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‘Green light’ to see Obama’s Hawaii files [It's about time !]
WND ^ | January 31, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/31/2012 6:43:27 PM PST by RobinMasters

An attorney who presented evidence to a Georgia judge last week on Barack Obama’s eligibility for the state’s 2012 presidential ballot believes she now has a right to demand to see his original Hawaii documents.

Obama last April released what he said was a copy of his original Hawaii birth documentation, but a number of imaging, document and computer experts contend it is a fraud.

The original birth documentation could undermine Obama’s claim to be a “natural-born citizen,” as the Constitution requires. Many of his critics, however, say the birth documentation doesn’t matter, because Obama’s father never was a U.S. citizen. The Founders likely understood “natural-born citizen” to mean the offspring of two U.S. citizens.

Now California attorney Orly Taitz, who has brought a number of major legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility in various courts up to the U.S. Supreme Court, has told WND that when Obama and his lawyer wrote a letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp last week refusing to attend the hearing on Obama’s eligibility status, they included a copy of the image that the White House released last April.

They also sent a copy to the court of Judge Michael Malihi, the hearing officer, whose ruling is expected to be made available in the next few days.

That act, Taitz explained, effectively gave the court a copy of the White House documentation, and under ordinary rules of evidence the opposing side is supposed to have access to the original to verify the authenticity of the purported copy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; ga; georgia; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 01/31/2012 6:43:30 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Is it possible? Can they have finally made a mistake?


2 posted on 01/31/2012 6:47:09 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RobinMasters

It remains to be seen if this judge has the cajones to go for it.


3 posted on 01/31/2012 6:48:20 PM PST by TheZMan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2794639/posts)
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To: RobinMasters

The lawyer is very optimistic. All the administrative law judge said is that she could apply to the district court for a subpoena. So she has a “green light” to make an application that will almost certainly be denied. If it is not denied, it will be stayed on appeal until after the election.


4 posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:24 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: RobinMasters

IANAL but with a default judgement that doesn’t apply. The evidence doesn’t matter.


5 posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:23 PM PST by mrsmith (What Tea Party nominee have you found for your House seat?)
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To: RobinMasters
The state of Hawaii is the only body that can deny the legitimacy of the birth certificate that Obama’s flashing. Since they sent it to the court, they've submitted documentation that verified that which was presented in court, that Obama’s father wasn't a citizen.

No matter where his place of birth ultimately is uncovered to be, the lack of two citizens for parents is the issue. Of course, under the Obama precedent, any illegal who crosses the border and squats can have a child that’ll one day become president of the United States.

6 posted on 01/31/2012 6:55:52 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: RobinMasters

Getting Popcorn..........


7 posted on 01/31/2012 6:58:07 PM PST by Jayster
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To: RobinMasters

Surely the Chicago mob has cleansed the trail by now?

That’s the part that I’m dubious about.


8 posted on 01/31/2012 7:00:41 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: kingu

“The state of Hawaii is the only body that can deny the legitimacy of the birth certificate that Obama’s flashing. Since they sent it to the court”

Hawaii didn’t send it. This is Obama’s backdoor way to introduce NOTHING legal.

“Obama and his lawyer wrote a letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp last week refusing to attend the hearing on Obama’s eligibility status, they included a copy of the image that the White House released last April.”


9 posted on 01/31/2012 7:04:31 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: RobinMasters

Discovery


10 posted on 01/31/2012 7:11:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: RobinMasters

Discovery


11 posted on 01/31/2012 7:11:43 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: RobinMasters

He can’t skip the hearing and then try to introduce some non-legal documents.

That was one of the reasons for the having the hearing in the first place.

I hope the judge smacks Obama down.


12 posted on 01/31/2012 7:13:27 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks RobinMasters.


13 posted on 01/31/2012 7:15:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: RobinMasters
does anyone believe an ORIGINAL even exists?

I don't..B.Hussein O. has made sure there will be no evidence of any original ANYTHING..especially after his Presidential term ends. more than likely all the school and college records are gone and all the Chicago info regarding his political career, that information will also be gone. ..the guy is a crooked creep...

and today I am laughing my ass off as the Democrats try to scam their way out of Fast and Furious. what a great country we have become!

14 posted on 01/31/2012 7:20:46 PM PST by haircutter
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To: butterdezillion; bitt; georgia girl

PING.


15 posted on 01/31/2012 7:20:45 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: RobinMasters

Are they are cleaned up now?


16 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:11 PM PST by cricket (America restored;. . .Newt CAN make it happen.)
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To: RobinMasters

Are they are cleaned up now?


17 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:18 PM PST by cricket (America restored;. . .Newt CAN make it happen.)
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To: RobinMasters

“Obama and his lawyer wrote a letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp last week refusing to attend the hearing on Obama’s eligibility status, they included a copy of the image that the White House released last April.”

So Jablonski went there. Hmmm...trying to submit false information to the court?

Is he only trying to submit a copy from a website or implying the image is a copy of a true legal document?


18 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:44 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Whatever obozo submitted to the court is deemed legal. If anything submitted is illegal then obozo has committed crime!
So the judge only needs to go by the doc submitted and weigh it against the plaintiff’s allegation - obama’s father was not a US citizen at time of obama’s birth, therefore obama is not constitutionally eligible to be the pres. It is in plain sight - obama’s own doc validates the plaintiffs’ allegation that obama is NOT an article 2 natural born citizen!

No need the orig bc from Hawaii!

The non-taiz lawsuits win the argument!

If the judge rules on the merit, he will recommend the SOS take obama’s name off the ballot!


19 posted on 01/31/2012 7:29:15 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: tet68

Nothing will come of this. If there was something damning in the original, it would have been “cleaned up” by now.


20 posted on 01/31/2012 7:32:16 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Round 9

Stand by...


21 posted on 01/31/2012 7:35:23 PM PST by IrishPennant (Did Adam and Eve have belly-buttons? I'm jes' askin'...)
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To: chrisnj

“Whatever obozo submitted to the court is deemed legal.”

He doesn’t get to backdoor information.

Hell, he could send a copy to the judges’ home address it should have no weight since it wasn’t presented in court as a response to the ballot challenge from one of the plaintiffs where the plaintiff could challenge it’s authenticity.


22 posted on 01/31/2012 7:37:43 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: mrsmith
There is no default Judgment as of today. The Judge has evidence to review.

A few more dominoes will fall.

23 posted on 01/31/2012 7:46:28 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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24 posted on 01/31/2012 7:48:49 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RobinMasters

I applaud WND for saying on top of this. The skeptics who have been labeled as ‘birthers’ are intimidated by the DNC media for a reason. With any luck we’ll know why someday.


25 posted on 01/31/2012 7:54:51 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: RobinMasters

Men are easily corruptible. Documents easily forged.

Inalienable truths are self-evident.


26 posted on 01/31/2012 7:56:55 PM PST by devattel
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To: RobinMasters
does anyone believe an ORIGINAL even exists?

I don't..B.Hussein O. has made sure there will be no evidence of any original ANYTHING..especially after his Presidential term ends. more than likely all the school and college records are gone and all the Chicago info regarding his political career, that information will also be gone. ..the guy is a crooked creep...

and today I am laughing my ass off as the Democrats try to scam their way out of Fast and Furious. what a great country we have become!

27 posted on 01/31/2012 7:58:12 PM PST by haircutter
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To: RobinMasters

In the interest of “fairness” - I’d also like to see the following Obama documents -


1) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released

2) Obama’s baptism records — sealed

3) Obama’s adoption records — sealed

4) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s repatriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released

5) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released

6) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released

7) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released

8) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.
(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)

9) Columbia College records — not released

10) Columbia senior thesis — not released

11) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)

12) Obama’s law client list — sealed

13) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed

14) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed

15) Obama’s medical records — not released

16) Obama’s passport records — not released


28 posted on 01/31/2012 8:04:09 PM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: RobinMasters
I think this is a whole lotta nuthin. Rules of Evidence won't compel Hawaii to unseal a document. If it isn't a Hawaiian State Court Judge, or a Federal Judge ordering them to do so, they simply don't have to.

The will not recognize a subpoena from Georgia as binding on Hawaii. The only way around this Might be that section of Hawaiian law that says they will provide one under the correct legal circumstances.(If requested by Officials of other states for Legitimate and necessary purposes, or some such) Even so, I think that only applies to ordinary privacy regarding birth certificates. If Obama's is sealed by court order, (which I believe it to be.) even the Hawaiian law won't be able to pry it loose.

29 posted on 01/31/2012 8:04:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Round 9

There is no “original”.


30 posted on 01/31/2012 8:14:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: DiogenesLamp

DiogenesLamp: “The will not recognize a subpoena from Georgia as binding on Hawaii”

But what about the possibility that Obama be compelled to produce the COLB? Doesn’t Obama have the right/ability to get the documents from Hawaii?

Since Obama submitted his fake birth certificate as proof of his citizenship (through Jablonski), I would think he could be required to provide verification of that submission...


31 posted on 01/31/2012 8:17:11 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: RobinMasters
When are people gonna learn...

WND + ORLY = FICTION

32 posted on 01/31/2012 8:18:51 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: mrsmith

mrsmith, Judge Malihi’s findings will not be a default judgement. That may be what Obama and his desperate attorneys were hoping for but it isn’t happening. The judge has been and will be considering the evidence submitted, the law and legal arguments made in the case as he arrives at his judgements.

IMHO the reason the Obamamites didn’t attend is because they will be unable to introduce their “evidence” without risk of perjury. They don’t have that risk when they just go around throwing so called evidence over the wall and saying “here’s the proof”. But in a legal setting, for each piece of evidence being introduced, they’d have to have someone sworn in and attest that the item of evidence was authentic and be subject to cross examination.

It’s very important that we support challenges to Obama’s eligibility in each state where such challenges arise. Should ANY court in this great country find that a “submitted” Obama birth certificate is a forgery, all hell would break out and the house of cards and lies that Obama has built will begin to collapse. Obama and his collaborators have A LOT of things that they are hiding.


33 posted on 01/31/2012 8:22:28 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: RobinMasters

obumpa


34 posted on 01/31/2012 8:27:25 PM PST by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: haircutter
This law that he must show the original document may not get put in play until this goes to the Georgia Supreme court.

There are two possible routes to supremes. Defendant or plaintiff appeals.

If Plaintiffs lose, they will appeal. Then the documents are in play.

If Defendants lose , this is the wild card. The big question is, will the team for the communist Muslim appeal to Georgia Supremes? Or will they take their losses and move on.

Sheriff Joe is due to report his findings any day now.

I suspect Team Mohammed Soebarkah will not appeal.

Beware the ides of March, Soebarkah.

35 posted on 01/31/2012 8:30:06 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: visually_augmented
But what about the possibility that Obama be compelled to produce the COLB? Doesn’t Obama have the right/ability to get the documents from Hawaii?

You may find this answer strange, but my answer is "Not necessarily."

I and others suspect Obama's birth certificate is sealed by a court order because Obama was likely adopted in his past, possibly twice. There is some evidence to indicate he was adopted by Indonesian Step-Dad Lolo Soetoro. There is also evidence to indicate he was later Adopted by his Grandparents in 1971. If EITHER case or BOTH cases turn out to be true, his original birth document will have been sealed by the order of a Hawaiian State court.

If his birth certificate IS sealed by a Hawaiian court, Not even HE can access it without getting a Hawaiian court to unseal it. Believe me, I know exactly what I am talking about.

I was adopted, and I recently called My State's DOH to see what I had to do to get a copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate. They told me I had to write them a letter requesting it, and after six weeks they would inform me what I had to do to get a copy of my original. I asked them why they couldn't just tell me right now what I needed to do, and they said they had to consider it first and then tell me in writing.

I had always been told before that to get a sealed birth certificate unsealed, you had to petition a court to unseal it.

Fortunately, I HAVE a copy of my Original birth certificate, as well as a copy of my current birth certificate, so it was just an exercise in learning more about the process for me.

So I guess you could say that Obama does have the ability to get at his original record, but it is definitely not automatic.

Since Obama submitted his fake birth certificate as proof of his citizenship (through Jablonski), I would think he could be required to provide verification of that submission...

Exactly, and that's where we have him. No one can pry it out of Hawaii except Federal Judges, Hawaiian State Judges, and Obama. The other states do not have a right to see it, but they have a right to refuse to put someone on the ballot if they don't see it. Since Obama is coming to them for ballot placement, he has to conform to their requirements, and if the requirement is to show an ORIGINAL birth certificate, Obama will have to comply or stay off the ballot.

Now the first two cases in Georgia are not based on Obama's failure to present a birth certificate. They are based on the principle that a "natural born citizen" is a citizen which is born on the soil to parents who are also citizens. They are using Obama's posted birth certificate as evidence that his father was not an American and therefore he cannot be a natural born citizen.

I personally think there is a good chance he can't even prove he is a "native born" citizen.

36 posted on 01/31/2012 8:32:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: RobinMasters

I really doubt a Georgia administrative court has jurisdiction to compel Hawaii to do anything. Orly thinks this is a trial - it is not. It is a administrative hearing.


37 posted on 01/31/2012 8:38:58 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: DiogenesLamp
If that's the case, then Hawaii may force GA to disqualify Soebarkah, aka Barry Soetoro.
38 posted on 01/31/2012 8:39:02 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Vendome
This is not a trial. It is an administrative hearing. The judge has very limited powers compared to a criminal or civil court. I am not sure discovery is relevant, especially since the judge has already ruled he does not have the jurisdiction to enforce subpoenas beyond the borders of Georgia.
39 posted on 01/31/2012 8:39:12 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Smokeyblue
Since the judge invited all parties to submit further documents, I doubt it is an issue. The judge and the SoS don't want to get into fight with the POTUS - I think they will give the White House every opportunity to provide documents. In this case, a birth certificate is all the SoS wants.
40 posted on 01/31/2012 8:39:19 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Tex-Con-Man; RobinMasters

Lissen to da conman, ya hear?! Da conman nose!


41 posted on 01/31/2012 8:41:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Smokeyblue

“Hell, he could send a copy to the judges’ home address it should have no weight since it wasn’t presented in court as a response to the ballot challenge from one of the plaintiffs where the plaintiff could challenge it’s authenticity.”

Correct. Sending a whiny letter and “birth certificate” image to the SOS doesn’t constitute introduction of such as “evidence” in a court proceeding.


42 posted on 01/31/2012 8:49:28 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Smokeyblue

“I personally think there is a good chance he can’t even prove he is a “native born” citizen.”

Yep, and I personally think that we’ll see the HDOH records repository go up in flames before we’ll ever see an actual, hard-copy LFBC for “Obama” released for public inspection.


43 posted on 01/31/2012 8:55:33 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Why will Obama not present ANYTHING authentic? If he had a valid Hawaii BC after an adoption it would appear to be the original; nobody would have a way to prove that it wasn’t the original.

He hasn’t done that. Why not? Adopted people have legally valid BC’s that they show all the time, just like anybody else. Why won’t Obama show one? Why forge documents instead? That wouldn’t be explained by adoption, even if he WAS adopted. Which he may well have been, and possibly more than once.


44 posted on 01/31/2012 9:02:20 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ModelBreaker

More no guts B.S. from the coward courts , just goes on and on and on and on.


45 posted on 01/31/2012 9:06:27 PM PST by Billk
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To: Smokeyblue

Romney’s Dad was born in Mexico. Was he an American citizen, when Mit was born? Anybody know?


46 posted on 01/31/2012 9:16:12 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Rules of Evidence won't compel Hawaii to unseal a document. If it isn't a Hawaiian State Court Judge, or a Federal Judge ordering them to do so, they simply don't have to.

But once this gets appealed into the Federal courts, couldn't that then be demanded? Or do they have to live with just the existing evidence presented?

47 posted on 01/31/2012 9:19:05 PM PST by chopperman
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To: House Atreides
IMHO the reason the Obamamites didn’t attend is because they will be unable to introduce their “evidence” without risk of perjury. They don’t have that risk when they just go around throwing so called evidence over the wall and saying “here’s the proof”. But in a legal setting, for each piece of evidence being introduced, they’d have to have someone sworn in and attest that the item of evidence was authentic and be subject to cross examination.

I wonder where an affadavit would fit in relative to a mere attachment to the letter from Obama's attorney to Kemp. The latter seems of tenuous veracity, in the manner of "attached is something that my client posted on the net that either he or perhaps someone in his office claims is a copy of his birth certificate." In legal proceedings involving civil lawsuits, if my understanding is correct, a party needs to swear under penalty of perjury of the laws of the state that the attachment is a true copy of the document it is purported to represent. Thus, every document copy is accompanied by an affadavit containing a sworn signed statement. If there is no affidavit attesting to the veracity of the copy allegedly submitted as evidence, it is more difficult for me to envision that the copy can even be considered evidence at all by the court. OTOH, the rules of the administrative court might be more informal than the rules of evidence in a formal civil or criminal proceeding in a superior court. Does anyone know one way or another?

48 posted on 01/31/2012 9:25:37 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH
Obama is the ultimate con man. Everything he does is backed up by attitude and nothing else. All bluff.
49 posted on 01/31/2012 10:11:01 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: RobinMasters

Taitz has yet to interpret correctly one thing she’s been told by a judge. I would put absolutely no stock in anything she says. She keeps coming up with all this crap that’s absolutely untrue, and gets folks who follow the issue excited for no reason at all.


50 posted on 01/31/2012 10:19:17 PM PST by EDINVA
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