Posted on 02/05/2012 2:48:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
A Newark man died after a tussle with a former high school wrestler he tried to rob early Saturday, NBC New York has learned.
Law-enforcement sources told NBC New York that 30-year-old Gian Davis approached two men near Bloomfield Avenue at about 1:15 a.m. and asked for change.
When the men said "no," he then asked to borrow a cell phone, grabbed it and tried to run off with it, sources said.
One of the men lunged to get the phone back and Davis put him in a headlock, according to sources. Then, sources say the other man, a former high school wrestler, pulled Davis off his friend and put the would-be robber in a headlock.
It was strong enough that Davis apparently choked to death, sources familiar with the investigation said.
A source said the two men called police and then stayed on the scene until authorities arrived. Davis was pronounced dead at the hospital.
A medical examiner will determine the cause of death.
Tom Fennelly, chief assistant Essex County prosecutor, would only confirm that an investigation is ongoing.
No charges have been filed against the former wrestler or his friend. Their names have not been released.
Fennelly said they are cooperating with the investigation.
Davis had prior arrests for aggravated assault and theft. He was released from his last stint in jail on July 22.
Picked the wrong guy to rob. That said I am not sure that the victim will not face legal charges for using excessive force.
It’s obvious that we need headlock control laws, and we need them now.
Good riddance.
The robber’s mistake was that he attacked an armed man...the victim had TWO of them...arms, that is.
2 points!
They are saying that the robber was from Newark but I see no mention of what town the robbery attempt took place in.
Bloomfield Ave. runs from Newark all the way past Caldwell with a lot of towns in between. (10 to 12 mi.)
The ethnic makeup changes as you get out of Newark & go further west. It would be interesting to know where this took place,or did I miss something.
If your on the ground with a wrestler, your toast.
"Not like THAT, like THIS. What happened to your form, man? See how I am getting that proper facial shade of purple?"
He should have used a sleeper hold which cuts off blood to the brain instead of a choke hold which cuts off the airway.
No such thing as a “sleeper hold” (and yes, I’m a former wrestler). It’s still a form of choke hold, and cutting off blood flow to the brain will make one first pass out, and if held longer, can result in brain damage and then death.
By the way, we’re talking mere seconds here....it takes far less to kill with that hold, if done properly, than most would ever believe.
Absolutely. Now, the taxpayers won't have to write checks to rehabilitate him.
Sympathy.
Found in the dictionary between Shiite and syphilis.
The wrestler cleared an hundred unsolved crimes and prevented a thousand more.
Give him one more wrestling medal.
I think there was some hubbub years ago after a number of black men died because of police choke holds, and there was a suggestion that black people may have a unique vulnerability to such holds. I never saw any clinical rationale, though.
Thanks nickcarraway.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/1_killed_in_apparent_newark_ro.html
[snip] asked to use one of their cell phones to call a cab... One of the students said he would call a cab for Davis, who then said he wanted to shake the man’s hand in thanks. But instead of a handshake, Davis allegedly grabbed for the phone and started hitting one of the students in the head. The other student intervened and was able to subdue Davis by “placing a hold with both arms to restrain the suspect from further injuring his friend,” ... When the first officers arrived, the report said, the student released Davis, who was “unresponsive.” [/snip]
Not sure what this “allegedly” bs is in there for.
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Amen to that! It's the same few people causing all the trouble.
I wish they'd let American Express keep track of criminals instead of the govt!
BEEP!!! A low-life has just approached your property. BEEP!
The victim ... who was having an innocent tussle with the racist youth ... who refused to either make change for him or share their self-indulgent cell phone ... then used excessive force to cause his untimely death ... and deprive society of an outstanding contributing member ... again proving the urgent need for stricter gun control laws!
If a cop, with all his training, fears for his life, or even just his safety, he can shoot the dog, taze the perp repeatedly, call for backup, have the backup help him beat the crap out of the perp, and then they can all unload 50 rounds into the perp - and they all get an administrative leave, while the DA determines they did no wrong because they feared for their lives and/or safety.
If a civilian, with no training, is attacked by a violent criminal and uses one two many bullets, or the criminal gets injured while the victim is trying to protect his life or safety, the civilian victim is either arrested for excessive force, or sued into oblivion for excessive force.
What a world.
Like Ted Nugent once said.... I’d rather have the bad guy be dead.
Yeah, and the wrestler probably put him in just such a hold, not a “headlock”. I don’t know a wrestler worth his salt who would EVER use a headlock. First, it’s clumsy, ineffective....oh, and illegal in wrestling. It also leaves one HIGHLY vulnerable; your “victim’s” arms and legs are completely free to wail on you....or in wrestling, even if it was legal, the guy would simply pick you up and slam you down as you try to hold onto his neck/head. Stupid.
No, this guy, rightfully so, I guarantee you put him in a proper choke from behind: one arm across the throat, that hand grasping his other bicep; the other arm....hand to the back of the head pushing forward....all the while flexing the bicep of the arm across the throat.
The result is a devastating “scissoring” type action that will incapacitate ANYone (and a personal favorite, I must admit). Takes practice, but a wrestler can get behind you in the blink of an eye and engage that hold....and it’s all over.
Of course, we know nothing about the guy. but the “ wrestler either “overestimated the strength of the would- be robber, or underestimated his own, or just got too excited. Moral of the story: be careful who you mess with. I know of a case where a big-guy picked on a former professional featherweight fighter and ended up in the hospital.
I’m thinking the perp was lucky. He probably died quickly.
He could have suffered greatly had the wrestler used the claw!
urban renewal, one step at a time.
Just before the robbery attempt, the suspect may have said to himself: “I’m gonna get me a cell phone or die trying.”
I should hope he doesn’t. It would be a travesty but since when do the PC police care about the sensibilities of us.
Too bad for the robber, but live by the sword, die by the sword.
Nope?
M-K....
To say nothing of the fact a headlock is not eficient in a life or death circumstance, if ever. It is a great way for an unsophisticated user to get their nose pushed up into their skull if used on the wrong guy.
I wonder if he had a license for that headlock? They need to outlaw headlocks. You got too many people out there putting headlocks on people..somethings gotta be done.
It’s pretty clear from watching choke holds applied in MMA that unconsciousness can come very, very quickly.
More surprising is how difficult to tell if someone is out. It looks tough enough just for an experienced referee, for the person applying the hold, it must be almost impossible to be sure.
“You killed my BABY!! You killed my BABY!! He wuz turnin his life around, he wuz takin’ Bible study, he wuz back in school, he wuz a good boy, he wuz.........”
And nothing of value was lost.
In a related story Gian’s Mom sobbed to reporters that her son did not deserve to die. He was a good boy and had been turning his life around.
Right, and these kids should have known all of this before-hand or arrived at these conclusions during a fight with someone that probably wasn’t observing H.S. wrestling club rules. These kinds of critiques about how good or bad these kids were at wrestling are idiotic. It wasn’t a wrestling match, it was personal self-defense.
2 points, no way.....that was a technical fall.......
You always tie up with the head first.
I like to give them a headbutt between the eyes and then pick a foot.
Tree top!
Yep...that’s it.
Yep...that’s it. He didn’t invent it, of course, but expertly demonstrated there.
Wait till the sob sisters talk about how he was a good boy, he was turning his life around, he was good to his girlfriends and his kid by them. And try to sue the wrestler and the city, and probably the school that trained the wrestler AND his coach.
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