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To: trebb
"You win - I quit."

That's first intelligent thing you've said in this discussion yet.

14 posted on 02/03/2012 5:17:42 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity
I will make a public apology since our "discourse" was out in the open. I have had many disagreements with Vgilanteman and he will not be swayed, especially when the argument is to devolve, the way we both have, and turn it into personal attacks.

I am a firm believer in the Bible and, while religions of Christianity have sprung from it, I believe it stands on its own and "Religion" is a way to try to organize (with many "interpretations" of how to look at the teachings in the Book) and many "sects" seem to have belief systems involved that appear to be abit contradicitve to what Scripture says.

In a way, he was partially correct that religion doesn't base itself on the same "intellectual" basis as so-called science (which also has many who veer off the use of intellectual thought).

Religious beliefs necessarily require Faith, but I believe that it is an intellectually informed Faith. That's why Apologetics came into being - to help use rational arguments to explain why there is a rational reason for the Faith.

Vigilanteman, and those on his side, cannot conceive that a Creator was not only responsible, but necessary for us to be here. They would rather believe that out of nothingness, there was an inevitability that something had to happen and we are the product of that "inevitability". I can't conceive that the astronomical odds were beaten and that we are a product of a series of absolutely perfect "mistakes/accidents".

At any rate, I do apologize because we lowered each other in our attempts to one up each other. I wish there was a way to reach the non-believers, but they are also a nnecsessity as Christ told us they would hate us because we love Him. God also let us know that the world will deteriorate into a moral cesspool before He comes back to set things right. I have troubel following the edict "Resist not evil" as Christ counseled us, even though I know He was telling us it is His job to vanquish evil because we are incapable of doing it and our real job is to try to carry The Word. We are ineffective in carrying The Word when we resort to personal attacks. God Bless.

15 posted on 02/03/2012 6:07:03 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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