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RNC not supporting Gingrich's quest for Florida delegates
The Hill ^ | 02/02/12 | Cameron Joseph

Posted on 02/02/2012 11:16:03 AM PST by Qbert

The Republican National Committee will not support Newt Gingrich in his quest to add some Florida delegates to his count.

The former Speaker's campaign argued it deserves some delegates out of Florida despite the state party's position that its contest is winner-take-all.

But an RNC memo obtained by The Hill says that is not a possible scenario.

"With regard to proportionality, the RNC does not have the authority to intervene in a state’s primary plans beyond the imposition of the Rule 16 penalties," the memo says, referring to the state's loss of half its delegates for moving its primary up to January. "A contest procedure exists for challenges to a state’s delegation or delegates. The RNC cannot consider any issue regarding Florida’s delegation unless and until a proper contest is brought."

An RNC source said that Florida's plan as submitted in the fall said the state would be winner-take-all, and their plan could not be changed.

Even if there were a way to challenge proportionality in Florida, no one in the state party has shown any interest. Lenny Curry, the state GOP chairman, on Thursday painted Gingrich's campaign as a sore loser for making the argument.

Florida was the first state to award its convention delegates on a winner-take-all basis. Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina all awarded theirs proportionally.

Gingrich's campaign circulated a memo on Wednesday questioning whether Romney won all 50 delegates or whether they should be proportional an "unsettled question which will not be resolved until the Republican convention in Tampa this August."

Former Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, Gingrich's state chairman, reiterated that point on Thursday morning.

"You've got to realize that whoever was going to lose was going to make this challenge," he said on Fox News. McCollum said the challenge would be brought "to contest committee, then on convention floor."

Gingrich has argued his campaign will go to the convention, and this is likely his way as painting the nominating contest as a fight for delegates instead of racking up primary and caucus wins.

It takes 1,144 delegates to win the Republican nomination. Mitt Romney has 71; Gingrich has 23; Rick Santorum has 13; Ron Paul has three; and Jon Huntsman has two, according to a count by The New York Times.

—This post was last updated at 11:36 a.m.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: billmccollum; fl2012; flaprimary; gingrich; gope; rnc; romney; thefixisin

1 posted on 02/02/2012 11:16:15 AM PST by Qbert
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2 posted on 02/02/2012 11:19:21 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Qbert
Algore, rerun.
3 posted on 02/02/2012 11:24:48 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: musicman

TRANSLATION: You are not the establishment candidate, so we will cheat just like Democrats to keep you out, Newt.


4 posted on 02/02/2012 11:25:18 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Qbert
We love Mitt Romney, as he is just the kind of milquetoast declinist moderate that won't really tackle the nation's crippling problems, but will make sure that all of us in DC are well taken care of. And if we have to break our own foolish and silly rules to do so, you can bet your bottom that we will.

Best regards,
The Repuglicant Establishment

5 posted on 02/02/2012 11:25:42 AM PST by mojito
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To: Qbert
This is complete BS! If the tables were turned...and Milt was the loser...the RNC would race to get involved is my guess.

I hope Newt fights this, as the rules ARE the rules...RNC rules, at that!

6 posted on 02/02/2012 11:30:44 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: musicman

oy vey - Mr. New World Order and Citizen of the World


7 posted on 02/02/2012 11:31:30 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Jewbacca; F15Eagle; cripplecreek; All
IMHO, Romney is being set up like a Little League T-Ball for Obama to whack outta the park in Nov.

Not only does Romney’s “coronation” get rid of the Tea Party and “conservatives” for Rove and his RINO Country Club Status Quo bunch, it helps the dems keep the continuity of their “schtick”.

Obama and Romney are IDENTICAL politically, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the VERY important decision on permanently totally repealing Obamacare.

Obama can counter every political Romney arguement with “I know YOU are, but what am I” and clobber him over the head HARD with the 99% crap that he’s a 1%’er.

Geeee....that only leaves ONE “itty - bitty” difference.

Wanna guess what THAT is??????

Try “skin pigmentation”.

It worked for Obama BIG TIME in 2008. Romney is the ONLY candidate they can REALLY use it on because they are identical in almost every other way.

Romney WON'T attack Obama like he has Newt, because they will pin the "racist" tag on him so fast that his head will spin faster that his political flip-flops.

So Myth will "play nice" with Obama, he'll try to get everyone to sing "America The Beautiful" ( the fake crap he semms to be doing at ALL his Florida stops) and get KILLED in Nov, as is the GOP-e"plan" , except Romney AND Rick don't seem to see it......YET.

Lil' Ricky WILL be "handed" the VP slot (as his "reward" for helping Romney AND Rove in taking out Newt,) to "shut up" the "Santorum" and Tea Party "Conservative" people and with Romney's defeat, ensure Lil' Ricky won't be a problem to Rove and the GOP-E EVER AGAIN. With the Tea Party out of the way of BOTH parties for 2012 and 2016, Romney out of the way for 2012 AND 2016, the dems TOTALLY despised after 8 years of Obama, Rove and “the boys” can run Jeb for 2016 with NOBODY in their way.

OBTW, The pic below was taken last Friday afternoon Jan27th, 2012 , the day after "Bloody-Up Newt" Thursday by every RINO Country Clubber in this particular corner of the universe.

Jeb & George HW Bush & Obama Jan.27, 2012
Now, Obama has been in office for what, say 3 years?

How many photos of those three together have YOU seen??

Pretty much ALL the polls earier in the week had Newt leading in Florida, until the "suddenly" orchestrated RINO Newt attack which culminated Thursday before the debate, and THEN on Friday, I see THIS photo??

What in the heck could the three of them "constructively" have important enough in common to "get together" and talk about??

Maybe Barry just wanted to ask them over to find out how "W" was doin', you know, the son and brother of the two guys in the pic who he STILL TO THIS MINUTE blames EVERYTHING bad that has happened to date in his administration on and two years before he replaced him in office???

Yeah, that's the ticket.

I have an idea, and I mentioned it in the post above the pic..

Newt and Sarah have been TRYING to warn the Tea Party and Conservatives about this BIG TIME!!

(Sorry, but my Reynolds Wrap cap dang near fell off when I saw the pic.)

THIS is why people are upset with Lil' Ricky.

Either he is TOTALLY IGNORANT, or he's "in on the deal".

There is NO in between.

8 posted on 02/02/2012 11:36:19 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Qbert
There are two issues involved here:

  1. Winner-take-all primary.
  2. Number of Florida delegates awarded.

Florida opted for a winner-take-all primary (which was their right), but also accepted a 50% reduction in the number of delegates awarded, which was the known penalty imposed for holding a winner-take-all primary before Super Tuesday (March 6).

The only logical alternatives are:

  1. Leaving it as it is or
  2. Restoring all of Florida's delegates and making the award proportional.

In case one, Mitt nets all 50 delegates from Florida. In case two, 100 delegates are awarded proportionally to anyone getting over 15% of the vote.

This means a roughly 60%/40% delegate split or net 20 for Mitt. But the bigger problem is that Florida is able to skate for violating the primary rules (the logic of which would be a topic for another discussion) and suffer no penalty.

It sets a poor precedent for a relative handful of delegates.

Still, at this point, I understand that Newt needs to fight for every single delegate. But it can't help but revive memories of Al Gore in Florida in 2000 fighting for every vote and attempting to change the rules ex-post facto. Not a good move, IMHO.

Particularly when Newt will be going into some very winnable primary contests.

9 posted on 02/02/2012 11:43:54 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: musicman

bumping this pic of jeb, 41, and obama before the fl primary tt.


10 posted on 02/02/2012 11:44:20 AM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: musicman

Great post...I think he’s in on it...just my gut...and it ‘s never wrong.


11 posted on 02/02/2012 11:49:17 AM PST by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: Qbert

In other words, the rules don’t matter


12 posted on 02/02/2012 11:50:31 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

"In other words, the rules don’t matter"

The Romneybots know the real Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

13 posted on 02/02/2012 11:55:55 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: musicman

wow, what’s with this picture? Seriously, does anyone know the basis of the meeting? I find the timing and people in the room disturbing on several levels.


14 posted on 02/02/2012 11:58:31 AM PST by FightforFreedomCA (alright, I can support Newt...as long as he keeps embarrassing liberals.)
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To: Qbert

The helll with the RNC! They are owned by the same establishment the Rats are owned by!


15 posted on 02/02/2012 12:01:37 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Qbert
This entire election is already arranged.

The Florida primary was set up early by the establishment.

They wanted Romney to win Florida which falls in the spin to get this thing over and done with. How many months has it been reported that Romney was the front runner/the candidate on the way to the presidency. The conservatives and the Tea Party have been causing them problems.

16 posted on 02/02/2012 12:04:55 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: musicman

It is disgusting, isn’t it? We are so screwed.


17 posted on 02/02/2012 12:05:07 PM PST by AdamBomb
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To: FightforFreedomCA

Obama hosts George H.W. and Jeb Bush at White House

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/obama-hosts-george-hw-and-jeb-bush-at-white-house-112638.html

Excerpt:

“Unbeknownst to the press, President Obama met Friday evening with former president George H.W. Bush and his son, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, in the Oval Office.

White House officials did not list the meeting on the president’s schedule but released a photo on Flickr. According to the photo’s time stamp, the meeting occurred shortly after 5 p.m., about the time the president returned to the White House from a fundraiser.”


18 posted on 02/02/2012 12:05:52 PM PST by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: TEXOKIE
The day the picture was taken was the same day as the Alfalfa dinner. Both Bushs and Obama were among the guests invited. I'm sure that was simply a courtesy visit. This conspiracy crap is really getting crazy.
19 posted on 02/02/2012 12:06:46 PM PST by mimaw
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To: Qbert

An example of why I NO LONGER SUPPORT THE RNC OR THE REPUBIC PARTY!

LLS


20 posted on 02/02/2012 12:06:46 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: FightforFreedomCA; All
I found the pic VERY disturbing also.

I really would have bet money on THAT pic NEVER appearing ANYWHERE, let alone 4 days before the FLorida primary.

The only time I would have expected the three of them in the same room would have been on a WWF sanctioned PPV Steel Cage Death Match event.

Really creepy in a "VERY bad" way.


21 posted on 02/02/2012 12:09:42 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

I supported BushI and BushII with all that I had... but I would not pee on a Bush if he were on fire today.

LLS


22 posted on 02/02/2012 12:10:12 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Except for the FACT that the RNC, and every state, agreed that EVERY primary and caucus before Feb 1, 2012 would be proportional delegates.

The Fla GOP was there and agreed to that rule long ago, just as all the other states did.

23 posted on 02/02/2012 12:11:05 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Qbert
Okay, Newt, this comes across as a little bit whiney. After all, you knew it was "winner take all" when you ran in Florida.

Having said that, I do understand that candidates do whatever they can to try to enhance their position.

24 posted on 02/02/2012 12:12:27 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Qbert

And when the R.N.C. Again sends a plea for donations I’ll again write on a plain piece of paper “when you stop sending money to RINO’s and start sending it to conservatives then maybe.
Until then, go fish.
and send it back in their stamped addressed envelope.


25 posted on 02/02/2012 12:12:40 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Paperdoll

Republican Party + Democratic Party = Morton’s Fork


26 posted on 02/02/2012 12:13:09 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Qbert
We don't need anymore proof that the fix is in. The GOP establishment & the media are determined to force RINO Romney on us, meaning they're determined to lose in November.

Republican voters need to wake up and see that they're being played like a fiddle for thinking Mitt "Romneycare" Romney is the strongest candidate. It's all a big lie.

27 posted on 02/02/2012 12:15:35 PM PST by Lady4Liberty (Watch Romney endorse Obama's radical liberal agenda: http://youtu.be/i1fThdWagJ4)
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To: FightforFreedomCA; musicman

"wow, what’s with this picture? Seriously, does anyone know the basis of the meeting? I find the timing and people in the room disturbing on several levels."

Part of it was pretty obvious (to me, at least). What do Jeb and Obama have in common on a certain policy issue?...

Also, this meeting took place around the time when Gingrich, IIRC, was leading in the polls in Florida among Hispanics. Next came the rollouts of non-endorsements by certain key politicians, and then Romney's hit piece, "Gingrich said Spanish is a 'ghetto' language" or whatever the ad claimed. It was all about sending a subtle message...

28 posted on 02/02/2012 12:31:27 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: musicman

unbelievable and disgusting I need to pray harder than ever I feel stabbed in the back at every turn

Go Newt!!!!


29 posted on 02/02/2012 12:38:25 PM PST by StPaulRevert
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To: musicman
We are in concurrence. This is more about destroying the Tea Party than just Newt or one election. The Tea Party is the enemy of both the GOP and the Dems.

I think the Bush's were discussing some sort of a deal to get Obama a second term in exchange for working together to kill the Tea Party. They believe that will clear the decks for Jeb in 2016. They are both evil.

30 posted on 02/02/2012 12:40:29 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Qbert

RNC says RNC does not need to play by the RNC’s rules...

AGNTSA.


31 posted on 02/02/2012 12:44:49 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Qbert
RNC not supporting Gingrich's quest for Florida delegates

And the bastards keep sending me request for a donation, LOL!
I keep sending their crap back with "NO MORE RINOS" written across it in red Marks-A-Lot.

32 posted on 02/02/2012 12:49:35 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: MEGoody
Oh for heavens sakes, what was Newt supposed to do, not run because of this? Newt is in a damned if you do, damned if don't situation. Whatever he does is going to generate establishment mocks and jeers. If he didn't take some sort of action about this clear violation of the RNC’s own rules, then of course, these same people would be accusing him of not being on the ball, of being disorganized, of just wanting to sell books, etc.

PS: My local republican headquarters tells me the party is really financially strapped. Maybe the RNC had better realize that the republican base is very displeased, and that is why they don't have any money. It is in their own best interest to behave in a just and lawful manner, ensuring a level playing field for all the candidates, and not bending over for mittens willard romney. Most of us do not like this guy one little bit and there are not enough squishes in the middle and disaffected democrats to make up for our loss (besides which they don't financially support the republican party anyway.)

33 posted on 02/02/2012 12:55:50 PM PST by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: Qbert
Is the RNC a chartered organization with bylaws and a governing body?

What's happening to the rule of law in this country, when nobody feels that they have to follow their own regulations anymore?

Can the RNC lose its charter as an organization if they demonstrate that they're not serious about holding to their own bylaws that justify their existence?

-PJ

34 posted on 02/02/2012 12:56:32 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Qbert

Watch the Florida GOP give back the other 50 delegates before the Convention......


35 posted on 02/02/2012 12:57:10 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Christie at the beach

If the election really is already arranged, then does voting only give cover of validity? In other words, to paraphrase an old slogan: What if they had an election and nobody voted?” Well, not literally nobody, but a low enough turn out to make a statement that we know the fix is in, if indeed it really is. Just somethig to ponder.


36 posted on 02/02/2012 1:40:53 PM PST by Anima Mundi (NO SPECIAL PRIVILEGE)
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To: Qbert

Note to anyone looking for satisfaction from a brokered convention.


37 posted on 02/02/2012 1:46:26 PM PST by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Qbert

RNC = RinoNC


38 posted on 02/02/2012 1:51:24 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Qbert; Ozymandias Ghost

Well to me, it REALLY is looking like a “joint effort” is underway to PERMANENTLY kill the Tea Party and “conservatives”.

I even RECENTLY read where Jeb’s mama said “NOW is HIS time.”

Paraphrasing here (but close)”He’ll be passed his fresh date with 2 Romney terms.”


39 posted on 02/02/2012 2:00:30 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jewbacca

TRANSLATION: You are not the establishment candidate, so we will cheat just like Democrats to keep you out, Newt.

This just seems to be a dumb thing to do. Newt knew FULL WELL this was gong to be a winner takes all delegates and didn’t have a single problem with it until he lost. The day before when he said that he was going to win he even said, I will take all 49 delegates when I win tomorrow. Why didn’t he bring this up way before the primary? Go on Newt. Instead of worrying about this nonsense, he should be worrying about winning Nevada.


40 posted on 02/02/2012 2:08:17 PM PST by napscoordinator (Go Santorum!)
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To: musicman
I have no doubt at all that there is a joint effort from both parties to sabotage, fragment, dismantle and ultimately destroy the Tea Party.

I doubt that Romney can win against Obama ...the base is already PO’ed and hates him ...and the man is totally “tone deaf” ...he's coming off a win in FL ...no big pressure on him now; and he's been throwing out “gaffes” at a rate that will soon eclipse Joe Biden’s Guinness Record.

Take care,

-Geoff

41 posted on 02/02/2012 2:10:47 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: FightforFreedomCA; Califreak; musicman; Qbert

This makes the conspiracy theory part of my brain overload. We’re being played like freakin’ minions...


42 posted on 02/02/2012 3:18:20 PM PST by FightforFreedomCA (alright, I can support Newt...as long as he keeps embarrassing liberals.)
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To: Qbert

I believe in starving the beast. I haven’t donated to the RNC in years. I joined the Republican Party of Florida again last year but will not make that mistake again. My county GOP leaders were supporting Romney. They didn’t care what the TEA Party wanted. They wanted our money but not our input.

Give to conservative candidates Freepers! Not a dime to the Republican establishment!


43 posted on 02/02/2012 6:04:58 PM PST by jch10
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To: napscoordinator

Was he supposed to spend his money to force the RNC to follow their own rules BEFORE he lost in FL?


44 posted on 02/02/2012 6:14:23 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: mimaw

What was the Alfalfa dinner? THanks


45 posted on 02/02/2012 11:14:52 PM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: TEXOKIE

P rivate club in DC for the rich and powerfull. Dinner held the end of Jan.


46 posted on 02/03/2012 3:30:45 AM PST by mimaw
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To: mimaw

Newt was inducted as a member in 1994.


47 posted on 02/03/2012 3:36:45 AM PST by mimaw
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To: musicman; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Clever reasoning by RNC. It would seem to me that the case to give Newt some of the delegates is valid.

PING!


48 posted on 02/04/2012 5:56:29 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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