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Grocery store shooter not charged, speaks about incident(WI)
jsonline.com ^ | 3 February, 2012 | Bruce Vielmetti

Posted on 02/03/2012 12:16:12 PM PST by marktwain

The Aldi customer who shot an armed robber in the store Monday won't face any criminal charges, prosecutors confirmed Friday.

Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm said the law allows use of reasonable force in threatening situations, regardless of whether the shooter has a concealed weapons permit.

"He disrupted an act that potentially exposed himself and others to great bodily harm," Chisholm said. Video footage from the store showed "he acted reasonably and in a controlled manner during the encounter," Chisholm said.

The customer, Nazir Al-Mujaahid of Milwaukee, held a news conference to discuss the incident. Al-Mujaahid, 35, called it nothing to brag about, but that "sometimes you have to do what you have to do."

Al-Mujaahid said he and his wife stopped at the store, at N. 76th St. and W. Villard Ave., for some last-minute dinner items. They'd never shopped at the store before, he said.

He said they had just walked in when he noticed the suspect approach the cashiers holding up a shotgun with the stock cut off and a bag, demanding money in a very agitated way. Fearing for the safety of himself, his wife and others in the store, he said, he unholstered his semi-automatic 9mm handgun, cocked it and kept it down at his side as he motioned another customer behind the robber to move away.

When the robber turned the shotgun toward him, Al-Mujaahid said, he fired six or seven shots from about 20 feet away. He said he hit the suspect in the leg and forehead. The robber then dropped the shotgun and bag, and fled the store. Police arrested a suspect and an accomplice later. They had not been formally charged as of Friday morning.

The whole process took less than 30 seconds, he estimated.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; robber; wi
The first well publicized use of a CCW permit in Wisconsin.
1 posted on 02/03/2012 12:16:22 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

two ‘words’ ...

.45 ACP

Why? because using his 9mm ... “he hit the suspect in the leg and forehead. The robber then dropped the shotgun and bag, and fled the store.”

Just.Damn.


2 posted on 02/03/2012 12:23:23 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: marktwain

“....regardless of whether the shooter has a concealed weapons permit.”

Sounds like the honorable Islamic gent did not actually have a permit. Otherwise, he acted properly.


3 posted on 02/03/2012 12:25:35 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Blueflag

Yep. Never shoot to wound. Drop ‘em.


4 posted on 02/03/2012 12:33:57 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: proxy_user

On the news today, they said he has had his CCW for 2 weeks.


5 posted on 02/03/2012 12:34:32 PM PST by ozaukeemom (No to Romney, no how, no way, no money, no vote)
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To: ozaukeemom

Then he is good from a legal point of view, but needs more practice at the range.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 12:36:35 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

Armed Izzies without permits to carry? Mummmmmmmmmmmmmm


7 posted on 02/03/2012 12:36:42 PM PST by RetiredArmy (POLITICIANS: Promise the moon. Deliver the shaft.)
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To: proxy_user
Then he is good from a legal point of view, but needs more practice at the range.

Although one should always aim for the center of mass, usually hitting someone in the forehead is also a successful strategy.

8 posted on 02/03/2012 12:41:26 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (When the night falls, it falls on me, and when the day breaks I'm in pieces.)
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To: Blueflag
“he hit the suspect in the leg and forehead.

A grazing hit in the head with a .45 ACP is not going to drop the perp.

Contrary to popular belief (in some quarters), NO pistol round is a magic death ray.

Mr. al-Mujaahid needs range time.

9 posted on 02/03/2012 12:45:29 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

No innocents injured. Bad guy bleeds. Congrats on a good shoot.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 12:50:33 PM PST by Brownie63
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To: ArrogantBustard; Blueflag
“he hit the suspect in the leg and forehead.

A grazing hit in the head with a .45 ACP is not going to drop the perp.

Generally, with a .45 to the leg alone, one is not going to run or flee anywhere, and will likely drop where they stand. I would imagine even a glancing strike to the forehead with the same round, would be like getting hit in the head with 5 pound hammer.

11 posted on 02/03/2012 12:59:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; Blueflag
Generally, with a .45 to the leg alone, one is not going to run or flee anywhere, and will likely drop where they stand.

Please DO NOT count on this happening.

Seriously.

The defender in this case fired "six or seven" shots, and achieved a forehead hit (certainly glancing, a solid forehead hit with a 9mm would decorate the opposite wall with brains) and leg hit. What happened to the other four or five shots?

They missed!

This is not a "minor caliber" (what a silly term!) problem, it's a poor marksmanship problem.

12 posted on 02/03/2012 1:10:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

when Aldi says they’re “bag your own” little did we know...


13 posted on 02/03/2012 1:11:25 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marktwain

WI CCW Bookmark.


14 posted on 02/03/2012 1:18:13 PM PST by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: marktwain; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ping

If you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list, just FReep mail me.


15 posted on 02/03/2012 1:38:24 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marktwain

Important notes:

The video surveillance showed that the CCW holder first got his pregnant wife to safety, good move. He also fired some 7 rounds at the shotgun perp after the bad guy aimed the shotgun at him. Also a good move, laying down a lot of lead instead of shooting once and looking.

But the clincher is that this was the first time the CCW holder had been in that particular store, which is a huge irony:

“In a news conference Friday morning, Al-Muhaahid said it was fate that he was in the Aldi store when he was. He believes had he known that guns *were not allowed* in that store, he would have never shopped there — because of his concealed carry beliefs.”

Apparently, the Aldi store had a sign that guns were prohibited, and he didn’t see it, nor would have he shopped there if he had!


16 posted on 02/03/2012 1:39:14 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: proxy_user
Sounds like the honorable Islamic gent did not actually have a permit. Otherwise, he acted properly.

If he was "Islamic" it disrupts my premise that no Islamic should be allowed to be armed. It worked out well in this situation and maybe I need to be less "knee jerk".

At least it's not reported that he screamed allah akbar or whatever the hell it is that the pagans scream when killing people for their god.

17 posted on 02/03/2012 1:41:32 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Blueflag

I was thinking the same thing. 20 feet and the dude can flee? If there ever was an argument against a 9mm, that should pretty much end it there!


18 posted on 02/03/2012 1:42:16 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: marktwain

The sign on the store probably is an attraction to armed robbers and, fortunately, was not noticed by the armed citizen.


19 posted on 02/03/2012 1:43:57 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Please DO NOT count on this happening.

Come on. The only thing one can count on in these types of situations is the hope you're quicker than the bad guy, and hope the bad guy goes down first, without you getting killed in the process.

I was simply explaining to you the impact difference between 9mm and a .45. The difference is substantial and not even debatable.

20 posted on 02/03/2012 1:44:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

hmmmm....we have several Aldi locations around here.
Have never noticed a sign saying you can’t bring your gun in. Will have to check closely next time.

We had a similar incident at a Foodland store around here about 15 yrs. ago. A guy was in the parking lot waiting for his wife who was shopping there. Through the windows he could see 3 young punks approach the front and start pistol whipping a cashier. He waited behind the hood of his truck with a deer rifle and plugged the first one between the eyes when he came out of the store. The other two fled. They did not prosecute. The armed robbery rate around there plummeted after that.


21 posted on 02/03/2012 1:45:23 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RetiredArmy
Armed Izzies without permits to carry? Mummmmmmmmmmmmmm

Not sure of the naming conventions in the Middle East, but can we tell whether he may have been Middle Eastern Christian?

22 posted on 02/03/2012 1:49:15 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: dragnet2
The only thing one can count on in these types of situations is the hope you're quicker than the bad guy, and hope the bad guy goes down first,

Right. I believe shot placement to have much more effect on downing the bad guy than caliber choice.

I was simply explaining to you the impact difference between 9mm and a .45.

No, actually, you were offering you unsubstantiated opinion on the topic.

If you want to go on believing it, that's your problem.

I no longer fight the "caliber wars" ... I just laugh at folks who believe in magic bullets.

23 posted on 02/03/2012 1:53:05 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Monitor

Sure, we can all slag on the guy for the missed shots and his choice of caliber, but he did stop a felony, the only one who got hurt was the bad guy, the bad guys are in custody, our hero managed to not soil himself when the shtf, and he is free and alive to tell his story.

If I ever have the pleasure of meeting Mr. Nazir Al-Mujaahid, I will happily buy him the beverage of his choice.


24 posted on 02/03/2012 1:59:04 PM PST by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Monitor
If I ever have the pleasure of meeting Mr. Nazir Al-Mujaahid, I will happily buy him the beverage of his choice.

Ditto. Thanks for keeping an eye on the ball.

5 out 7 misses, though, says that some extra range time is in order. Like that's a tribulation, esp if the beverages are afterwards. :-)

25 posted on 02/03/2012 2:29:43 PM PST by wbill
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To: COBOL2Java

No, on the news, they stated he was Muslim.


26 posted on 02/03/2012 2:31:09 PM PST by ozaukeemom (No to Romney, no how, no way, no money, no vote)
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To: RetiredArmy

He had his permit for two weeks.


27 posted on 02/03/2012 4:04:33 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: marktwain
And the robber has now been charged with this robbery, plus two other robberies in the area.
28 posted on 02/03/2012 4:09:35 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: marktwain
I would suggest he jam the tang into the crotch of his thumb nice and tight and hold his wrist with the off hand.

Should straighten things out considerably.

29 posted on 02/03/2012 4:14:48 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: rabidralph
Really? How grand!! They picked up an illegal around here on a traffic stop with a gun and his LEGAL permit!!! Just because it is legal, doesn't mean there is not a motive behind it. The bad guys KNOW we are armed. Even in WWII, the Japanese military leader, Admiral Yamamoto said that every American would be behind a tree with a gun! He had been here back then and knew way back in the 1930s that Americans were gun owners!!!
30 posted on 02/03/2012 5:19:13 PM PST by RetiredArmy (POLITICIANS: Promise the moon. Deliver the shaft.)
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To: RetiredArmy
I understand your skepticism. Here's a video of the guy explaining what happened in the grocery store. He seems real sincere.
31 posted on 02/03/2012 5:22:09 PM PST by rabidralph
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It's always the same crap on these threads. “Needs more range time”.

Range time and a gun fight are two different things. How many FReepers out there practice with someone downrange pointing a shotgun at them?

I don't care if I empty an entire magazine as long as I've at least put the guy down or stopped him. This guy stopped the threat without hurting any innocent bystanders. That's all that matters.

32 posted on 02/03/2012 5:40:19 PM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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Nazir Al-Mujaahid did well. No kill shots, but Nazir did his duty to protect his family and other citizens.

Well done, sir.


33 posted on 02/03/2012 5:58:36 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: ArrogantBustard
I was simply explaining to you the impact difference between 9mm and a .45.

No, actually, you were offering you unsubstantiated opinion on the topic.

Opinion?

Question, lets see if you can be honest. Hypothetically, if you had to take a round in the leg, would you prefer it to be from a 9 or .45?

My choice would be really easy, how about you?

34 posted on 02/03/2012 9:44:36 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: proxy_user
but needs more practice at the range.

Or a nice Crimson Trace on his handgun.

35 posted on 02/03/2012 11:20:11 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey; proxy_user; 2111USMC
Or a nice Crimson Trace on his handgun.

Well it might have helped with the first round.

But probably not. I am guessing that once the criminal turned his attention to Mr. Al-Mujaahid his adrenal gland dumped its load in to his blood stream and all of his muscles started to twitch, his range of vision shrunk down to the size of a dime so all he saw was the face of the criminal and his shotgun.

My guess is that the first shot hit the perp’s leg the second grazed his forehead and the rest landed in the upper shelves of groceries behind the perp or in the ceiling. I doubt that Mr. Al-Mujaahid had much thought of controlling the muzzle climb caused by the recoil of firing his weapon.

Unless you are competitive practical shooter you are not likely to practice the rapid fire shooting techniques that would help you keep your pistol on target in this type of situation.

Laser sights may have helped with the first shot but I doubt its usefulness with the other six.

I’ll side with 2111USMC in his post 32 when he says “Range time and a gun fight are two different things.”

36 posted on 02/04/2012 2:32:25 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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