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Lax U.S. gun laws enable killing in Mexico(barf alert)
The Washington Post ^ | 4 February, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 02/05/2012 6:28:45 AM PST by marktwain

DO AMERICA’S failed gun policies contribute to the terrible violence in Mexico? Alejandro A. Poire Romero makes a compelling case that the answer is yes.

Law enforcement officials in both countries acknowledge that 70 to 80 percent of the traceable guns seized in Mexico can be tracked to the United States. Mr. Poire Romero, a top Mexican national security and criminal justice official, offers additional evidence that the United States has been an enabler of the violence.

In 2005 roughly one-third of the seized guns were assault weapons. Today, according to Mr. Poire Romero, assault weapons represent 60 to 65 percent of the guns confiscated by Mexican authorities. The assault-weapons ban in the United States lapsed in 2004.

“The significant rise in violence and the increase in the number of public officials killed in Mexico coincides with lifting of the assault weapons ban,” Mr. Poire Romero said.

Mr. Poire Romero met with Post editors and reporters on the day that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was again being grilled on Capitol Hill about “Operation Fast and Furious,” during which U.S. law enforcement agents, in order to trace weapons to higher-ups in a criminal enterprise, failed to interdict guns bought by suspected straw purchasers. The operation, a version of which was undertaken during the George W. Bush administration, was deeply flawed; some 2,000 weapons are unaccounted for. Weapons traced to Fast and Furious purchases were found on the scene of the 2010 killing of a Border Patrol agent. These revelations led to the resignation of the U.S. attorney in Phoenix and reassignment of the acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama; propaganda
This opinion piece is spun to the max to shield the Obama administration. But, that is what is expected of The Washington Post.
1 posted on 02/05/2012 6:28:56 AM PST by marktwain
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
SSDD. "Mexico's corruption is a byproduct of American freedoms".

Anyone who buys that line deserves to be a slave.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

2 posted on 02/05/2012 6:33:31 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
The Post is protecting its own reporters, editors and managers who engaged in puff pieces for Fast and Furious BEFORE IT HAPPENED.

Notice that the Posties still won't say that about 99% of guns found involved in crimes in Mexico CANNOT BE TRACED.

This concerns only the TRACEABLE GUNS ~ most of them provided directly by DOJ (Holder) to Mexican Narcotrafficantes.

This is why they've got to be kept under observation, and possibly investigated, to see if any of them are worth prosecuting here, or maybe just shipped to Mexico to be charged.

3 posted on 02/05/2012 6:33:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

Damned black rifles again...


4 posted on 02/05/2012 6:34:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: marktwain

They still push forward with a lie.


5 posted on 02/05/2012 6:34:09 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; neverdem
Hey, the 90% lie is down to 70-80%! I guess that's progress.


6 posted on 02/05/2012 6:34:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
What good does it do to pass more laws?

The DOJ was the entity which either broke the law or directly suborned such acts. The very government which passed laws against selling to straw buyers pushed that, knowing where the guns would end up.

If this kind of crap doesn't indicate the whole purpose of "Fast and Furious" was to push more gun control, nothing does.

And why isn't anyone discussing where the Republican candidates stand on this vital issue?

7 posted on 02/05/2012 6:37:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: marktwain

In the real world outside of newsrooms, this editorial would be titled “Poor cultural standards and tolerance of corruption allow murder and mayhem to become commonplace in Mexico.”


8 posted on 02/05/2012 6:37:34 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Now I know how the average lefty would feel if Fred Phelps were elected President.)
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To: marktwain
“Operation Fast and Furious,” during which U.S. law enforcement agents, in order to trace weapons to higher-ups in a criminal enterprise, failed to interdict guns bought by suspected straw purchasers.

BS, they never intended to interdict any of the weaspons and can't show where they had.

F&F is not a failed program. They might not like the way it has turned out, but it did exactly what it was supposed to do.

9 posted on 02/05/2012 6:39:19 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: marktwain

even if it wasn’t a propaganda lie,,, i just do not care. My second amendment right are not conditional depending on how they affect other nations.

My free speech rights and open internet also has negative impacts on China,,,

And last,, does this Mexican REALLY want to get into a discussion about how Mexicos policies affect the USA negatively?


10 posted on 02/05/2012 6:42:01 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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“Law enforcement officials in both countries acknowledge that 70 to 80 percent of the traceable guns seized in Mexico can be tracked to the United States.”

Well...if that’s the starting point, then the conclusion is indisputable.
What about the ones that are NOT traceable? Then, let’s compare raw numbers.

Until then, shut yer pie hole.

Just like BOR...with the leftists, the spin never stops.


11 posted on 02/05/2012 6:44:53 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: muawiyah

I see you are letting them have it in the comments section.

Go get ‘em!


12 posted on 02/05/2012 6:49:34 AM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: marktwain; MestaMachine
This is down right Insulting, Gunwalker is out there and known among the media, and still they come out with this S@*T!

Gunwalker Denial Ping and Charlie Brown AAUGH! Ping!

13 posted on 02/05/2012 6:53:39 AM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: marktwain

so this is the article that was supposed to run earlier if fast and furious wasnt discovered?


14 posted on 02/05/2012 6:55:23 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: marktwain

A hundred years ago we would have just sent the army across the border to deal with the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition


15 posted on 02/05/2012 6:58:26 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: marktwain

This propoganda article was designed to run after the Fast and Furious program was underway, but the editors did not expect that the Fast and Furious program would be exposed and its managers subjected to Senate scrutiny. Now that a few months have passed and it looks like the managers are going to get away with it, the W Post is restarting the propoganda part of the program.


16 posted on 02/05/2012 7:00:54 AM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: marktwain

Can someone tell me how many lives were saved by the assault weapons ban?


17 posted on 02/05/2012 7:09:47 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain
Lax U.S. gun laws A.T.F. enable killing in Mexico

Corrected the headline for spelling and grammar.

18 posted on 02/05/2012 7:12:53 AM PST by Lazamataz (Yes, I am THAT Conservative.)
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To: marktwain

The drug cartels use fully automatic weapons stolen from police and military throughout Central and South America, in addition to imported Chinese weapons.
They don’t give a damn about the semi-auto’s available from the U.S.!


19 posted on 02/05/2012 7:18:31 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Going full circle. Back to the future. Ping.


20 posted on 02/05/2012 7:20:58 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: marktwain


21 posted on 02/05/2012 7:24:21 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: marktwain

And the propaganda continues.


22 posted on 02/05/2012 7:28:33 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

Who pulled the triggers of all those guns?


23 posted on 02/05/2012 7:35:39 AM PST by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: marktwain
“Law enforcement officials in both countries acknowledge that 70 to 80 percent of the traceable guns seized in Mexico can be tracked to the United States.”

Another good argument for sealing the southern border up tighter than Michelle Obama's 3-sizes-too-small sweaters.

Tighter than Nancy Pelosi's face after her daily Botox injections.

Tighter than Eric Holder's sphincter at a congressional hearing.


24 posted on 02/05/2012 7:36:47 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: marktwain

International UN gun ban on the horizon, just ask secretary of state ham hacks


25 posted on 02/05/2012 7:43:30 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: marktwain

The Washington Post is a DNC outlet for talking points.

It has nothing to do with truth.


26 posted on 02/05/2012 7:44:44 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Smokin' Joe

Don’t repeal the 2nd Amendment to protect mexicans from themselves. Instead abolish the DOJ amd protect both our countries.


27 posted on 02/05/2012 7:47:29 AM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: G Larry
Your right G Larry. I believe this gunwalker thing was a conspiracy by this administration to repeal the 2nd Amendment or get more gun control. It backfired on em and I wonder if some patriotic Americans in the law enforcement might have sabotaged Holder's plans?
28 posted on 02/05/2012 7:53:49 AM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: marktwain

No, dipshit, the rise is from our own gubmint furnishing the weapons..“The significant rise in violence and the increase in the number of public officials killed in Mexico coincides with lifting of the assault weapons ban,” Mr. Poire Romero said.”


29 posted on 02/05/2012 7:54:01 AM PST by richardtavor
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To: marktwain

Just think how much of the illegal gun trade would be eliminated if we just outlawed dhimmicrats.


30 posted on 02/05/2012 7:57:19 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain

I didn’t think it was lax gun laws but strict drug laws that cause the killings.


31 posted on 02/05/2012 8:07:48 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: marktwain

“..70 to 80 percent of the traceable guns...”

95% of the weapons aren’t “TRACEABLE” because they’re stolen from Central and South American police and military, or imported from China!


32 posted on 02/05/2012 8:16:12 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: marktwain

” The assault-weapons ban in the United States lapsed in 2004”

Bush’s fault!


33 posted on 02/05/2012 8:20:00 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Can someone tell me how many lives were saved by the assault weapons ban?”

None!

But they did expand their gun grabbing agenda buy lying about what constitutes an “assault weapon”.

If it isn’t capable of being fired in full auto mode, it IS NOT AN ASSAULT WEAPON!!!

But the ban includes many semi-autos that they don’t like the looks of.


34 posted on 02/05/2012 8:25:53 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: umgud
flawed...misguided...failed...operation---the mandatory MSM mantra

bears repeating--- they never intended to interdict any of the weapons and can't show where they had.

From the article:

"Mr. Poire Romero calls Fast and Furious “an issue of concern” for Mexico. “It’s clear that we did not know and would never have approved of an operation that let guns walk into Mexico,” he said,"

35 posted on 02/05/2012 8:38:06 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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36 posted on 02/05/2012 9:15:12 AM PST by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: marktwain

They got caught, but they are pretending they didn’t.


37 posted on 02/05/2012 9:28:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: marktwain

The operable word here is “traceable.” The U.S. does an Unconstitutional job of keeping track of guns better than Mexico which has even more restrictions on guns.


38 posted on 02/05/2012 9:35:46 AM PST by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: marktwain
Lax Corrupt U.S. regime gun laws enables killing in Mexico

There... I fixed it for them.

39 posted on 02/05/2012 11:19:59 AM PST by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: marktwain

I suppose it is “lax U.S. gun laws” that enable the cretins in mexico to have grenades, and rocket launchers at their disposal as well. Mexico is barely better than a failed state at this point, with its rampant corruption, and lack of property rights and the rule of law. I think mexico would do better to do something about its endemic culture of corruption (which they are working hard at exporting to the U.S.), than whining about our gun laws.


40 posted on 02/05/2012 11:58:40 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: marktwain

No, a corrupt Government breaking a ton of laws and violating national security is the reason. The Washington Compost can kiss my @$$.


41 posted on 02/05/2012 1:14:28 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226

LIBs have no shame. The Washington Pest is trash. Their writers and editors are unprofessional, low-integrity morons. The Pest lost $40 million last year. Good.


42 posted on 02/05/2012 1:31:36 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: marktwain

sarcasm drip...

If more gun laws are the politicians reaction to ‘gun violence’, how come they don’t introduce more drug laws every time a major drug seizure is made, or a crackhead kills someone or a drug cartel gang in north podunk is busted?

/drip


43 posted on 02/05/2012 1:53:15 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: marktwain
100% garbage propaganda. The WaPo is participating in the coverup of treason by continuing to spread a lie that was already thoroughly debunked.

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth STRATFOR article reprized at GOA

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. FOX News

44 posted on 02/05/2012 2:15:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain
"The border has never been more secure." - Sec. of Homeland Security; Janet Napolitano
45 posted on 02/05/2012 2:31:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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