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In the Wake of the Florida Fiasco, Time to Consider Bella Santorum's Dad, Rick
Catholic Online ^ | 2/1/12 | Keith A Fournier

Posted on 01/31/2012 5:59:50 PM PST by tcg

...While Mitt Romney "carpet-bombed" Newt Gingrich with merciless attacks; while Newt Gingrich succumbed to the temptation to respond with similar efforts, one candidate demonstrated the singularly most important trait we need in a President, character. His name is Rick Santorum, Bella's Dad.

There was a book of essays on Presidential leadership written in 1996 entitled "Character Above All" The book contained an excellent essay by Peggy Noonan on Ronald Reagan...

"In a president, character is everything..."

People like me, "former" Democrats, were inspired by the courage, character and manner of Ronald Reagan. His was the kind of "conservatism" which made sense to people like us - who never thought we were "conservatives". ...

We were not then - and are not now - comfortable with the "Nelson Rockefeller" blue blood image of the old Republican Party. Sadly, the image seems to be at work again in the coronation effort of the Republican establishment in Florida. ...

Sadly, this Republican primary has degenerated into a brawl. It just seems to get worse - at least between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. Many people like me who are following this campaign are eager to replace the current occupant of the Whitehouse for many vital reasons. However, we do not want the "establishment" candidate for many reasons...

While "Mitt" and "Newt" were wresting in the mud (and I favored Newt in that match) Presidential candidate Rick Santorum stayed out of the fray. In fact, he went home to care for his beautiful daughter Bella. She had been hospitalized and was in a critical condition.

The very act of his leaving the campaign - while the pundit class was interpreting his exit as a sign of his demise - reveals the character of this good man...

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fiasco; fl2012; gingrich; paul; romney; santorum
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To: Mountain Mary
Why would he put politics over his daughter’s/family’s needs? I sure wouldn’t.

Then you just aren't aware of what truly is at stake in this race.

51 posted on 01/31/2012 6:58:09 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Jonty30
there will be a lot of Conservatives who will not vote for him because of it, no matter where he runs.

Yep those solid conservatives will step in that booth and vote straight ticket democrat.

52 posted on 01/31/2012 7:00:14 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: itsahoot

Maybe they’ll just stay home, as they often do, when they feel they’be been betrayed.


53 posted on 01/31/2012 7:02:35 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: svcw
When the primary gets to California I will vote for Gingrich.

They may not even have enough money to finance a Primary by the time it gets to you. Broke in March says the Comptroller.

54 posted on 01/31/2012 7:06:08 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Jonty30
My criticism is the same with Ron Paul, but Ron Paul is running for Ron Paul and no other reason.

Yep, Ron Paul is a stinker. But he's a "Crazy Uncle" idealist stinker, a type much easier to like than a sanctimonious religion-on-his-sleeve altar boy like Santorum.

You Santorum fans are overlooking a huge factor here: Santorum has so far been given a pass on any kind of serious vetting in the MSM as well as by his GOP rivals. Doesn't that raise any red flags for you?

To make matters worse, it's likely Gingrich actually does have the kind of honor Santorum pretends to have, and Gingrich would probably be loath to fire both barrells at Santorum, whereas Santorum -- well, we'll see how far he goes in his negative attacks against Gingrich in Nevada. So far they appear to be honest and sticking to policy, which is fair enough. But how much will Santorum deliberately misrepresent the truth in order to miscast his former ally? And how does it compare to Gingrich -- where has he willfully misrepresented truth in accusing his opponents of bad policy, let alone bad "values"?

How are you going to feel when you find out that Santorum is as tarnished in the ethics and honor department as Gingrich? With a MUCH shallower record than Newt's?

There are no perfect candidates -- Santorum included. The guy is a SET UP for being steamrolled -- he is a babe in the woods whose support base seems to be top-heavy with Pollyannas emotionally invested in a religious "righteousness" that is as fragile and fallible as a cheap dinner plate. Gingrich is not stuff for Pollyannas. He's ugly, battle-scarred, and tough. And has a list of solid accomplishments behind him that make Santorum look like the puppy he is.

Santorum is a set-up, folks.

55 posted on 01/31/2012 7:09:21 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Jonty30

(By the way, Jonty, I agree with your post, and think you do a great job of helping Santorum fans see the bigger picture.)


56 posted on 01/31/2012 7:11:34 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Not so minor point ... Santorum went home TO DO HIS TAXES. He just happened to be around when Bella was hospitalized. It speaks nothing about his character.

LOL! {^) Touche! Good point, JDB!

58 posted on 01/31/2012 7:15:25 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
Santorum is a set-up, folks.

Rick Perot?

-PJ

59 posted on 01/31/2012 7:19:24 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Rush, Levin,Hannity, Palin all have said they would support Romney if he were the nominee. How about you Romney or McCain?


60 posted on 01/31/2012 7:21:01 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I don’t want to hear a single sanctimonious thing from any Santorum supporter tonight.

Going to ben early I see.

61 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:26 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Finny
sanctimonious religion-on-his-sleeve altar boy like Santorum.

And we wonder why the religious right stay home?

62 posted on 01/31/2012 7:25:35 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Finny

Thank you.

I learned a long time ago that nothing is as it seems. I try to figure out why.

Even though the same principles apply to Canadian (which I am) and US politics, you guys do a lot to help me understand the subtleties and backgrounds of US politics.


63 posted on 01/31/2012 7:27:30 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Sometimes there’s a great deal of reality in the screen names we select.


64 posted on 01/31/2012 7:29:24 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: itsahoot; Mountain Mary
Mtn Mary asks: "Why would he put politics over his daughter’s/family’s needs? I sure wouldn’t."

I-hoot responds: Then you just aren't aware of what truly is at stake in this race.

Oh, really? Here's what's at stake in this race. If Romney gets the nomination, millions of decent, God-loving, God-fearing Americans will be put in a situation where, in a desperate attempt to vote "against" Obama, will find themselves seriously contemplating voting FOR a guy, Romney, who (among other things) celebrated and condoned junior high school kids in their embrace and declaration of open homosexuality, and who made cheap, taxpayer-subsidized abortion-on-demand part of the Massachusetts health care plan.

Itsahoot, Romney IS demonstrably depraved and craven, and YOU come on here and praise Santorum for contributing to the likelihood that Romney will get the nomination?

What is truly at stake in this race? Whether or not God-fearing Americans will be tempted to vote FOR a craven, wicked politician named Romney.

"You just aren't aware of what truly is at stake in this race" -- you've got some nerve.

65 posted on 01/31/2012 7:30:25 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Political Junkie Too

That’s a good way of saying it!


66 posted on 01/31/2012 7:33:51 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: itsahoot
I take by your tagline that abortion is a big, big issue for you. If it is, it is RIGHTLY so.

If I am correct, then you had BETTER LOOK DEEP INTO YOUR HEART and understand who and what Mitt Romney is, and you had better start considering the difference between showboating your faith from voting your faith.

67 posted on 01/31/2012 7:39:44 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: livius
Santorum lost his last election by 700,000 votes. That shows you what the good people of PA thought of him.

I would add that Santorum now trails Newt by ~440,000 votes through the first four states.

68 posted on 01/31/2012 8:20:19 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jonty30

Each vote Gingrich gets is probably .98 of a vote Santorum could get. Who did the establishment cheat to win against in Iowa. Who does the Occupy movement try to destroy, while they are okay with the other 3 candidates?


69 posted on 01/31/2012 8:45:02 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Jonty30
There are times when you have to vote for the person most capable of turning things back

Maybe that's what some people are doing?

70 posted on 01/31/2012 8:47:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Finny

I know what Mitt Romney is, sadly I know what Newt is as well.

Don’t kid yourself inton believing that you really had a choice in this election, and that is no disrespect to Jim, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.

I would vote for Newt, but Never for Romney, or Paul for that matter and that includes Rand.


71 posted on 01/31/2012 8:57:02 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Finny

{you’ve got some nerve.}
Do you have any idea what I said? No you do not.

I did not praise Santorum, I was asking why we expect soldiers and sailors to put The Constitution above family every day, but a politician is not supposed to have the Honor to do that?

One hundred and seventy years of family history and not one member has served in the military. That is who Romney the dual citizen is. Look to the establishment Republicans that put him in this place, for that matter they are the same ones that gave us the current president, for some one to pi$$ on, I didn’t do it.


72 posted on 01/31/2012 9:08:38 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: nickcarraway

I could be wrong, but it’s highly unlikely that Santorum could pick up 98% of Gingrich’s votes, if Gingrich left the race.

Maybe 30 percent.


73 posted on 01/31/2012 9:57:32 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

So you are saying Romney is your #2 after Gingrich. I understand completely.


74 posted on 01/31/2012 10:02:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Romney is just about everybody’s number 2 because it’s either that or Obama.


75 posted on 01/31/2012 10:04:19 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Just as long as your honest that you’d vote for 3 leftists before you’d vote for a conservative.


76 posted on 01/31/2012 10:37:14 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Judging from Santorum’s actual record, you know, his personal voting record, he must be one of the leftists that you’re talking about.

Yes, if Santorum was the nominee and I could vote for him, I probably would.

But I’d rather have somebody with a 90% lifetime conservative rating, like Newt, based on his actual voting record.


77 posted on 01/31/2012 10:43:10 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

In post #75, you imply you’d vote for Obama over Santorum. 1: Gingrich, 2: Romney, 3: Obama.


78 posted on 01/31/2012 10:46:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: tcg

The Reagan/Ford contest was no polite tea party. Who’s kidding whom?

The unfortunate lesson of the 2012 GOP primary season will be as old as the hills: money talks. Millions of dollars of negative advertising in IA, then many millions more in FL that cannot be matched won the votes there.

Santorum’s polling showed it wasn’t worth the $$$ for Romney to spend on him. He focused exclusively on Newt. Had Santorum built on his IA showing, he’d have been the target of millions in negative ads, and had funding to run his own ads. THEN we’d have seen his character under fire. As it is, he stayed above the fray only because he wasn’t a viable candidate in this contest.


79 posted on 01/31/2012 10:47:29 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: tcg; All
You think no one else in the race would have a "Hollywood Stop"-style "campaign suspension" for their hospitalized child?

Especially someone far out of the running who had abandoned the state?

As the saying goes, I was born at night but not last night.

This primary has become the theater of the absurd.

80 posted on 01/31/2012 10:50:05 PM PST by newzjunkey (More votes than Newt & Santorum combined? Where can the anti-Romneys regroup in Feb?)
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To: nickcarraway

If you thought I implied it, I apologize. That was not my intention. I think I’m fairly clear to most people that getting Obama out is the number one priority, if there’s any hope in turning around America’s future.

What I did say is that I do not believe that Santorum is able to beat Romney, Newt can if the votes are no longer being split between Gingrich and Santorum. Between the two, they have enough votes to beat Romney, but not enough individually.

If Romney gets the nomination, it’s a handoff to Obama.


81 posted on 01/31/2012 10:58:44 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: CAluvdubya
Sorry, but if Bella were my daughter, I wouldn’t be wasting this precious critical time with her by running for president. I’d be home enjoying every minute.

10,000 times AMEN. And people need to remember Santorum has SEVEN children. SEVEN. He spent essentially a year camped out in Iowa.

His continued campaign makes no sense, even as an "issue" candidate.

82 posted on 01/31/2012 10:59:26 PM PST by newzjunkey (More votes than Newt & Santorum combined? Where can the anti-Romneys regroup in Feb?)
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To: tcg
the person who needs to leave the race is Soros' Paul.

Ron Paul is dangerous.

Ron Paul, Soros and Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4q1vYx1V3g&feature=related

Before everyone gets their panties in a wad. Obama is already starting to make the moves to destroy our military.
Ron Paul will just drive the knife into their backs.
I thought it was clever how the Obama military haters are going to cut Benefits for veterans and wounded soldiers.
Wonder how far enlistment will drop on that one.

 

One of Ron Pauls best friends is George Soros..

http://www.orangepower.com/threads/george-soros-evil.95549/


83 posted on 01/31/2012 11:10:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jonty30
I'd like to believe it would make a difference, but probably it doesn't. Reelections are probably entirely referendums on the sitting president. U.S. presidents get reelected, unless things are bad enough that they get tossed out of office. Evidence indicates that probably happens no matter who the challenger is. So it's all down to how bad a lot of people perceive it is in November.
84 posted on 01/31/2012 11:10:27 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It may not, but you can’t let that stop you from trying. If you’re going to go down anyway, go down swinging.


85 posted on 01/31/2012 11:30:22 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

I agree, go down swinging. For me, that means nominating a conservative.


86 posted on 01/31/2012 11:35:38 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Just because Santorum is a family man, doesn’t make him a conservative. It speaks well of him, in that area, but it doesn’t make him one.

Can you tell me, through his political record, what has he either initiated or supported that would lend credence to his claim that he’s a conservative?

I can do that with Newt, despite his personal life being less than optimal.


87 posted on 01/31/2012 11:44:07 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: bwc2221

Oh, did I insult your wittle Rickypoo by telling the truth? And to combat the truth, you comment about a screenname? Quite pitiful.


88 posted on 02/01/2012 6:46:05 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Kenny; VanDeKoik; itsahoot; hinckley buzzard; Finny; tcg; napscoordinator; writer33
11 posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:10:26 PM by Kenny: “His numbers are getting better and he may be last man standing if Newt & Mitt continue to destroy each other.”

An important factor to remember.

The primary season is only beginning and none of us should forget that the top lineup has changed many times. Either of the two top guys could make a major mistake and we, as conservatives, need a backup plan.

I would be saying that even if I were a Gingrich supporter. So far the election results do not show that Gingrich has actually been denied a single delegate due to Santorum. And yes, I know that could change.

40 posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:44:56 PM by hinckley buzzard: “Santorum endorsed Romney already, in 2008. Nothing since has happened to suggest he will do differently this time around.”

That requires qualification.

Abortion is a core issue for Santorum. Four years ago even some of the top leaders of the evangelical Christian movement were divided over whether to back Huckabee or Romney, thinking they were agreed about abortion and differed mostly on economic policy.

It has become far more clear in the last four years just how bad Mitt Romney's views really were. I fear having a flip-flopper who seems to make decisions on abortion based on polling data appointing judges to the Supreme Court who will never again face a vote after their Senate confirmation hearings.

44 posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:48:14 PM by VanDeKoik: “Santorum and his vulture groupies can go f@ck off. Like I said, they are just rooting for Romney from the sides in some pathetic effort to justify him still being in the race.”

You're welcome to your opinion. For some of us, abortion is a core issue and we could never vote for Romney in the primary because of his views.

62 posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:25:35 PM by itsahoot: “(Quoting Finny:) ‘sanctimonious religion-on-his-sleeve altar boy like Santorum.’ And we wonder why the religious right stay home?”

Hey, Finny — we're Republicans too. You need our votes to get your secular conservative candidates elected. I hold my nose and sometimes vote for anti-religious candidates who are economic or military conservatives who are right on most issues other than social issues, and will vote pro-life because they know they have to be pro-life to win a Republican primary.

We're here to stay, Finny. We've been here at least since the Deep South turned Republican, and then many more conservative Roman Catholics were brought in by the Reagan Revolution. And except when people talking like you make us too mad to vote, we usually vote for your candidates, so all you're doing is hurting yourself to talk that way.

89 posted on 02/01/2012 8:48:46 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina; itsahoot; b9
“(Quoting Finny:) ‘sanctimonious religion-on-his-sleeve altar boy like Santorum.’ itsahoot replies: And we wonder why the religious right stay home?”

Darrell chimes in: Hey, Finny — we're Republicans too.

And hey, Darrell and itsa, I'm a Christian, too.

My "in forum" posts speak for themselves. A lot of us are hard-core Christians here (I know of one whose smart, conservative grown son recogizes in Santorum the kid in school who'd remind the teacher that she forgot to assign homework) who are thoroughly turned-off by the "holier-than-thou" flavor of Santorum's campaign. WE're also here to stay, and you need OUR votes. So right back atcha, pal. When I see Santorum implying that one shouldn't vote for Newt because of his failed marriages, my hair stands straight up that a man calling himself a Christian would pull that card, and that people LIKE YOU eat it up.

A key tenet -- THE key tenet, actually -- of Christianity is forgiveness. All this prattle about Santorum standing for "family values" (i.e., I've never cheated on my wife that anyone knows of and only been married once, so vote for me instead of thrice-married Newt, even though Newt is my senior in politics and has considerably more experience than I do in limiting government and making things happen) I find, AS A CHRISTIAN, pretty disgusting. If you want to talk about REAL family values, it is forgiving those who ask for it. Seven times 70.

You and Santorum, get off your high horses and stop thinking that being the "better Christian" (and James Dobson approved, no less!) does anything but turn most people off.

90 posted on 02/01/2012 9:50:43 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: nickcarraway

Methinks your definition of “conservative” is based on things other than politics.


91 posted on 02/01/2012 9:52:57 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: napscoordinator; tcg

Seems there’s a question on whether either Santorum and the moron Mormon are NBC???


92 posted on 02/01/2012 11:36:21 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: darrellmaurina

I’m very pro-life but that’s not my only issue. I love that Rick keeps calling Romney out on Obamacare. He’s been the only one period to consistently and passionately address this.


93 posted on 02/01/2012 3:14:16 PM PST by Kenny (<p><i)
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To: Finny

Words fail me, you claim it is un Christian to be Christian, because other Christians are supposed to forgive, but it is very Christian to criticize Christians that defend Christians when they are called Sanctimonious.

Thank you for the lesson in humility.


94 posted on 02/01/2012 9:35:02 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: Jonty30
"But I’d rather have somebody with a 90% lifetime conservative rating, like Newt, based on his actual voting record."

Santorum's lifetime ACU rating is 88.1%. While Newt beats him by a whole 1.9% keep in mind that difference reflects the voting record of a Representative from a safe conservative district vs. a Senator from a purple state. One could just as easily say that Newt voted against his conservative constituents 10% of the time, while Rick voted against his moderate constituents 11.9% of the time.

95 posted on 02/01/2012 9:44:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That may be true, but Santorum still doesn’t have what it takes to be president. That’s just my opinion.


96 posted on 02/01/2012 10:45:23 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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