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Vote Count in GOP Caucus Continuing in Nevada’s Largest County [#of ballots differ in #of voters]
LasVegasSun ^ | Sunday, Feb. 5, 2012 | 10:15 a.m. | Anjeanette Damon

Posted on 02/05/2012 11:30:48 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

The voting ended half a day ago. The networks have called the race. The GOP presidential candidates have delivered their speeches and left the state.

And, still, party officials in Nevada’s largest county continue to count the vote.

“We are going to get this right,” Clark County Chairman David Gibbs told the Las Vegas Sun today. “If it takes us a little bit of time to get it rights, we are going to take the time.”

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was declared the victor of the Nevada caucuses Saturday evening, based on results from the rest of the state and entrance polls conducted by major media organizations.

With 70 percent of the vote counted, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in second place, with U.S. Rep. Ron Paul trailing in third by just shy of 1,000 votes.

After working until 4 a.m. Sunday, a handful of a volunteers resumed working through boxes of paper ballots this morning, verifying the vote count done at each precinct nearly 24 hours ago.

County party officials were unwilling to release the numbers from the precinct counts until each ballot was certified. And they are doing it all by hand.

“We want to make sure the count at the precinct was accurate,” Gibbs said.

With just half of the vote counted, officials have already discovered some discrepancies. In some precincts, the number of ballots did not match the number of voters who signed in to participate in the caucus.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: clarkcounty; gopcaucus; nevada; nevadacaucus; nv2012
70 percent of the vote counted, Gingrich was in second place, with U.S. Rep. Ron Paul trailing in third by just shy of 1,000 votes. --They rival for second.

Back to FL: A Ron Paul supporter has filed a lawsuit against the Newt Gingrich campaign, claiming a security officer for the GOP presidential hopeful stomped on his foot “like he was stomping out a cigarette,” the AP reported.

Edward Dillard, a central Florida resident, said his foot was fractured in the Tuesday incident, which took place on the day of the state’s primary.

According to the AP, Dillard was wearing a Paul T-shirt and holding a sign at a Gingrich campaign stop in Orlando when a “swarm” of security guards surrounded him, one stomping on his foot while he was wearing open sandals.

1 posted on 02/05/2012 11:30:55 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

I can’t discern how your comment relates to the article you posted. Could you elaborate???

Thx for the article!

Take care,

-Geoff


2 posted on 02/05/2012 11:37:30 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: fight_truth_decay
Just how hard is it to count the caucus votes?? This is very funny in a weird sort of way. These people telling us they are stupid or something? Each precinct is mostly very small, count the votes before they leave, certify them before they leave, register the votes, send them on. (Unless they are seeking different results.)

Count again at the HQs.,how hard is it to COUNT? Just do away with caucuses, which it seems is never a true indication how the majority of people would vote, some people are just not interested in going into the little click groups and voice an opinion.

But one bit of humor, they all still have until April 15th to do their taxes, well maybe.

3 posted on 02/05/2012 11:52:54 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
Think of it as two recent stories rolled into 1 as I lead into Florida caucus timeframe in the second paragraph.

Newt and Paul have become close in fighting for #2 spot..so the fire is getting a little hot! Newt fans dislike Paul's and vv. If in fac, the story is true. Newt fans on Twitter are calling the alleged stomping and physical contact by security a lie. Want to see proof. Paul side wants an apology.

Caught some media person tweet chatter yesterday saying Paul fans felt votes could be skeptical. Today's story pops up they are matching votes # to voters # as too many votes.

Both candidates are 1000 apart. Happened with Romney and Santorum after the fact.

4 posted on 02/05/2012 11:56:10 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

How in this day and age can there be so many screw-ups in the voting process?


5 posted on 02/05/2012 11:56:39 AM PST by rawhide
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To: annieokie
When the largest county hasn't even been tallied and Romney is the winner, something could appear to be very strange.

Romney was declared a winner in Iowa and look what happened.
8 precincts in Iowa voting numbers went missing.

At least the chairman in Iowa has decided to step down.
Since 2000, we really have gone down hill when it comes to counting the votes.
And thats shameful.

6 posted on 02/05/2012 12:00:21 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Might as well adopt left wing tactics along with the left wing candidate I guess. The next four years are going to be bad, but the demise of the GOP will be some recompense.


7 posted on 02/05/2012 12:11:36 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Governor Rick Perry did the right thing, for the right reasons, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: VicVega
Yes it is shameful, and each state should be embarrassed and shunned. Shame, Shame, Shame.

My state uses the machines, very easy to use, very quick to get the count, no nonsense. Of course we are a primary state, and not the archaic method of caucuses.

Caucuses never seem to draw out voters in large numbers, think this is by design? hmmmm. maybe. A lot of people just don't go because they are tired of all the speeches, pandering and argueing. Not sure if I would attend such a thing. Most people just want to get in, VOTE and get out, better things to do than listen to some EGO's speak for 2 or 3 hours.

8 posted on 02/05/2012 12:11:36 PM PST by annieokie
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To: rawhide
In some precincts, the number of ballots did not match the number of voters who signed in to participate in the caucus.

Could be human error--the where do I sign in scenario? If you attend a caucus for the first time-it can be confusing. You rally, speeches.. then go to your towns room of that county, which means someone might not be there, people sticking their heads in to wonder why the room is dark and no one there to meet you and also find there is another gathering later someplace else.

They sign new voters up when a person enters, but that is actually for first time caucus. So that can be easily misinterpreted. Plus you can be there for hours. Maybe it is me but I don't think I fall on the idiot side.[not requesting comment]

It is not well organized.

My take on it.

9 posted on 02/05/2012 12:12:20 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Mark Steyn was just on C-SPAN ripping Newt’s press conference in Nevada last night...


10 posted on 02/05/2012 12:16:16 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: annieokie
#9..and then they read out the steps to follow I and II and III and IV etc what is required, what is all expected of you..ah do I want to commit to all this you ask... people pretending not to be confused, but you can tell they are--plus earlier they gave you a map.

It's a mess..and you will have to spend your afternoon there. However the rally is timed but that starts late..the food is free, so you begin to count how many times his woman has sauntered over to the food table during the rally to fill up her plate of donut holes, cookies and sweets, a carrot and celery; so your mind wanders, whether she is well fed at home..plus for the most part in all these counties the candidate does not show up by sends a person who decides to send another person at the last minute. One speaker was good, the rest you could not hear etc or had poor scripts.

Then go back to my previous comment.. ...will not say how this story ended.

11 posted on 02/05/2012 12:29:08 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: who knows what evil?
I watched and the press would not take excuses, they wondered why he was not talking about the issues but making excuses--he said you do not want to hear the issues as the questions you ask are not on them. That one I gave to Newt.

The only time he started to smile was when he was asked about the game, he came back said who he thought would win-the Giants- although he does not like the Giants--and one reporter said--well that didnt win votes in NY. [laughs]

Newt losing weight?

News twitter back and forth on the scene said Romney, guests up at The Donalds penthouse and all were celebrating with milk shakes--no hangovers in the morning the reporter suggested.

12 posted on 02/05/2012 12:34:16 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: rawhide

Because humans are involved.


13 posted on 02/05/2012 12:34:56 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: fight_truth_decay

OK. I understand your point now. Thx.


14 posted on 02/05/2012 1:00:53 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: rawhide

American Idol voting etc. is in better shape than our voting process.

It is just crazy in 2012 to have so much trouble like this. But like our public school system, they don’t want to fix it because then they can’t screw with it...plain as day to me.


15 posted on 02/05/2012 1:05:24 PM PST by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: fight_truth_decay
What food? What drinks?

At 8am, we were herded in cafeteria type rooms with end to end picnic tables and told to stay at the table our precinct # was located. The calamity was almost laughable. The caucus was to start at 9am but nothing started happening until around 9:45 We were finished in by 10:15 with people rushing out, after handing their little blue ballot to the precinct Chairperson. I have said before, most the chair people were mittbots. and i was just watching them all gather up the ballots while the watcher was still standing there with the blue blank ballots. The disorganization, made Clark County Ripe for Fraud yesterday.

I have already mentioned all the crap that happened at that caucus location (in Clark county) so I won't go into more detail, except to say, if you go on any caucus site and read the rules.. you can with confidence, know for a fact, none of those were observed in Clark County!

16 posted on 02/05/2012 1:19:58 PM PST by Repub4bush (GOPbriefingroom.com)
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17 posted on 02/05/2012 2:24:44 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: annieokie

I’m for the primary process too. Machines with a receipt of what vote you just cast. Interesting article I found while looking at the problem in NV.

http://robertwanekreports.com/nevada-clark-county-vote-fraud/


18 posted on 02/05/2012 2:52:11 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: fight_truth_decay
That is so funny, I went back to read Post #9 as well. Perfect description of what I was trying to say. What a waste of a good afternoon of something productive or enjoyable.

Those people trying not to look CONFUSED, but you know they are, ROFL, good one and you know its true. Look bubba, I'm going to do my civic duty and the foods free, hope they don't ask me nuttin'.

I never liked PTA or City Council meetings as well, and for much the same reason, someone always thinks they have some stupid grivience about something and think the whole world needs to hear it, or I demand this and you pay for it, or else, types. My neighbor has his fence 1/2 inch on my property, whatcha gonna do bout it, types. Rofl.

At City Council meetings they get to be on TV as well, hahahahahahahaha, did ya see me, mom?

19 posted on 02/05/2012 3:37:38 PM PST by annieokie
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To: VicVega
So Paul beat Mitt in Clark County it seems.

How can voters want to stay so archaic? Guess it all depends on how you intend to cheat and cook the votes, easy with caucuses.

What about Mo., seems its a primary which won't count, then a caucus which will count, what the hell is that? My gosh, I don't know what world I'm living on anymore.

What ever happened to the expression "KISS", keep it simple stupid.

20 posted on 02/05/2012 3:47:11 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

Just how hard is it to count the caucus votes?? This is very funny in a weird sort of way. These people telling us they are stupid or something?


The following first hand account of one caucus gives the impression we maybe lucky that they ever get the results in.

http://biggovernment.com/babramson/2012/02/04/play-by-play-of-the-nevada-caucus/


21 posted on 02/05/2012 3:47:38 PM PST by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: deport
That is a GREAT read. No one knows anything and trying to do something as important as electing a President of the U.S.... this is disgusting to think such people could have so much influence on this election.

Guess the states RNC HQ's and precinct captains are laughing their heads off, just keep the little ones busy, we make the decisions anyway.

22 posted on 02/05/2012 4:03:07 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

Wow, you credit precinct captains with FAR more power than they actually wield.

In actual fact, precinct captains have virtually no power at all.

I have been a precinct captain many times, I never had any power beyond pleading for cooperation, or resigning.

Their job is to recruit members, organize volunteers for get out the vote activities, and keep volunteers in compliance to party rules - state law.

Caucus meetings are run by a chairman and secretary nominated by those in attendance.

Where do you see the power to control the caucus vote in this?

The vote tally is counted by “Tellers”, not precinct captains, the vote is witnessed and recorded,
Then it is counted again by the state party, with witnesses, and recorded.

All volunteer organizations have to deal with new people and incompetence, it’s natural when amateurs engage in large projects.
Some counties/precincts do a better job of training and organizing than others.
My Caucus went very smoothly, we trained for it in advance.

Clark County is a party town, it seems they may not have worked out the process so well as other parts of the state did.


23 posted on 02/05/2012 4:41:48 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: annieokie
"What ever happened to the expression "KISS", keep it simple stupid."

No kidding.

Read the Chairwoman in Nv., resigned her position at 12:01 AM.

The Iowa and Nevada GOP really have some explaining to do.
Never expect to get to the bottom of it.

If ever there was an argument to move away from caucuses, this would be it.

It's getting harder to trust the results of an election.

24 posted on 02/05/2012 5:26:12 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: Loyal Sedition
I appreciate you clarification on the process. I see too that you are a very conscientious worker. Having said that, not all are. With that many hands on the ballots, on the envelopes or boxes used to send to the state, there is plenty of room for FRAUD, or as in IOWA some never made it to the state. All depends on how did the counting.

Machines do that process QUICKER and the results are at the Election board in minutes not hours or days.

Primary voting via Machines is the only modern way to do this. More people will turn out, takes only a little while, its private and not stuck in some room for hours, I have better things to do with my time, and caucusing will not change my mind. jmo

25 posted on 02/05/2012 5:35:05 PM PST by annieokie
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To: VicVega
What? The Chairwoman in Nevada resigned at 12:01 A.M.?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: MITT WINS, that's that.

I sure wish there was some way to enforce the voting machines. We have excellant ones in Oklahoma and I don't recall any gliches like we see in other states. We have the election results in a matter of a few hours. Not days or weeks. We used the same machines for many years, just upgraded about two years ago.

Voting is private, and voter turnout is heavy, not stuck in some caucus room all day and try to act important and be seen.

But, I will be I hear from someone who will show me where Oklahoma has had a glich, rofl.

26 posted on 02/05/2012 5:52:57 PM PST by annieokie
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