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Establishment to conservatives: You will take this medicine and like it. The more I read these types of articles the more I am inclined to vote 3rd party in November.
1 posted on 02/01/2012 6:55:29 AM PST by C19fan
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I’m not getting on this thread and, if I were to get on this thread, which I’m not, I would agree with the article.


86 posted on 02/01/2012 8:13:56 AM PST by altura
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—I hear those among you who say you’ll sit this election out. ”If the party loses because they didn’t go conservative enough for me, it’ll teach them a lesson”. —

I will sit out the presidential election if Mitt is the nominee. I may sit out the whole thing. But my reasoning is not “teaching someone a lesson”. Rather, it is where I already am. That is, the world is on the precipice of the greatest collapse in the history of man. This election will not stop it, even if Sarah could somehow run and win. The problems are too big. We’ve fallen off the cliff and are on our descent to the jagged rocks hundreds of feet below. We cannot simply find a leader that will magically produce a lasso and get us back to the top. It’s too late for that. We are committed to the full distance to the rocks below.

I’ve been saying that for years, but I feel a little like a guy that was told he has two years to live, and my two years are up in a few weeks. That is, even though I’ve felt this way for about four years, it is still hard to believe as we near the end. But the signs are all around us and this election is but one of them.

One of the suggestions was “relax”. Do you think that would have been good advice for jews in Germany as they watched Hitler rise to power? The courageous ones were the ones who LEFT THE COUNTRY. It is not an easy thing to do, and your friends all think you are over reacting. But time tests actions, as ours will be tested in the next year.


87 posted on 02/01/2012 8:16:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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I’ve heard more than a few of you Newt and Paul supporters out there; “If Romney wins, I’m staying home on election day”. While I’m not especially passionate about Romney just yet, I’ll reiterate what an awful idea this is. Don’t go there, people.

Some of us have been there and have dug in enough to build a barricade.

No Mitt. Not now, not ever.

While I agree with the general principle of voting for the "least bad" in the general election, there are still some lines that can't be crossed, and Romney crosses most of them. We would be no better off with Romney than we are with Obama.

90 posted on 02/01/2012 8:19:00 AM PST by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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What a condescending, BOHICA POS article. FUGOP!


93 posted on 02/01/2012 8:22:40 AM PST by TADSLOS (Gingrich-Palin FTW!)
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Don’t go there, people.

Too late, Mitch.

Anyone else think CPAC will be mega-interesting this year?

99 posted on 02/01/2012 8:38:00 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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People act likevthis is something new...people sat home in 2008 when ‘they’ tried to shove McCain down our throat. It will be MUCH WORSE with Romney. You aren’t even going to hear from them on the internet forums like this one or on ‘talk’ radio, but they are out there.


100 posted on 02/01/2012 8:42:35 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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Oops...

People act like this is something new...people sat home in 2008 when 'they' tried to shove McCain down our throat. It will be MUCH WORSE with Romney. You aren't even going to hear from them on the internet forums like this one or on 'talk' radio, but they are out there.

101 posted on 02/01/2012 8:43:19 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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Take a look at Americans Elect. They have two and a half million signatures. At some point a candidate is going to step in front of this parade. Why not make it a conservative? Drawback: it splits the "conservative" vote. But if the Republicans have no real conservative?

You might say it's better for Americans Elect to have a leftist to take votes away from Obama, which is the way most people think this group is going to go. There's no harm in signing up, as I see it. It's going to be a factor in the election whether you do or don't.

116 posted on 02/01/2012 9:10:00 AM PST by firebrand
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The people that ruined Christine O’Donnell and Dug Huffman want you to remember how important it is that we all stand together a vote Mitt.


119 posted on 02/01/2012 9:16:36 AM PST by jpsb
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To the GOP-E, Mr. Berg, and the other GOP-E apologists:

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY OR ANYONE WHO ENDORSES ROMNEY BEFORE HE SECURES THE NOMINATION.

A Life-Long Republican.

I'll vote for someone who endorses Romney because he's the party's nominee but not someone who endorses Romney while he can still be stopped. I recognize this action as a "holding my nose while voting" type of endorsement.

129 posted on 02/01/2012 9:48:34 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To the Anybody But Mitt people

As a friend of mine says DON'T BE ON MY SIDE!
I can only assume one of two things are happening
A. you're blowing off steam
B. you're dumber than dirt
I can only hope it is the former

I don't support Romney, I don't think he's the best candidate out there...that would be Newt Gingrich, warts and all. But IF Romney is the candidate of the GOP, I will skip to my polling station with a smile on my lips, a song in my heart, and gladly happily with great vigor pull the lever for him. Because in comparison to Barack Obama, Mitt Romney (even with all the problems I have with him) is an answer to a maidens prayer.

So Grow Up!

130 posted on 02/01/2012 9:50:01 AM PST by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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I will not, under any circumstances, vote for the GOP-e forced candidate, Mitt Romney.

If need be, I will watch our country burn to the f-ing ground. Perhaps then, we can rebuild.

The GOP-e is counting on all of us to fall in line like good little sheep.

I absolutely hate to find myself having to take this position, but if Romney gets the nomination (God forbid), that is the only position that I can take.

These are not easy times, and they will likely get far worse before anything gets better, if ever.

I am now convinced, more than ever, that the GOP-e must be completely destroyed and voting for Romney will extend its life.

If Obama wins, our country is destroyed. If the GOP-e wins, our country is destroyed. This sure isn’t like trying to choose an ice cream flavor.

Having said all of that, I continue to believe that with our help, Newt will win this.

I will not vote for Romney, period.

GO NEWT GO—it’s about the survival of our country!!


132 posted on 02/01/2012 9:53:48 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO--itÂ’s about the survival of our country!!)
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Mitt out advertised Gingrich 65-1 on Florida TV. Romney was killed in the debate by Santorum and yet, he still won.

Romney won because he won the stupid vote, the people who base their opinions on TV ads.
Romney is not going to be able to do that against Obama.


136 posted on 02/01/2012 10:00:27 AM PST by Eva
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I have to say I'm a little disappointed in Mitch Berg for this one, and I don't think he has a sense of what is really going on in the conservative polity. For example, this patronizing little piece of dreck:

Go Shooting. It’s great stress relief. It focuses the mind. And it shows Romney – and Obama – that you can’t whiz on the Second Amendment. It’s a threefer.

It's a one-fer. It's great stress relief. The fact that it is likely to influence neither man is precisely the problem here. Romney's gun-control antecedents are very well-known and his new-found respect for the Second Amendment reeks of insincerity and posturing. "Go shooting, little people, and pretend that you count for something" is the sort of advice you'd give a ten-year-old.

Mitch doesn't get it. What is significant about conservatives within the Republican party is that we feel, and are, profoundly marginalized, disempowered, taken for granted. Government spending must be cut, the size of government must be trimmed, the direction of centralization of government power, with all its concomitant waste and corruption, must be reversed. Any candidate not committed to that might as well be a Democrat as far as conservatives are concerned. And "committed" includes a track record of success in that arena which Mitt Romney does not possess.

What Berg's blithe reassurance amounts to is "relax, you've lost, now vote for Romney because the other guy is worse." Over and above the fact that the primaries have barely begun, there is in this the entirely false assertion that so long as we "show up", that is, vote for Romney, we can somehow magically influence him to favor our policies. How Berg draws that conclusion is a bit of a mystery to me. "Vote for Mitt because the other guy is worse" argues exactly the opposite.

I do agree that staying home on election day is an action likely to make conservative marginalization worse. We must attain a majority in the Legislative. The Executive under Romney is likely to be a rubber stamp for liberal activism if the experience in Massachusetts is any guide. But Gingrich or even Reagan under a Democratic legislature is not likely to be a great deal of improvement. The Legislative is a battle the country cannot afford to lose. We cannot stay at home on election day.

That doesn't mean an automatic vote for any Presidential candidate, and Romney is perhaps the least likely of any of the remaining ones (except maybe for Ron Paul) to enjoy a free ride in that regard. I would far rather have a conservative - not Republican - Congress and a Democratic President than a Democratic Congress and a Republican - not conservative - President. A Democratic Congress and President together is too horrible to contemplate - the damage done by that combination between 2008 and 2010 is likely to take decades to undo and it may be permanent.

So I'll pass on Mitch Berg's head-patting, thanks. What he's hearing isn't a tantrum, it's a roar of anger, and it isn't going to go away.

140 posted on 02/01/2012 10:14:41 AM PST by Billthedrill
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While I’m not especially passionate about Romney just yet, I’ll reiterate what an awful idea this is. Don’t go there, people.

That worked so well in 1996, Mitch. /s

147 posted on 02/01/2012 11:53:42 AM PST by newzjunkey (More votes than Newt & Santorum combined? Where does anti-Romney rebound in Feb?)
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Wow, who is this jerk of a liberal loser?

1. Romney was the fourth GOP Governor in a row, in a state that usually elects republican governors.

Go shooting to relax? is this romneybot mocking us by bringing up our sporting rifles while defending Romney?

“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”


149 posted on 02/01/2012 11:59:12 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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I will not stay home, I will vote...down ticket.


157 posted on 02/01/2012 4:09:06 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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What happens if Romney isn’t able to be elected? For whatever reason he drops out, health issue, something from the past etc.

It becomes a brokered convention?

Any candidate who shows up can be written in?


160 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:09 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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