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Sacrificing the desert to save the Earth
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 5, 2012 | By Julie Cart

Posted on 02/05/2012 6:24:31 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Environmentalists are torn over the high cost of breaking reliance on fossil fuels.

Industrial-scale solar development is well underway in California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah. The federal government has furnished more public property to this cause than it has for oil and gas exploration over the last decade — 21 million acres.

In the fight against climate change, the Mojave Desert is about to take one for the team.

"I have spent my entire career thinking of myself as an advocate on behalf of public lands and acting for their protection," said Johanna Wald, a veteran environmental attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council. "I am now helping facilitate an activity on public lands that will have very significant environmental impacts. We are doing it because of the threat of climate change. It's not an accommodation; it's a change I had to make to respond to climate."

That unusual collaboration — along with generous federal subsidies and allotments of public land — has sparked a wholesale remodeling of the American desert.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: brightsource; caenergy; climatechange; climategate; desert; energy; fraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; hoax; ivanpah; kennedy; mojave; mojavedesert; nrdc; rfkjr; sierraclub; solar; solarfraud


1 posted on 02/05/2012 6:24:45 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gee, do you think they did an ‘environmental impact’ study?

If they did it probably went something like this..

“It’s to save the earth? **APPROVED** “


2 posted on 02/05/2012 6:29:58 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So, the undesirable option is to destroy millions of acres of land to save the planet from climate change?

Should have promoted more nukes.


3 posted on 02/05/2012 6:31:18 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Save the desert? I live here, and yes, there are truly amazing and beautiful places. We went for a long hike just yesterday in the mountains. Gorgeous!

OTOH, there are huge swaths of dead, arid land. There should be NO DEBATE on development of these areas. Nuclear, waste management or otherwise. Heck, the water table in the Mojave can be 1,000 feet like in the dead ghost town of "Santa Claus" Arizona.

What environmental impact? The only impact I've seen from the EPA types in all my years is their sheer stupidity.

4 posted on 02/05/2012 6:43:12 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I notice the article didn’t specify how much the “environmentalists” were paid to shut up, only that they “had a seat at the table” (dining on desert tortoise)


5 posted on 02/05/2012 6:46:43 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: umgud

If this wsn’t so pathetic it would be funny.

One friggin odd looking frog can stop a bridge, some tadpoles can stop them from supplying water to the San Juoquin California valleythat feeds thousands.

A turtle can stop off road recreationists from driving across the desert, but they will sacrifice millions of acres on an unproven energy that will kill everthing underneath it.


6 posted on 02/05/2012 6:48:32 AM PST by Venturer
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; SolitaryMan; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; grey_whiskers; ApplegateRanch; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 02/05/2012 6:48:32 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The whole article points out that “envirionmental whackos” are perfectly content to destroy the environment as long as it's to promote something they approve of politically.
The same groups that would be screaming like banshees to prevent any other development on “sacred” ground because it might intefere with the mating habits of the desert cockroach are bullying the local chapters to remain silent.
In the end, the taxpayers will be forced to pay five times the normal rate for electricity, the “developers” will pocket billions in federal dollars, the unions will pocket their share and the plants will fall apart once the free money dries up.
8 posted on 02/05/2012 6:53:18 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This solar thing has gotta be the biggest scam ever. Lot of money to be made - all off the back of the goobermint.


9 posted on 02/05/2012 6:53:18 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

10 posted on 02/05/2012 7:03:38 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here where I live close to Palm Springs The BLM recently allowed a company to put huge towers on pristine mountain tops to study the potential for wind turbines.This is land where if they catch you riding a motorcycle or driving your jeep they can(and will) arrest you.They flew these towers in by helicopter and erected them in one day without any notification whatsoever just BAM they were there. The local ecofreaks almost had a stroke.Some of then even had the balls to ask me to sign a petition to stop them after they literally screamed at us off road people during land use meetings. Now I'm just laughing at them.
11 posted on 02/05/2012 7:09:54 AM PST by johnny reb (I Have Not Yet Begun To Tea Party!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I really have no problem with the plan itself, but are the power bills from the 140,000 homes going to repay the taxpayers, or does some dem donor own the electric and solar companies and is going to reap the rewards thus trickling back to obama?


12 posted on 02/05/2012 7:15:46 AM PST by paintriot (Newt 2012 & 2016 Thinking long term!)
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To: Bigh4u2

So it’s ok for them to sacrifice certain creatures for the good of the masses.


13 posted on 02/05/2012 7:19:54 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: ronnie raygun

It was never about saving creatures or the earth.

It was, and always will be, about MONEY!


14 posted on 02/05/2012 7:25:49 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Bingo! If “Big Oil” is immoral for making money, why should we tolerate “green” companies charging MORE for the same energy? Shouldn’t they be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, the way they want doctors to work for less when they drive profit out of the health care system?

These people are evil.


15 posted on 02/05/2012 7:35:05 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Solar and wind cannot be relied upon until there is an efficient way to store the energy they capture.

The laws of thermodynamics are not flexible, even for ecoweenies.

16 posted on 02/05/2012 7:46:18 AM PST by stboz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here's the part that gets me;
"The $2-billion plant....The resulting steam drives an array of turbines capable of generating 370 megawatts, enough to power roughly 140,000 homes during peak hours."

The average coal-fired power plant has a capacity of 600 MW, a new one being installed in Vietnam is expected to cost $1.2 billion.

At some point in the future we're going to wake up from this fantasy of global warming.

17 posted on 02/05/2012 7:55:28 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Humans don’t have the capability to “save the Earth”, even if it happened to be necessary. But it isn’t, and it never will be. God’s plan for the Earth is clearly laid out in the Bible, and there’s no need to worry. Of course, these leftwingers worship the creation, not the Creator, so such simple truths fall on deaf ears.


18 posted on 02/05/2012 8:08:26 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Bigh4u2

England is starting to fighting forced wind power. Read the February 5th article in The Telegraph “101 Tories Revolt Over Wind Farms,” By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor. They have figured out wind farms are not the answer.


19 posted on 02/05/2012 8:24:42 AM PST by Pilated
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To: Pilated
We need a conservative anti-green energy legal foundation to file a law-suit against every solar, wind, proposal the left comes up with and tie up the proposed project in the courts.

Use the tactics of the left against them.

20 posted on 02/05/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Here's the part that gets me;
“The $2-billion plant....The resulting steam drives an array of turbines capable of generating 370 megawatts, enough to power roughly 140,000 homes during peak hours.”

The average coal-fired power plant has a capacity of 600 MW, a new one being installed in Vietnam is expected to cost $1.2 billion.

At some point in the future we're going to wake up from this fantasy of global warming.


The solar number is a peak value. I bet the average output is around a third.

So the "apples to apples" numbers should be -

Coal = 600 MW, Solar =- 120 MW

21 posted on 02/05/2012 8:40:35 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It would be very difficult to convince me that deserts need to be preserved. Those places need to be healed with water.


22 posted on 02/05/2012 8:44:28 AM PST by GingisK
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To: paintriot

“I really have no problem with the plan itself, but are the power bills from the 140,000 homes going to repay the taxpayers, or does some dem donor own the electric and solar companies and is going to reap the rewards thus trickling back to obama?”

Don’t forget that your electric company will also be forced to pay thru the nose to buy their clean air credits.


23 posted on 02/05/2012 8:54:47 AM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: stboz

There is a way but it relies upon the original and most evilly insidious form of renewable energy. One that has the greatest true potential, of all the renewable energy forum, to relieve the carbon onslaught upon mother gaia. Can you guess what it is?


24 posted on 02/05/2012 9:00:06 AM PST by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These enviro-nuts have no interest in “sacrificing” or “saving” anything!

They simply want the destruction of America’s industrial base and the depopulation of the planet.

To them there are no acceptable forms of energy.


25 posted on 02/05/2012 9:03:56 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: smaug6
There is a way but it relies upon the original and most evilly insidious form of renewable energy. One that has the greatest true potential, of all the renewable energy forum, to relieve the carbon onslaught upon mother gaia. Can you guess what it is?

I give up. Please enlighten me, as I need to get back to more important things. (tending to slow cooking pork, with a homemade bbq sauce)

26 posted on 02/05/2012 9:08:54 AM PST by bobzeetwin
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To: bobzeetwin

Truly you have more important endeavors to pursue. Therefore I will supply the expensive and gaia eating concept of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity
But caution as this technology further consumes mother gaia’s precious land area and may displace and disrupt the land use habits of untold numbers of organisms.


27 posted on 02/05/2012 9:41:30 AM PST by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: smaug6

Soylent Green?


28 posted on 02/05/2012 10:33:49 AM PST by stboz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That unusual collaboration — along with generous federal subsidies and allotments of public land — has sparked a wholesale remodeling of the American desert.

Stupid Watermelons.

29 posted on 02/05/2012 10:44:17 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: smaug6
Truly you have more important endeavors to pursue. Therefore I will supply the expensive and gaia eating concept of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity But caution as this technology further consumes mother gaia’s precious land area and may displace and disrupt the land use habits of untold numbers of organisms.

We don't need no stickin' pumps. I am in favor of what you say, but in light of the fact I am a conservative, I am not necessarily concerned with gaia rights anyway. Now, back to my PETA project. (people eating tasty animals) http://bayoffundy.com/about/highest-tides/

30 posted on 02/05/2012 11:30:26 AM PST by bobzeetwin
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To: az_gila

Right! Not to mention coal probably burns as well day or night, no so much sun at night for the solar - even in a desert.


31 posted on 02/05/2012 11:36:27 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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