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Tips If You are Kidnapped
Foxnews ^ | 02/12/2012 | NA

Posted on 02/03/2012 6:59:47 PM PST by Carbonsteel

Daniel Karson, chairman of business intelligence and investigations at the security firm Kroll, says if you are abducted it’s important to remain calm and do as your kidnappers say.

“Do not resist, do your best to maintain your composure. If it is kidnapping for ransom, chances are good you’ll at some point, you’ll be exchanged,” he says.

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This is the kind of advice the "experts" used to tell people in the event of a hijacking.

How did that advice work out on 9-11?

Always fight back! The sooner the better! Don't let anyone tell you that you should just lay down and take it.

1 posted on 02/03/2012 6:59:50 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

Your??

Really?


2 posted on 02/03/2012 7:03:41 PM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Did I miss the part where it said, “Pull out your concealed weapon and fire it at the center mass of your kidnapper?”


3 posted on 02/03/2012 7:04:12 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Carbonsteel

I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.


4 posted on 02/03/2012 7:04:49 PM PST by wastedyears (Not too long you devious little parathyroid. Soon I'll be rid of you and I'll be free.)
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To: Carbonsteel
Screw that.

Better to die right there, which probably won't happen because kidnappers are cowards. If things don't go their way, they will scurry off like rats.

5 posted on 02/03/2012 7:06:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Carbonsteel

“Do not resist, do your best to maintain your composure. If it is kidnapping for ransom, chances are good you’ll at some point, you’ll be exchanged,”

My S&W 500 begs to differ.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 7:07:53 PM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: Larry Lucido

If you are kidnapped and taken like Elizabeth Smart, and walked across a field, lay a trail of pee down along the path, just every so often without the knowledge of the kidnapper. Great trail for the dogs.

BA


7 posted on 02/03/2012 7:08:29 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Yeah, it seems that no hostile situation ever gets better the longer it goes one. Nip it in the bud.


8 posted on 02/03/2012 7:09:32 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Carbonsteel

People who give you that kind of advice are those “authorities” with a vested interest in maintaining a complete monopoly over defensive force. They are a pestilence on society, what they promote brought us 9-11 and made a Connecticut doctor into a traumatized, childless widower. May God have mercy on them.


9 posted on 02/03/2012 7:10:15 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: Larry Lucido
Your?? Really?

That's such a common error and a testament to our "fast food" mentality society. Phonetics. I've been guilty of making that same typo.

However, I would say to fight with all your worth to keep any scumbags from snatching you, but I've never been in that situation--thank God.

10 posted on 02/03/2012 7:10:47 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Carbonsteel
Daniel Karson is wrong.
You don't want to be taken to Crime Scene #2.
11 posted on 02/03/2012 7:11:14 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Absolutely! Make a fuss, scream, make it very difficult for someone to carry you off but don’t give in and let them stuff you in a trunk.


12 posted on 02/03/2012 7:11:52 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Carbonsteel

“First, he says, don’t dress like an American. “Lose the baseball cap. If you are wearing jeans, a sweat shirt with the name of an American college on it and Nike sneakers, you’re advertising yourself as a Westerner.”
Karson advises to travel in large groups, don’t go off the beaten path and hire a reputable local guide who speaks the local language and, if needed, can negotiate on your behalf. And he says, no matter where you go, never leave home without a flashlight, GPS phone, and if you have a medical condition, a supply of your prescription drugs. Leave another supply of your prescription drugs secured in your hotel room along with a copy of your passport.”

Or, don’t go to countries with a large Muslim population.


13 posted on 02/03/2012 7:15:26 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Carbonsteel

Have you ever read
The Ransom of Red Chief?”


14 posted on 02/03/2012 7:15:55 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: rabidralph

Rule #1 — Don’t allow yourself to end up in their car. Odds of dying dramatically increase if you get into the car/trunk. Run or fight — these options increase your odds of survival. Meekly doing what the bad man wants is just suicide.


15 posted on 02/03/2012 7:17:33 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (When the night falls, it falls on me, and when the day breaks I'm in pieces.)
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To: HIDEK6

“Did I miss the part where it said, “Pull out your concealed weapon and fire it at the center mass of your kidnapper?””

I’m sure it’s in the article somewhere.

If every passenger on the bus being hijacked pulled out a handgun and shot back, there would be a lot fewer kidnappings, even in Muslim countries. Of course, our president would probably try to prosecute the shooters for hate crimes or something. At a minimum, the shooters aren’t being good sports.


16 posted on 02/03/2012 7:18:42 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Carbonsteel

I’m with the rest of the survivors here.

Kill them then dial 911 and ask to be transferred to the cleanup dept.


17 posted on 02/03/2012 7:22:08 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Or, don’t go to countries with a large Muslim population.

Or a country that has a high density of drug cartels.

18 posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:35 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ModelBreaker
Armed Pax
19 posted on 02/03/2012 7:41:27 PM PST by null and void (Day 1110 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Eaker

Eaker, You remind me of this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBACYFpqeyU


20 posted on 02/03/2012 7:46:12 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: mnehring

Together, we have developed a simple travel algorithm:

Good Places to Travel without Being Kidnapped = NOT(Lots of drug cartels OR Large Muslim population)

Or you could follow all the rules in the article, pretending not to be who you are. I bet our algorithm is better than 95% accurate in making predictions.


21 posted on 02/03/2012 7:52:40 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: null and void

Too bad we don’t have a “like this post” button here on FR. I would have had to use it on your cartoon.


22 posted on 02/03/2012 7:56:42 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: lonestar

Have you ever read
“The Ransom of Red Chief?”

Now THAT’S a seminar in how to escape from kidnappers.


23 posted on 02/03/2012 8:06:35 PM PST by stanne
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To: HIDEK6

Did I miss the part where they sat that at close range head shots may save ammo for the next bad guy?


24 posted on 02/03/2012 8:16:49 PM PST by MtnClimber (Tim Tebow will never be successful in the NFL - Leftist journalists who have sold their souls)
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To: Carbonsteel

Carry firearm..... Kill kidnappers.

Empty their wallets of any Federal Reserve Notes that may be there, and then call the police.


25 posted on 02/03/2012 8:22:33 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ModelBreaker

I’ve heard about folks who’ve gotten those Conch Republic passports who got out of kidnappings because the kidnappers didn’t think they were from the US.


26 posted on 02/03/2012 8:25:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: stanne

We’ve all known several “Red Chiefs.” LOL!


27 posted on 02/03/2012 8:42:36 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Eat like a hog. Fat people are harder to kidnap!


28 posted on 02/03/2012 8:43:09 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: Carbonsteel

I was taught in my conceal and carry class that if someone is trying to kidnap you, a women, start screaming the worse obscenities you can think of. As loud as you can, cuss like a barroom tramp. He said men who kidnap woman usually look for the quiet submissive woman and that’s why he chose you. He said forget your a Christian, and raise hell, God will understand. I learned a lot in that class. The teacher was an retired attorney turned minister turned gun collector/firearm trainer...what a guy. He also said never get into a car, fight, run, do whatever because once your in the car your chances of getting away safely are low.


29 posted on 02/03/2012 9:07:03 PM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Carbonsteel

I cannot imagine more foolish advice. Go ballistic. Scream, scratch (tissue samples for later whether you’re alive or dead), kick, bite, and if you happen to be armed, take as many of the bastards with you as you possibly can. There are no benign kidnappings except in the movies. They will do things to you to encourage the ransom payment if that’s even what they’re after, which you will not know from the outset. They will cut off bits of you and send them home in little boxes. They will kill you to prevent a witness. Never, never, NEVER cooperate!


30 posted on 02/03/2012 9:23:12 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Carbonsteel
Daniel Karson, chairman of business intelligence and investigations at the security firm Kroll, says if you are abducted it’s important to remain calm and do as your kidnappers say.

“Do not resist, do your best to maintain your composure. If it is kidnapping for ransom, chances are good you’ll at some point, you’ll be exchanged,” he says.

What a stupid dumb ass liberal.... typical advice for those who will always opt for appeasement & capitulation and most likely death if you follow this stupid advice. Instead one should scream, holler, fight back, die fighting rather than tied up and beheaded or shot in the head while being forced to kneel in a position of subjection.

Liberals are so mentally retarded with twisted cockeyed values, that they believe it is somehow morally superior for a young lady to be raped & strangled with her own panty hose, rather than defending herself with a concealed weapon against her scumbag assailant, who deserves to die anyway.

31 posted on 02/03/2012 9:26:53 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: lonestar

Off subject- O’Henry has many great stories. He lived in and wrote about both Texas and NYC during, I want to say, the turn of the century.

Check “The Princess and the Puma”.


32 posted on 02/03/2012 9:43:15 PM PST by stanne
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To: Carbonsteel

I know I read somewhere I can’t remember that if you are a child or woman and a man grabs you and puts you in his car, you have a much higher percentage of surviving if you grab the steering wheel and cause a head on collision then you do by sitting quietly and hoping he’ll let you go after he does what he’s going to do. Fight all the way.


33 posted on 02/03/2012 10:30:02 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: All

Once you are taken to another location, you are almost guaranteed to be killed.

Resist as much as possible on the spot.

Run off in a zig-zagging pattern as it makes it harder to get shot.

Most of these criminals can’t hit a stationary target at 7 yards, let alone 7 feet.

Like others have said, yell, scream, raise holy hell, resist, but do not allow yourself to be taken to another location as you will likely be killed.

This “Don’t resist” advice crap is a dream come true for for criminals.


34 posted on 02/03/2012 10:38:46 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ( www.zombietime.com - The true face of the left that the MSM refuses to cover.)
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To: mnehring

“I’ve heard about folks who’ve gotten those Conch Republic passports who got out of kidnappings because the kidnappers didn’t think they were from the US.”

The whole “I’m an orphan” ploy worked pretty well in “The Pirates of Penzance.”


35 posted on 02/03/2012 11:54:30 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Carbonsteel
The location where the kidnapper has the least amount of control or power is at the very beginning. Scream FIRE, fight, bite, kick, with every ounce of energy you have. If that doesn't work or you expend all of your energy, become dead weight. It is very hard for just one person to carry or drag another. All of these things consume time. The perp had wanted this to go quietly and most of all QUICKLY. They want to move from the initial location immediately, if this doesn't go as planned they will panic and flee.

Oh, you might get shot or stabbed you say? If you go with them you are very likely dead anyway. If you are going to be injured, it's better if you are somewhere familiar to you where help is readily available, instead of in some remote location miles from help if you knew which way to go.

NEVER go WILLINGLY. Make them pay, then make them carry you, kicking and screaming (literally).

36 posted on 02/04/2012 12:27:32 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman

I believe that the only woman to escape from serial killer Ted Bundy was the fraile young lady who fought him tooth-and-nail, even after he had managed to get one of her hands cuffed. She eventually identified him in a lineup and gave testimony in a later trial.


37 posted on 02/04/2012 12:50:13 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Are you objecting to “your” in the third line?

Turn in your spelling police badge.


38 posted on 02/04/2012 1:32:33 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Carbonsteel

It really depends on the situation, but if it’s a small-timer (or even several people) carjacking you in a public place, NEVER, EVER, go with them. In general they will give up on you if you fight them loud and hard. If not, they’ll kill you there, which is still better than what they had in store for you.


39 posted on 02/04/2012 2:26:32 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Newt will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: tdscpa

Headline.

It got fixed.


40 posted on 02/04/2012 2:27:55 AM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: stanne
The Princess And The Puma
41 posted on 02/04/2012 2:30:18 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

If you are correcting my grammar and usage you will be disappointed in this case.


42 posted on 02/04/2012 7:42:48 AM PST by stanne
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To: Linda Frances

That sounds like an excellent class.


43 posted on 02/04/2012 7:48:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stanne
If you are correcting my grammar and usage you will be disappointed in this case.

My intent was to post a link to a good story you mentioned.

44 posted on 02/04/2012 8:03:05 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

I think I need a cup of coffee.

Thanks for the link. I hope others will check it.


45 posted on 02/04/2012 8:11:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: Carbonsteel

First off, very few kidnapped people are told up front, “Easy now, we’re just going to hold you for ransom.”

Kidnappings happen in violent ways by being snatched. Nearly every person snatched is later killed.

Fight back immediately and violently. Kill the SOBs. Picture them dead in their own pools of blood. Picture them slaughtered in a mass of unrecognizable blood and guts. Then make it happen, immediately. Not later. Not in a few seconds. Not one there is an “opportunity”. Every millisecond means they have an advantage. Kill them, kill them NOW!

I used to teach self defense to women. I start the first class by grabbing on from behind. I then ask her what she imagined, and everyone imagines the bad guy on top of her raping her. I have to change that for them. They instead need to imagine the bad guy dead with his blood all over the place because she raged on his ass. She shot him, knifed him, poked his eyes out, ripped off his lips, and stabbed him repeatedly, slit his throat, whatever violence it takes for him to be dead right there right now.

Kidnap victims, same thing. Whatever violence it takes.


46 posted on 02/04/2012 8:59:23 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: Carbonsteel

Rules to ponder:

1. If you can’t see you can’t fight: slash or poke their eyes and blind them. Most perps will not be expecting this.

2. If you can’t breath, you can’t fight: Slash the throat, punch to the solar plexus, break the nose so that blood goes down the throat.

3. If you can’t stand, you can’t fight: A hard kick to the side of the knees is quite effective in bringing some one down. Also tripping. Being suddenly dumped on your butt is psychologically alarming and may end the fight.


47 posted on 02/04/2012 10:25:58 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

If you can’t think, you can’t fight: decapitate them.


48 posted on 02/05/2012 12:43:52 AM PST by tdscpa
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