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Did School Promote Communism over Capitalism?
Fox News.com ^ | February 3, 2012 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 02/03/2012 2:51:08 PM PST by Kaslin

Jeff Travis owns a small business in Des Moines and he is absolutely furious at a classroom flier that his son received from his high school social studies teacher.

The flier, given to students at Roosevelt High School, features a cartoon and slogans that seem to promote communism over capitalism.

“Communism stands for equal sharing of the work according to the benefits and the ability, but in capitalism an individual is responsible for his works and if he wants to raise the ladder,” the flier stated. “While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the capitalist structure belongs to the owner only.”

The cartoon represented capitalism by featuring an overweight businessman smoking a cigar while his workers were shackled. On the communism side, the cartoon showed happy workers earning loads of cash.

“I’m a businessman,” Travis told Fox News. “I took great offense. I don’t smoke big stogies. I don’t have a big gut. My employees are not shackled. If this was a fair representation, where is the fence around the workers on the communist side? Where is the guy holding a gun to their heads saying either comply or die? Where are the bodies that Stalin and Mao put in the graves.”

Travis said he spoke to the principal of the school and asked for an explanation. It’s been nearly a week and so far – he hasn’t received one.

“I couldn’t believe how slanted it was,” he said. “It wasn’t given as an example of propaganda. It was given as an example of capitalism and communism. I can’t believe they would hand out something like that.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: indoctrinationcamps; leftwing; socialists

1 posted on 02/03/2012 2:51:12 PM PST by Kaslin
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2 posted on 02/03/2012 2:53:06 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

We need another McCarthy.


3 posted on 02/03/2012 2:57:24 PM PST by RC2
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To: Kaslin

What would you expect from Obama/Romney people.


4 posted on 02/03/2012 2:58:03 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Kaslin
Teacher obviously believe he/she will benefit even more than they already are under communism.

How short sighted of him/her, and pretty damn ignorant. Communism rips the industrial spirit from the productive.

Taking away incentives for increased productivity in the private sector means the marginally talented who choose a career in public service will have less incoming tax money to fund their extravagant salaries and retirement pensions.

That, IMO, would be the silver lining.

5 posted on 02/03/2012 2:58:27 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

The stunner is that the school claims that it was “taken out of context”. They then provide the full context, and it’s worse than the original flyer. Apparently, they see nothing wrong with it.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 3:00:14 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Kaslin
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They claim they were presenting both sides of the argument. Funny that they show the capitalist workers with ball and chain.
7 posted on 02/03/2012 3:03:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin

Like every other public school in America


8 posted on 02/03/2012 3:06:23 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually if you just swapped the captions the cartoon would be quite accurate.


9 posted on 02/03/2012 3:07:28 PM PST by Argus
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To: GeronL

Yup.

William Ayers may be many things but stupid isn’t one of them. He realized that revolution wasn’t working his first way so he went into teaching the teachers and if this isn’t ended very soon, it will be too late if it isn’t already.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 3:08:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin

The only people who are for communism are those that believe they can’t make enough to live the way they want to live on their own.

If you bust your ass doing serious technical things, and some other shlep does janitorial work, and you both get paid the same...? The work isn’t equal. The work of the scientist or engineer is worth more than the guy who hands you a coffee. Who wants to bust their ass for no extra recognition and lack of proper renumeration for their work?


11 posted on 02/03/2012 3:10:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Argus

I was thinking the same thing. I have a couple of friends who were children in the Soviet Union. Their parents worked where they were told, vacationed when and where they were told, sought “medical” treatment where they were told....


12 posted on 02/03/2012 3:13:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin

Document the victims:

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/


13 posted on 02/03/2012 3:14:56 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Kaslin

This and that teacher in L.A. accused of bondage, is the state of our school system now. It may be to late.


14 posted on 02/03/2012 3:19:18 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: cripplecreek

I think it was 1936 when about 1,400 delegates showed up from all over the soviet union for the communist party congress. By 1940 almost every one of them was dead.


15 posted on 02/03/2012 3:21:03 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Secret Agent Man
If you bust your ass doing serious technical things, and some other shlep does janitorial work, and you both get paid the same...?

I read some SEIU literature a while back that suggested that everyone from a hospital administrator to the janitor should make the same money.

Why the hell would anyone spend years in school and a million dollars to become a brain surgeon when they could simply pick up a mop and go to work? I have no issues with janitors. Its good honest work and I did it myself for a while but the laws of supply and demand work the same with labor as they do with products. Our society has few people who can be brain surgeons and millions who can be janitors.
16 posted on 02/03/2012 3:22:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
“Who wants to bust their ass for no extra recognition and lack of proper renumeration for their work?”

No one. Taking the Olympics as an example, how many people would sacrifice their youth, get up a 5am every morning to train, for years, if everyone was given the same Gold medal for just showing up? Ironically, why were the Soviets so taken with their athletic quest for Gold medals? Shouldn't they have been for equal outcome?

The bottom line is that anyone and everyone who states they are a communist or true socialist is by definition a hypocrite. It's that simple and consistent.

17 posted on 02/03/2012 3:28:29 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: cripplecreek

The other thing is janitors don’t get sued if they screw up at work.

This country already tried this experiment in 1620. William Bradford figured it out within a year. The rest of the guys did as well - well the ones that survived, anyways.


18 posted on 02/03/2012 3:30:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: cripplecreek

Just some observations. There’s only one pure communist country left in the world (I don’t count North Korea because it’s just a pure dictatorship), and that’s Cuba. Every other country that People’s Republic in it (Vietnam, China, etc)...all run on pure capitalism now, and it’s just a name game.

People starved in Russia under Communism because no one could see the entire cycle of growing wheat, transporting wheat, making flour, and getting it to the shops.

No Communism country has ever come to the rescue of any other country (unless you want to count the invasion of Afghanistan by Russia), when they had famine, earthquakes, or massive floods.

Every single Communist worker that ever worked for a Russian enterprise....came home with just enough food to feed his family...and not much else.

Finally, the two drawings shown on this topic? I’d be guessing they were drawn by a 2nd year college student, and probably got him noted with a A-plus. Beyond that...he probably has no idea what a factory is built upon (risk) and how his lousy I-Phone got developed, manufactured, or shipped eight thousand miles to his local Apple shop.


19 posted on 02/03/2012 3:30:59 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: cripplecreek

I know a woman who was a history professor at University of Colorado in Denver and she told me that everyone should be paid equally. I asked her if gas station attendants should be paid as much as tenured professors or professors be paid as much as gas station attendants. No answer was forthcoming. She is retired now and collecting her very generous taxpayer subsidized pension.


20 posted on 02/03/2012 3:33:37 PM PST by albionin
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To: cripplecreek

Hey, where’s the armed guard behind the commie workers? They cut that part of the drawing off!

Here’s a joke from an old russian, comparing capitalism and communism.

“In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it’s other way around.”


21 posted on 02/03/2012 3:36:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: cripplecreek

I wonder how happy the hospital administrator would be, reduced to a janitor’s salary.


22 posted on 02/03/2012 3:38:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pepsionice

Vietnam is an interesting case. They claim communism but I think they call their economic system a “socialist-oriented market economy” which is fairly free and private entrepreneurship is encouraged at least as a means of generating revenue for the communist-ish govt.

Seems that even when communists turn to capitalism they don’t like admitting it.


23 posted on 02/03/2012 3:41:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: albionin

I have a cousin who works part time at Western Michigan University. She wants to be hired full time because full time employees get an hour of paid free time every day to work out in the gym.

That’s 5 paid hours per week per employee to do nothing.

Your Tuition dollars at work. LOL


24 posted on 02/03/2012 3:46:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
To hell with Ayres- most of my lessons around communism involve this guy and how communism inevitably ends up:
25 posted on 02/03/2012 3:50:28 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher
My all time favorite Norman Rockwell painting.

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Russian Schoolroom. Quite a powerful statement is being made.
26 posted on 02/03/2012 3:56:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RC2
Amen. Far too many of the younger generation have been raised with Hollywood commies. They're really not so bad, etc. etc. BS. Communism is about repression, control, misery, and death. Pretty much the exact opposite what any sane, free person would choose. Long past time some of these snot-noses had their noses rubbed in the cold hard facts about Lenin, Stalin, Che, Castro, etc.

The Berlin wall was there for a reason - and we (the west) did not build it. Think about it. People died all the time trying to escape commie countries, yet more still tried. Think about it. Still think socialism is such a great idea? People hated it so much they were willing to risk their lives to escape it.

27 posted on 02/03/2012 3:56:46 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cripplecreek
I have to say, after all the years of sacrifice to try to make something of myself, having come from a family in which my father never finished high school, I have an intense resentment of the Obamanoids and their socialist agenda.

Even if, as a doctor, they started to pay me the same as a janitor it's not like it would change my philosophy and I would all of a sudden embrace their pathetic parasitic world view. It wouldn't break my pride, and it wouldn't change who I was. Money is not what defines who I am. It's pride in the efforts I have made and continue to put in to do something worthwhile with my life.

Even if they lived in mansions and I had to live under a bridge to stay apart from them, I would do it. I'll never be like the leftist parasites, and they will never truly be happy with who they are, no matter how many handouts they get and how much they get the government to steal for them from others.

28 posted on 02/03/2012 4:01:33 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Argus
Here you go


29 posted on 02/03/2012 4:02:17 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

People need to storm these communist hellholes and read the administrators the riot act.

If you don’t push back against commies, they’ll continue destroying the country. Once you do push back, you’ll discover what cheap cowards they are.

I was in local government for nearly 20 years, and commies and leftists back down when confronted, always and without exception. Your silence and inaction is their strength.


30 posted on 02/03/2012 4:03:56 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: RC2

We are going to need a heck of allot more than a McCarthy moment, this country has been slithering down the communist road for 80 years, and this Komen incident confirms what I knew 2 days ago-—they would cave-in. Now when you donate to a liberal cause, you must donate to them for ever, unless you have no more to give, no matter how sickening the practices become. We are no longer free to have differing ideas, that’s called communism, period.


31 posted on 02/03/2012 4:05:58 PM PST by Joshua Marcus
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I'll never be like the leftist parasites

Same here. I'm poor and live with far less than many who spend their lives on welfare but the material things they have at the pleasure of the state are nothing more than chains of bondage.

Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.

-Thomas Jefferson
32 posted on 02/03/2012 4:07:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: albionin

She obviously realized that she put her foot in her mouth


33 posted on 02/03/2012 4:09:23 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you, now it looks right.


34 posted on 02/03/2012 4:12:15 PM PST by Argus
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To: cripplecreek

I admire your principles and your intellect. No, you will never be like the leftists.


35 posted on 02/03/2012 4:16:55 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: cripplecreek

“if this isn’t ended very soon, it will be too late if it isn’t already.’

It’s never too late in Michigan. Michigan is a strong home rule state. Local Michiganders have the power to impeach, remove, vote out and even throw local government leftists in prison.

I lived in Michigan for a good time. We kicked out police chiefs, indicted leftists in local government and threw fascist bureaucrats in prison. We completely overturned elections with recall petitions.

We put the fear of God into the commies in local government. Once people in Michigan learn about the power they have, much can be accomplished.

Michiganders have the power. Learn how to use it.


36 posted on 02/03/2012 4:18:32 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: cripplecreek
They claim they were presenting both sides of the argument. Funny that they show the capitalist workers with ball and chain.

Interesting, isn't it, that the evil capitalist is depicted wearing a shapka (fur hat), boots and an overcoat? This suggests that the original illustration traces directly to the Soviets, immediately pre- or post-Revolution.

37 posted on 02/03/2012 4:23:55 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: cripplecreek
I find this gets the attention of 14 year olds: "Ok, class, this is Soviet toilet paper. Now, what is paper made of?" "Um, wood." "Well, wood pulp.... What sort of things could you find in toilet paper that isn't made very well?" "Splinters!" or "Bark!". "Yes indeed. Well, in the Soviet Union, they were paid the same whether they did a good job, or a bad job, so they did a bad job. Guess what's in this toilet paper?"
38 posted on 02/03/2012 4:24:00 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: sergeantdave

Michigan is definitely coming around even if we have to drag our state government kicking and screaming. We see the right to work law in Indiana as a big win for us because it will light a real fire under our legislature.


39 posted on 02/03/2012 4:25:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

“Michigan is definitely coming around even if we have to drag our state government kicking and screaming.”

I pray you’re right, buddy.

That commie c**t granholm owes me and other good Michigan citizens a fortune. That bitch destroyed my financial positions in Michigan.

That POS RINO Cox refused to indict that whore for the grand theft she committed under the asinine “Cool Cities” farce. He had all the evidence presented to him and refused to prosecute.

The amount of money that granholm stole and gave to the racist, black panther thieves in Detroit is well over $1 billion.

She stole the heritage of my children and the fortune of children of other good Michiganders.

God damn that whore to hell.

Other than that, best wishes to you and yours, cripplecreek.


40 posted on 02/03/2012 6:44:17 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Kaslin

How many government school teachers taught that this week was National School Choice Week?


41 posted on 02/03/2012 7:45:37 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: cripplecreek

AP US Government and US History work hard to reinforce the liberal agenda, Leftist world perspective and make certain that school children don’t love their country. Who in their right mind would let a Leftist teach impressionable children?


42 posted on 02/03/2012 7:52:17 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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