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The Case for Romney - A president who owes you is better than.....
National Review Online ^ | February 3, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 02/03/2012 3:38:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The Case for Romney - A president who owes you is better than one who owns you.

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Let me try to offer some solace. Even if Romney is a Potemkin conservative (a claim I think has merit but is also exaggerated), there is an instrumental case to be made for him: It is better to have a president who owes you than to have one who claims to own you.

A President Romney would be on a very short leash. A President Gingrich would probably chew through his leash in the first ten minutes of his presidency and wander off into trouble. If elected, Romney must follow through for conservatives and honor his vows to repeal Obamacare, implement Representative Paul Ryan’s agenda, and stay true to his pro-life commitments. Moreover, Romney is not a man of vision. He is a man of duty and purpose. He was told to “fix” health care in ways Massachusetts would like. He was told to fix the 2002 Olympics. He was told to create Bain Capital. He did it all. The man does his assignments.

In this light, voting for Romney isn’t a betrayal, it’s a transaction. No, that’s not very exciting or reassuring for those who’d sooner see monkeys fly out their nethers than compromise again. But such a bargain may just be necessary before judgment day comes.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; gingrich2012; gopestablishment; nro4dnc; nro4ineligibles; nro4obama; nro4romney; nro4soros; nrovsamerica; nrovsconstitution; rinos4romney; romeny2012
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The GOP Establishment thinks they can control Mitt but not Newt.

So.... it really isn't about Mitt's electability (which is so bogus -- as well as the claim he is the only one who can help the GOP ticket down the line) -- no, it's about the GOP Establishment being able to control Mitt because he (according to Jonah Goldberg) doesn't have a conservative ideological (or any) core and can be programmed by them on how to govern.

This certainly ranks up there as a bottom of the barrel argument to convince us to vote for Mitt Romney.

1 posted on 02/03/2012 3:38:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jonah is usually not this stupid.


2 posted on 02/03/2012 3:42:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (When the night falls, it falls on me, and when the day breaks I'm in pieces.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yep. The establishment wants a robot they can program to carry out their bidding.

This is the same reason Obama got into office as well.


3 posted on 02/03/2012 3:42:37 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

gawd,the author is naively stupid


4 posted on 02/03/2012 3:43:41 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like Jonah Goldberg but this is pure garbage.


5 posted on 02/03/2012 3:45:48 AM PST by Track9
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mitt is mean to dogs and he is not worried about poor people.

That is why he will never be president.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 3:46:41 AM PST by hadaclueonce (scrap copper is more than $3.00 a pound. wind generators are full of copper)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Every word mittens has ever spoken since 20something says ‘What they’ll have me do’ instead of ‘What I WILL do’.

America doesn’t like spineless Presidents, but they sure will vote for them.


7 posted on 02/03/2012 3:53:44 AM PST by txhurl ('We need to be sudden and relentless.' Save the canons for the whites of their eyes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

National RINOReview wants mitt.
Wants McCain/Dole/Bush II/Ford, too.
BFD.


8 posted on 02/03/2012 3:54:37 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL VOTING. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; ClearCase_guy

I’m amazed to see such idiocy coming out of Jonah Goldberg.

Yesterday, I read in the WSJ editorial that they were prepared to spend the next months explaining what Romney “really meant” in his stupid utterances (and they clearly expect this to be a pattern) and that he was better than what he said. They’re prepared to run interference for him the way the other media ran interference for the idiot Joe Biden.

Why don’t people just look at the reality of the man, which is not very good but very liberal, and believe that he makes stupid utterances because that’s what he really thinks and the way he thinks it and no, he can’t be retrofitted.


9 posted on 02/03/2012 3:55:27 AM PST by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jonah’s rumination would have made sense if Romney thinks he owes his election to the voters. But, as pointed out by these wise FReepers - HE OWES THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT!!!!

The only return to ‘for the people, by the people’ is a true second Party; beginning with the TEA movement and disillusioned Independents.

It will take years of recruiting and organization - in baby steps - but our children and grandchildren may witness such a revolution.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 3:59:17 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I read the article differently. Given that mitt will be the nominee, what do you do then? And in my view, that’s pretty much where we’re at. Not a popular view at FR to be sure, but that’s how I see it.

Mr. Goldberg has fails to make the case for mitt very well. I still don’t see any good reason to vote for mitt in the primaries or the general. How would mitt end up being a better President in the long run than barky would be as a lame duck?


11 posted on 02/03/2012 4:04:24 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Rand Paul for President 2016 (FR still rocks!!))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You still don't get it. Mitts is a FALL GUY.

He doesn't stand a chance. He's gonna roll over and play nice rino. Just like Awful Dull, and Juan Mc Lame.

There's not gonna be a president Romney. He's not a NBC either.

12 posted on 02/03/2012 4:06:40 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I will NEVER vote for romney... I would rather rip my own heart from my chest first. I despise him with every scintilla of my being. jonah is just another progressive republican apologist. I am done wit the lot of them... coulter included.

LLS

13 posted on 02/03/2012 4:08:59 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I thought the ‘on a very short leash’ was idiotic, too. Mittens isn’t ON a leash. He’s in a lap. A warm, comfy lap that he has no intention of jumping off.


14 posted on 02/03/2012 4:09:49 AM PST by txhurl ('We need to be sudden and relentless.' Save the canons for the whites of their eyes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He is calling for Romney the “fix it” man. LOL...

We don’t need a ‘fix it’ guy!!!!

Why are they so scared of somebody giving the American people the tools to fix our own problems?

Liberal Fascism Jonah...liberal fascism. Useful idiot.


15 posted on 02/03/2012 4:11:48 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Exodus 18:21
Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
    Criteria For Rulers:
  1. Fears God
  2. Tells the truth
  3. Hates covetousnes
Romney does not fit the bill in any respect.
16 posted on 02/03/2012 4:12:56 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Track9

Their FR wannabe website is made up of nothing but Rombots.


17 posted on 02/03/2012 4:15:24 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

18 posted on 02/03/2012 4:17:29 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
You still don't get it. Mitts is a FALL GUY.

He doesn't stand a chance. He's gonna roll over and play nice rino. Just like Awful Dull, and Juan Mc Lame.

There's not gonna be a president Romney. He's not a NBC either.

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I AGREE WITH THAT

Say no to the GOP's Rhino left.

Fire-people-12

19 posted on 02/03/2012 4:24:04 AM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And ANOTHER so-called 'conservative' sells out,
wonder how much Mitt-Witt paid Jonah for this?

20 posted on 02/03/2012 4:26:15 AM PST by mkjessup (A loser to a loser who now endorses that loser is a loser. <-- iow, NO Romney, No WAY!)
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To: Luke21

Yup, they were the ones who bought into the fallacious ‘personal responsibility’ argument made for the individual mandate. Didn’t have the common sense to see the obvious socialism in the thing. They’re always trying to make socialism acceptable to Conservatives. That’s basically the Romney shtick. Explains why there’s so many Bots over there.


21 posted on 02/03/2012 4:29:10 AM PST by Track9
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think the argument has merit.

Doesn’t make me happier, but it does have merit.

One of my concerns all along about how quickly and thoroughly some conservatives went all-in for Gingrich was the message it sends an unreliable pol such as himself. As I have said, I’m quite sure he’s had moments when he’s thought to himself, “Gawd these people are easy.”

OTOH, making the candidates work and work hard for the nomination will, in fact, tend to put them on notice that they owe us, big-time. How that notice is responded to once a man is actually President is really a function of personality and ego.


22 posted on 02/03/2012 4:30:25 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Jonah is usually not this stupid.

Perhaps Jonah wants to lay it on the line. But my question is, who will put up the first ad -- Axelrod or Gingrich?

"Jonah Goldberg says Mitt Romney has no core values -- Americans should ask, who is set to give Mitt his marching orders?"

Nothing Romney says on the stump means anything -- to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, "You'll know what Mitt Romney is after you put him in the White House and he reads the selected script."

23 posted on 02/03/2012 4:31:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A President Romney would be on a very short leash

Who’s going to hold back a RINO President? The GOP Congress that is itself run by a “moderate” majority? Will this short lease force him to push forward conservative policies? We need to elect a President that will put the liberals on defense. As long as conservatives are merely trying to hold back socialism, we will continue to lose ground. A vote for anyone less than a complete conservative is a vote for socialism.


24 posted on 02/03/2012 4:33:15 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: livius
Yesterday, I read in the WSJ editorial that they were prepared to spend the next months explaining what Romney “really meant” in his stupid utterances (and they clearly expect this to be a pattern) and that he was better than what he said. They’re prepared to run interference for him the way the other media ran interference for the idiot Joe Biden.

Do you honestly think that this same "interference" would not need to be run on Gingrich's behalf if he became the nominee?

Wowzer.

No matter who we nominate, we are going to have to be out there defending him on the basis of "what he meant to say." That's just the way it is.

25 posted on 02/03/2012 4:33:54 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: txhurl
George Soro's is OK with President Mitt or President Obama:

Gingrich's new ad is required watching!

JUST IN – A NEW GINGRICH AD — WATCH!

26 posted on 02/03/2012 4:33:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RKBA Democrat
How would mitt end up being a better President in the long run than barky would be as a lame duck?

Just off the top of my head, I can think of a couple of ways: The United States Supreme Court.

27 posted on 02/03/2012 4:35:45 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: RKBA Democrat
...Mr. Goldberg has fails to make the case for mitt very well. I still don’t see any good reason to vote for mitt in the primaries or the general. How would mitt end up being a better President in the long run than barky would be as a lame duck?

Perhaps Mr. Goldberg needs to make the case for Newt Gingrich..... and if not we should ask, why not?

28 posted on 02/03/2012 4:37:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hadaclueonce

“Mitt is mean to dogs and he is not worried about poor people.”

And he speaks French, too.


29 posted on 02/03/2012 4:39:48 AM PST by chuckee
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To: Utmost Certainty
Yep. The establishment wants a robot they can program to carry out their bidding.......

And why Donald Trump endorsed him.....he took the measure of the man and found that he could play him.

30 posted on 02/03/2012 4:39:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is the evidence you see that Gingrich will feel beholden to the conservative base and that that will keep him on a short leash rather than going down every rabbit hole that enters his mind?

Or do you just trust Gingrich implicitly?

Sincere questions.


31 posted on 02/03/2012 4:41:15 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: livius
.....Yesterday, I read in the WSJ editorial that they were prepared to spend the next months explaining what Romney “really meant” in his stupid utterances (and they clearly expect this to be a pattern) and that he was better than what he said. They’re prepared to run interference for him the way the other media ran interference for the idiot Joe Biden....

Why is Mitt Romney running? If you don't have core beliefs or a program, why do you run for the presidency? Power? Prestige? You were told to? You want to avenge your father? Be better than your father? Make your church mainstream? What!?

32 posted on 02/03/2012 4:44:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Because you cannot make a case for a junkyard dog when the American people have clearly voiced their preference for a lapdog.

If republicans wanted a pit bull at the bully pulpit, we’d have one. Instead, they like the spokesrats speaking on behalf of the Bichon Frise.


33 posted on 02/03/2012 4:44:29 AM PST by txhurl ('We need to be sudden and relentless.' Save the canons for the whites of their eyes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can’t vote for Obama, but I probably can’t vote for mitt either (remember his religion wants to rule America-and is blasphemous).

Don’t know what to do-much prayer to Jesus is required!


34 posted on 02/03/2012 4:45:49 AM PST by JSDude1 (NEWT 2012!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Crass. Unprincipled. Foolish.

In other words, Goldberg is the personification of what the formerly grand old party has become.


35 posted on 02/03/2012 4:46:09 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP: Hurtling down the road to join the Whigs, a hundred miles an hour on the Romney Express!)
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To: fightinJAG
....OTOH, making the candidates work and work hard for the nomination will, in fact, tend to put them on notice that they owe us, big-time. How that notice is responded to once a man is actually President is really a function of personality and ego.

That puts Gingrich ahead in this "game" as he does NOT want to "manage the decline" but wants to build on and renew the truth of American exceptionalism.

Newt does not want to "fix the safety net," preferring instead to bring back the "trampoline."

Newt wants to unleash people who dream, not "nurture" those who sit in dark rooms and rot.

36 posted on 02/03/2012 4:52:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: fightinJAG

I do not trust anyone implicitly but I sure as hell do want to know something about them. So.... I look at their record. Between Mitt and Newt — it’s Newt, hands down.


37 posted on 02/03/2012 4:55:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: fightinJAG

Here in the real world, in November 2012 America is going to elect one of these 3 men as President: barack obama, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich.

(Except that it probably isn’t going to be Newt).

So....that’s where we are.


38 posted on 02/03/2012 4:57:34 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: fightinJAG
-- Do you honestly think that this same "interference" would not need to be run on Gingrich's behalf if he became the nominee? --

Do you honestly think Gingrich is as vapid and gaffe bound as Biden is? Given fair audience by the press (which won't happen), Gingrich is more likely to provide rational explanation than Romney is.

39 posted on 02/03/2012 4:57:34 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: txhurl

“Because you cannot make a case for a junkyard dog when the American people have clearly voiced their preference for a lapdog.

If republicans wanted a pit bull at the bully pulpit, we’d have one. Instead, they like the spokesrats speaking on behalf of the Bichon Frise.”

Priceless!


40 posted on 02/03/2012 4:58:57 AM PST by battletank
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why is Mitt Romney running? If you don't have core beliefs or a program, why do you run for the presidency? Power? Prestige? You were told to? You want to avenge your father? Be better than your father? Make your church mainstream? What!?

Mittens sold his soul to Bain a long time ago. Bain Capital is a vulture capitalist that looks for wounded victims to loot. High on Bain's short list is USA, Inc.

41 posted on 02/03/2012 5:01:41 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Excellent post.

Romney would spend the tax-payers money with abandon. He has no concept of middle class family budgets and the taxes already imposed.

His experience in the ‘private sector’ will be transferred to the government - spending big on Federal agencies and find more reasons to start new agencies. He will not repeal Obamacare, close the Dept. of Ed, EPA or do anything about Fannie & Freddie or DOE. He is a speculator not a visionary.


42 posted on 02/03/2012 5:02:48 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Jonah is usually not this stupid.

This tripe made it seem like he got bit by the Ann Coulter bug.

43 posted on 02/03/2012 5:03:04 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So.... it really isn't about Mitt's electability (which is so bogus -- as well as the claim he is the only one who can help the GOP ticket down the line) -- no, it's about the GOP Establishment being able to control Mitt

If that is their rational for Romney fine but the way they have tried to destroy Newt with lies about the Ethics in the House and his support of Reagan is disgusting

Support the facts about both candidates and let the voters decide
44 posted on 02/03/2012 5:11:00 AM PST by uncbob
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To: sodpoodle
Romney would spend the tax-payers money with abandon. He has no concept of middle class family budgets and the taxes already imposed. His experience in the ‘private sector’ will be transferred to the government - spending big on Federal agencies and find more reasons to start new agencies. He will not repeal Obamacare, close the Dept. of Ed, EPA or do anything about Fannie & Freddie or DOE. He is a speculator not a visionary.

Yes. Mitt Romney will always see the American people as "investors" in his company and the GOP wants to fill Congress with Romney's board of directors.

45 posted on 02/03/2012 5:13:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A President Romney would be on a very short leash

Just what we need in the world today

Another spineless leader at the helm to deal with all the turmoil
46 posted on 02/03/2012 5:15:17 AM PST by uncbob
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To: fightinJAG

No, Gingrich actually says what he means and is perfectly intelligible.

Romney is either saying what he means and nobody wants to believe it, or he is so poorly spoken that he never manages to say what he means and thus needs “interpretation.” This has been a constant since the beginning.


47 posted on 02/03/2012 5:20:36 AM PST by livius
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To: uncbob

I know many FReepers like Rick Santorum but he has one of the same problems as Romney, he’s not inspiring.

However there also is one thing he doesn’t share with Romney and that is he doesn’t have GOP Establishment backing.

That is something Santorum shares with Gingrich (but since he’s not a threat to Mitt he’s not being reamed).

The one thing Gingrich does have that Mitt and Rick don’t have is his ability to inspire and teach, and that makes him the anti-Romney candidate for conservatives.


48 posted on 02/03/2012 5:21:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think it’s just ambition. He’s been running for President for years now, and it’s simply because he sees it as the ultimate big prize. Also, I suspect his Mormon delusions may have something to do with it.


49 posted on 02/03/2012 5:22:04 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

The fact that Mitt is a blank book with guarded emotions is RED flags all over for me.


50 posted on 02/03/2012 5:24:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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