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Alabama immigration crackdown costing state billions: study
Reuters‎ ^ | Feb 1, 2012 | Verna Gates

Posted on 02/01/2012 4:20:09 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Reuters) - Alabama's crackdown on illegal immigrants, widely seen as the toughest in the United States, could cost the state's economy up to $10.8 billion, according to a new study.

The Alabama law, passed in June, requires police to detain people they suspect of being in the U.S. illegally if they cannot produce proper documentation when stopped for any reason, among other measures.

The cost-benefit analysis by University of Alabama economist Samuel Addy estimated up to 80,000 jobs could be vacated by illegal immigrants fleeing the crackdown, costing Alabama's economy up to $10.8 billion.

The lost jobs would cost Alabama up to $264.5 million in lost state sales and income taxes, and as much as $93.1 million in lost city and county sales taxes, it found.

At the low end of the range, Addy found the crackdown could cost Alabama's economy $2.3 billion.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: al; aliens; immigration; lies
The lost jobs would cost Alabama up to $264.5 million in lost state sales and income taxes, and as much as $93.1 million in lost city and county sales taxes, it found.

The supporters will have do without ill gotten gains, fraud should be counted as legal earnings.

1 posted on 02/01/2012 4:20:21 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

EDIT:The supporters will have do without ill gotten gains, fraud should NOT be counted as legal earnings


2 posted on 02/01/2012 4:21:35 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

After they get rid of them, it will save them billions.

But in any event, it’s the fault of the federal government.


3 posted on 02/01/2012 4:21:35 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: moonshinner_09
Alabama's crackdown on illegal immigrants, widely seen as the toughest in the United States, could cost the state's economy up to $10.8 billion, according to a new study.

Probably lib BS.

4 posted on 02/01/2012 4:24:53 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: moonshinner_09

The flow of kickbacks to Democrats to keep Illegals from being prosecuted should be deducted from that number, as should be the U.S. Citizens who will replace them and
ADD to the Legal economy.


5 posted on 02/01/2012 4:25:21 PM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I live in AL and so far we have not seen any ill effects of the crackdown. However, our unemployment rate has dropped dramatically, saving the state lots of money. The restaurants have had to adjust, but have managed to replace the missing staff. We have also had a rash of US citizens “marrying” foreigners, especially Eastern Europeans, only to be caught in fraudulent arrangements by the INS. Some folks have ended up in jail or with fines.


6 posted on 02/01/2012 4:25:59 PM PST by Laserman
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To: moonshinner_09
doesn't say how much they'll save in HOSPITAL and HEALTH CARE costs from uninsured ILLEGAL ALIENS though...
7 posted on 02/01/2012 4:25:59 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: moonshinner_09

There is one way to solve the problem. Clean up the welfare roles and put them to work. No reason for business to suffer. Of course I suppose the democrats would lose votes, but the state would save a lot. There should be no guest workers just because some are too lazy to work and feel they have the right enslave their neighbors.


8 posted on 02/01/2012 4:29:19 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: moonshinner_09

Repeat after me. There are no costs or expenses for illegal immigration. There are only benefits from illegal immigration. Without illegal immigration the economy would collapse. If you don’t believe me look at California. /s


9 posted on 02/01/2012 4:30:31 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Chode

Don’t neglect Court, Police, social services and Education costs.


10 posted on 02/01/2012 4:31:26 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: moonshinner_09
Cheap at twice the price

But it's a BS number in the first place

Just more illegal alien sob stories

11 posted on 02/01/2012 4:32:06 PM PST by Regulator
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To: moonshinner_09
I heard some of this yesterday from some liberal talking head on NPR. I wondered then if the study looked at the savings the state could expect in food stamps, housing, medical care, schooling etc, etc. It really sounded like hogwash to me so I looked up the Alabama unemployment rate and found this article in the Birmingham News.

Alabama's December unemployment rate decline best in U.S.

12 posted on 02/01/2012 4:34:03 PM PST by Bearshouse
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To: moonshinner_09

This is absurd. The JOBS won’t go away; the employers will just have to hire legal workers, ya know, like US citizens?

What makes him think that the illegal workers are *paying* income taxes, anyway?


13 posted on 02/01/2012 4:34:03 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why do Democrats demand “living wages” and then turn around and argue that illegals help the economy by working for low wages?


14 posted on 02/01/2012 4:36:40 PM PST by PressurePoint
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To: moonshinner_09

“The lost jobs would cost Alabama up to $264.5 million in lost state sales and income taxes, and as much as $93.1 million in lost city and county sales taxes, it found. “

10.8 billion? sounds like a figure pulled out of someone’s a**.

Versus how much Alabama taxpayer money spent on all the government goodies for the illegals?

To have to rely on what amounts to illegal Mexican “coolies” for our economy to survive is utterly ridiculous.


15 posted on 02/01/2012 4:37:57 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: moonshinner_09
LOL, I had no ideal Alabama had 100% employment and no one would be would be willing to move there for work . How much is the savings in free medical, housing and welfare????
16 posted on 02/01/2012 4:39:21 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: headstamp 2

Say how many illegals are thought to left AL ? They make up for any lost sales taxes with a few Bama football games.


17 posted on 02/01/2012 4:40:58 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

The bias in this article is clear from the headline and the lead.

The headline says “costing”, but the lead paragraph says “could cost”. This is pathetic. If I was the editor, I’d fire the headline writer for not reading the copy correctly. I’d fire the writer even faster if he/she wrote the headline.

There are no facts here. There is only conjecture from a academic who has suspect motives. To call this news is stretching the point beyond recognition, but since that’s what Libs do, I am not surprised.

I would be even less surprised if the economic benefits end up outweighing the costs. Less crime, less drain on public resources, an influx of citizens and legal residents looking for work... Hell, they’ll probably save a few million a year just on graffiti removal.


18 posted on 02/01/2012 4:41:15 PM PST by Ronin (Now 15 kilograms down since August last year. Hell yeah I'm bragging!)
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To: moonshinner_09

And that was the exact same $10.8 billion that Alabama was going to contribute to the effort to save the polar bears that were adrift on that iceberg.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 4:44:39 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: moonshinner_09

80,000 more jobs filled by Americans, and 80,000 fewer on welfare/unemployment is a GOOD THING Rooters.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 4:46:07 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Paladin2
bingo... the saving pile up as fast as they leave
21 posted on 02/01/2012 4:51:12 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GoldenPup

“lib BS”
Yep. http://cber.cba.ua.edu/director.html

Citizen in 2007, made director that same year, background, training and education is in rocks and “global warming.” Conclusions presented as `science.’
Looks like another Obama story: no relevant qualifications, an agenda, complete lack of professionalism and no shame.
In other words, a liberal.


22 posted on 02/01/2012 4:58:49 PM PST by tumblindice ("ghetto masses" Cloward-Piven's own words)
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To: Ronin
The bias in this article is clear from the headline and the lead.

I would suspect that "The Birmingham News" and its sister paper, "The Birmingham Post-Herald," are just as liberal as any other city newspaper. That would explain the bias.

23 posted on 02/01/2012 5:17:22 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Chode

Likely a lot more than the $10.8 billion they claim the crackdown is costing.


24 posted on 02/01/2012 5:20:18 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
i'd bet money on it...
25 posted on 02/01/2012 5:23:36 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: moonshinner_09

For obvious reasons, the Goebbelists at Reuters don’t say who paid for this study. Money talks, especially in academia.


26 posted on 02/01/2012 5:31:25 PM PST by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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To: moonshinner_09

The assumptions in the study include that no job vacated by an illegal would be filled by a legal worker, that illegals were paying taxes, and that illegal families were not consuming social services (schools, medical, etc) in excess to any tax revenue coming from them.


27 posted on 02/01/2012 5:32:07 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: moonshinner_09

This is bullsh!t. Alabama’s job situation is improving. We have a saying here in Mississippi:

“If Alabama isn’t careful with this new immigration law... every single person in Alabama is going to have a job”.

LLS


28 posted on 02/01/2012 5:43:55 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: moonshinner_09

One big word throughout the article -— COULD.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 5:50:16 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: moonshinner_09

I haven’t read the whole article and this is just shooting from the hip but when the only reason the unemployment rates are not around 20% or higher is because the government no longer counts people who have given up on finding a job.... there shouldn’t be any jobs “lost”; they should just go to the people who are here legally.

Somebody tell me what I’m missing here.


30 posted on 02/01/2012 6:00:37 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: moonshinner_09

TOTAL BS. What, are they assuming when an illegal alien leaves a job it won’t be filled by a citizen? BULL CRAP! LIBERAL BULL CRAP, the worst kind. Can’t wait to see how losing Illegals will contribute to global warming....


31 posted on 02/01/2012 6:36:06 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Legal residents will fill the positions, reducing unemployment.

It’s really simple to see.


32 posted on 02/01/2012 6:36:53 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: moonshinner_09
Alabama immigration crackdown Federal Regulations and DOJ Civil Wrongs costing state billions: study
Fix at no cost to Rooters…
33 posted on 02/01/2012 6:39:26 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: moonshinner_09

Alabama?

I’ll bet this “study” was conducted by Neil Young.


34 posted on 02/01/2012 6:39:58 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: moonshinner_09
Wow. Notice how one thing:

...jobs could be vacated by illegal immigrants...

turns into another:

The lost jobs...

literally in the next sentence.

That's as dishonest as it gets. An illegal alien vacates a job opening it up for a legal resident of the U.S. and that job somehow becomes a "lost job".

University of Alabama economist Samuel Addy, you are a charlatan. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
35 posted on 02/01/2012 6:52:24 PM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: Laserman

I lived in Mobile for a bit. I agree with you. I know a lot of people were having problems finding work. Legal citizen types. 80,000 jobs created imo.


36 posted on 02/01/2012 8:07:20 PM PST by DeakonSmith
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To: moonshinner_09

Lies put out by the lying liars.
RTR


37 posted on 02/01/2012 8:32:02 PM PST by logitech
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To: butterdezillion

Take the $10.8 billion and divide by 80,000 jobs and you get $135,000 per job. Yet the article claims the $15-35,000 was used for study. These numbers don’t match up and many of these jobs are NOT paying state income tax. Does study assume no citizen takes any of the 80,000 jobs? Most of these jobs would have to be at low end of wage scale since most ILLEGALS fall there. Take a 40 hour week times $10hr times 80,000 workers and it only comes to $1.6 billion in wages yet the study magically grows that number to 10.8 billion. There is no way they would spend 100% on income and sales taxes. Sounds like Obama economy numbers to me.


38 posted on 02/02/2012 7:24:48 AM PST by Tspud1
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To: Bearshouse

Do you mean this study? The study done by “Sam is a native of the West African country of Ghana, where he obtained a B.Sc. in Metallurgical Engineering from the University of Science and Technology”

Check for yourself:
http://cber.cba.ua.edu/director.html


39 posted on 02/02/2012 8:17:21 AM PST by Tspud1
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To: moonshinner_09

THe Entire article is pure BS.

Yes there was some pain and adjustment when the law went into effect, but now the proof is in the pudding.

Alabama’s unemployment rate has dropped almost 2% since the law took effect (IE people getting jobs illegals had), crime rates have dropped, food stamp and welfare rolls have gone down, and a nice thing I have noticed SERVICE and QUALITY in restaurants around Montgomery has markedly improved (including the Mexican Restaurants).


40 posted on 02/02/2012 8:24:20 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I call BS.

Illegals don’t pay income taxes. And they absorb a significant amount of free services for healthcare and other aid.


41 posted on 02/02/2012 8:37:25 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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