Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 5 February 2012
Posted on 02/05/2012 5:12:53 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
February 5th, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): 2012 GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum; Gov. Bob McDonnell, R-VA; former Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Okla.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): 2012 GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich; New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg; Govs. Mitch Daniels, R-Ind., and Deval Patrick, D-Mass.; Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Gingrich; former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
THIS WEEK (ABC): 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Govs. Martin O'Malley, D-Md., and Bob McDonnell, R-Va.; Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council; Dick Armey, chairman of FreedomWorks; Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala.
12:00 PM - 1:00 PM NBC's "Meet the Press"
1:00 PM - 2:00 PM ABC's "This Week"
2:00 PM - 3:00 PM "Fox News Sunday"
3:00 PM - 4:30 PM CNN's "Late Edition"
4:30 PM - 5:00 PM CBS's "Face The Nation"
Listen at the link above WHILE you FReep!
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The Sunday Morning Bray, by Bray!
This is how we know what LOVE is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 1 John 3:16
We just lost a special election here in Oregon where the establishment ran a self described moderate and lost twice in a row. When all of the experts try to explain that you have to run the perfect candidate to satisfy the moderates you need to ask them by what proof do they come up with that truth? There is more proof of Global Warming than moderate candidates winning elections so why do we treat it as gospel? As they point to all the Tea Party candidates who cost us elections we have seen in liberal Oregon that moderates dont fare any better and will be painted as rabid conservatives so why not run rabid conservatives who can defend themselves.
We ran a really nice guy who has a great family and is a small business owner who in many ways agrees with conservatives however he never really understood conservatism or how it relates to freedom. He not only didnt have the ability to articulate it but he was told to make sure not to say anything that would offend the moderates or the media so he didnt. In addition, the campaign as well as the Party used every means possible to make sure the volunteers never came in contact with the people to potentially say something that would offend them or the media. So to control the message and make sure no Tea Party message went out they ran the entire outreach by phone. What we ended up with was a vanilla campaign and unenthused voters who never showed up with their ballots.
The excuses are as varied as the imaginations of those who ran this anemic campaign, from being outspent 5 to 1 or a 14% voter registration margin to mailers that lied, but in the end the Republicans never showed up. When you dont excite the conservatives you dont get the money or their votes. These of course are obstacles to a campaign but they can be overcome by an aggressive attack with a candidate who can take the fight to the enemy. You will never beat the Dems by playing defense since they will always fire up their troops and get their voters out at the end.
We tried helping by running a strictly grassroots campaign to try to finally break the 35 year drought our district has had electing Dems and in the end couldnt do it. We were hamstrung by the Party and the campaign to the point of our precinct organizers being told not to organize their precincts or go door to door for fear of them saying the wrong thing. When they were asked if they could go door to door to bring in the ballots for our vote by mail we were told absolutely not, they only wanted phone callers and nothing else. This is so they could protect their precious message of nothingness.
As bad and incompetent as this campaign may have appeared it is a perfect mirror of what the Mitt campaign will look like. Just like Oregon the national experts know exactly how and who to promote to win the election and manage the message. They believe they have the perfect vanilla anti-Tea Party message to win over those movable moderates when what they think they know is the exact opposite. Nationally we need a strong crusader for our message to move and educate those moderates or we will have the same exact result we had for our election. There is no difference between Oregon and the liberal cities. The free stuff message Ohbummer will be spreading which will be going against a stiff liberal Republican trying to outgive him and will never work.
With Mittwit we are heading down the path of destruction of the Party. Not only will it further divide the Tea Party from the Country Club as it did here it has almost zero chance of succeeding. We need to unite the Party and the only one who has a chance of doing that is a Conservative. A Conservative can bring the Tea Party on board where half of your activists exist as well as reluctantly bring the Country Club as they have to compare him to Ocommie which should be no comparison even to them. Our election should be a huge warning that in a district that could have been won was lost by the experts in the Country Club who manipulated, bought and used Stalinist central planning techniques to manage the loss.
They will blame the voter imbalance, money and any number of excuses but it is a very good primer of what is going to happen in the fall if we nominate Romney who does not generate enthusiasm from the Conservative base and the Party relies on moderating their way to victory. His stiff demeanor will not connect with liberals and will be painted as a radical, rich, old guy Conservative no matter how liberal he actually is. He will have no defense against those charges other than being more liberal and alienating the base who wont vote.
The bottom line is here in Oregon we were lectured and manipulated by the so called experts how this candidate gave us the perfect opportunity to win and the experts were wrong. These experts are either incompetent, corrupt or in alliance with the other side. In the end they get paid the same whether the candidate wins or loses so what have they got to lose. These managers are not ideologues but hired guns to manage a campaign and as long as the phone calls are being made and meetings being attended then the losses were managed well.
Our election is a warning to America that their moderate theory is flawed. Choose wisely since there are some powerful people wanting this election to turn out exactly how they would like. Dont let what happened to Oregon happen to America so be a bit pragmatic to unite and work hard for Gingrich to defeat the Country Club. He is not perfect but right now it is him or the Moderate Republican establishment and a sure loss to Obama just like Oregon.
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Note: The above opinion is not necessarily mine, but FReeper Brays. If you wish to discuss this, please ping Bray.
Has anyone else begun to wonder if these Sunday “hosts” are on the DNC payroll?
Hmmmm ... Romney is absent, again.
CNN shows Mike Rogers from Ala. My rep is Mike Rogers from Michigan. I didn’t know there were two.
One thing about zealots ... they will do the work without being paid.
Yes, for over 12 years.
That includes most of the regulars who post on this thread.
Actually, he is “almost” my own Representative. The Tallaposa river splits my town and the east side is Mike Rogers district (3rd) and the west side, where Fortress Babylon is located, is in the 2nd.
Great guy, great conservative, but tends to like to bring home a lot of bacon. He needs to become more conservative on fiscal issues.
Like last weekend, the liberal Romney is no where to be found on the news shows.
Could it be that in Bray’s district in Oregon , as well as nationally, The Party would rather lose to the Democrats than win with a Conservative?
He’s playing prevent defense. His team doesn’t feel the need to take any chances.
As you appropriately said there is just no substitute for beachballs vs. Milk Duds hanging between a candidates legs.
You can't fake conservatism. You either have it and everything that goes with it or you are outted as a fake.
As for national elections such as the one we are currently engaged in its become a huge PR event.The man with the most DBM ads buying votes from the most stupidest voters declared the winner.
Should Romney be the eventual nominee we will have but one chance to ignite our side and their names are Marco or Sarah.
Without one of the two on the ticket our base goes into a sad malaise and without our base....we'll you get the rest.
Yes, Thruth29, I do believe that is true.
They are gaming all of us. It’s a very hard row to hoe, but the TEA party protests weren’t enough. We’ve got to muscle into their meetings, committees and gatherings and take them over. A lot of hard work, but it’s got to be done.
Good morning, all
“His team doesnt feel the need to take any chances.”
Agreed. After some of his statements in the last week or 2, they need to keep him underwraps, lest he make another gaffe that he has to walk back - you know, explain to people what he reallllly meant.
I don't care about the rich or the poor...equates to us working folks who fill the Washington coffers with our tax money.
Do you really think the Conservatives are going to fall for the token conservative on the ticket trick again? Look how they managed Palin’s message so she could never say anything and they will do it again.
That is just pandering.
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Guy in FL is suing Gingrich Team for roughing him up for supporting another candidate.
Sounds like FR at times.
-aniacs and bots can be vicious.
Morning Everyone, biscuit time!
Could be good!
Thanks for the thread Mr AB!
All true. He'd be good at managing the decline. Then he can sell off the remnants at a profit. He has the experience.
right to the point.
I got up close and personal with the campaign this election and yes many believe we have people in high places who would rather the Dems win. We certainly have leaders who undermined the Tea Party candidates.
Campaign managers get paid the same no matter what the outcome.
The good news is we are building a campaign program that works against the money people and may have shown some interesting results. The campaign even invited me on the stage for the concession speech. So a FReeper was touching the inner circle as I wore a T-Shirt in the Country Club.
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Gingrich on Meet The Press-”Romney does not care about the poor, the unemployment figures are higher than they say. People simply quit looking. We will lose with a moderate candidate. We cannot manage Social Secuirty at the margins. Needs to be dramatically changed. Big difference in my plan for the poor compared with Romneys: Romney wants automatic increases in min. wage. I am for much bolder tax changes than he is. I have a 15 percent tax plan. Fill out one page. Bring govt. down to the revenue level.” Newt driving home the fact that the unemployment figures being put out are bogus. “Obama has ANTI-AMERICAN energy policy. His policies have consistently weakened this country! He has basically declared war on the Catholic church.”
Newt taking on Gregory...bitch slaps him down with logic and facts.
Gregory running SNL skit about Gingrich and lunar colony.
Newt slightly amused.
Not on the payroll, they ARE the DNC.
I don't like it any more that you do but here's the problem.
Newt had a huge victory in SC. At that time he needed 8 or 10 more huge donors like Sheldon Adelson. He needed big money guys who could dump 5 million at a time into his campaign coffers. For one reason or another they failed to materialize.
Absent millions to spend on advertising to solicit votes from the dumbest of voters Newt was destroyed in Fla. Is their any reason at all to think that same scenario won't be replayed over and over and over.
Newt's message,one he is giving right on on MTP and is brilliant is not heard by all. How many middle of the roaders,uninformed Republicans/NPA's who decide elections,are hearing his message?
It's just like Orly Taitz trying to go after the regime with no Mark Levin and without millions in her bank account. Things don't happen in a void. Everything happens for a reason.We are seeing that reason unfold before us. Am I unhappy that we don't have a Palin/Romney or Rubio/ Romney ticket? Dam right. Is there anything at all I can do about the unfolding of our current candidates at this point? I'm all ears.
That's why I call them RATagandists.
Absent a Palin or Rubio as VP I see little enthusiasm here should we get a Romney ticket.
JC Watts on Myths "I don't care about the poor" comment:
Watts said, (paraphrasing) Regarding the safetynet...Why do we have to judge compassion by how many people we have on food stamps, rather than how few people we have on food stamps?
Quite a few will. I won't. The only position on the ticket that matters is the top, in my book. I went against my conscience when I voted for McCain (based on my favorable opinion of Palin), and in hindsight, that was a gross error on my part.
I can see where Romney wins, I just don’t see Romney as being able to get super majorities in the Senate, and only because the Democrats have not inspired confidence, economically speaking. Can Romney explain what is so rotten in the (non)Affordable Health Care bill as to express the urgency of eliminating it off the books? Nobody read the bill, as HHS Sebelius is still writing it...
Could that be a good thing for us... I mean, that Mitt is afraid to do the shows and off the cuff things?
We think of Mitt as being tightly scripted and unlikely to say anything to hurt himself, but he’s not quite got that act perfected.
We tend to hold our breath when Newt is interviewed because he can be great or go off on a wild tangent.
I haven’t watched Santorum this morning... wondering what he will say to convince people he still has a chance.
Morning AB, All.
Good to see y’all up and about this morn. As always, thank you AB for doing this thread. On Sundays I get up, prepare my morning ablutions, and sit down with daily meds and morning coffee, secure that when I click in, the Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread shall be there.
Not much major going on down here in the swamps except that, get this, I somehow, without even opening my mouth, ended up as campaign treasurer for some guy running for county council.
Well I’m thinking I musta opened my mouth somewhere but I don’t know where, I’m thinking maybe I was surreptitiously drugged or some such.
Just got the link to the Delaware campaign finance laws and am....TADA....A campaign Treasurer.
Someday I shall shut my big mouth that this sort of thing does not happen to me.
He was my represrentative and has done a pretty good job....my districk has change and now I will have Aderholt. Rogers is backing Romney:(
Football analogy (forgiven, I hope, since it’s Super Bowl Sunday)... we’ve all seen teams get ahead and then play defense and lose.
Let’s hope this happens to Mitt.
Let’s just keep eating each other up and the last man standing will be Barrack Obama. Sounds like a geat strategy to me.
Let’s just keep eating each other up and the last man standing will be Barrack Obama. Sounds like a geat strategy to me.
I was minding my own business, watching This’ Weak with Stepinawfulpis, George Will et all campaigning for Myth and Obama, right up until Puffingtongue pop onto my screen an spoke her first word....
Changed the channel immediately.