_64
Obama's fault.
38 posted on 01/31/2012 11:02:10 AM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: wxgesr

I just held my right hand up.

Good practice, since I had to keep my mouth closed for three long years...


39 posted on 01/31/2012 1:15:31 PM PST by benewton
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