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Obama Cuts Hazard Pay for Soldiers Serving in Harmís Way
Gateway Pundit ^ | 2/6/12 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/06/2012 6:08:45 AM PST by Nachum

They will now only get the $7.50 daily proration for the individual days they are actually serving in harm’s way instead of for the whole month. (DOD)

Barack Obama cut pay for military men and women serving in harm’s way starting this month. The Army Times reported:

Starting this month, some troops will begin receiving less Imminent Danger Pay when a new policy takes effect that will prorate the standard $225 monthly IDP stipend.

Under the new policy, troops will be paid only for the actual days they spend in the danger pay location, defense officials said Thursday.

Under the previous policy, troops who spent any portion of the month in a danger pay location received danger pay for the entire month.

The proration amounts to $7.50 per day. So, for example, if a service member spends only 7 days of the month in Afghanistan, he or she will have only $52.50 in Imminent Danger Pay added to their paycheck.

Doug Ross reminds us:

This follows efforts by the president to make veterans pay for their own health insurance — even those injured in combat — and his calls last month for raises for millions of federal paper-pushers.

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanwar; combatpay; hazard; hazardpay; obama; pay; soldiers

1 posted on 02/06/2012 6:08:51 AM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 02/06/2012 6:12:28 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I can’t believe this isn’t going to cause an uproar in Congress. And the GOP nominess ought to be jumping on it too.


3 posted on 02/06/2012 6:13:01 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
The change was mandated by Congress as a part of the 2012 budget, and the Pentagon announced the implementation of the new rules on Thursday.

Looks like Congress was behind this.

4 posted on 02/06/2012 6:14:37 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Nachum

this is not a pay cut for serving “in harm’s way”, it is a refinement of what constitutes being “in harm’s way”

I guess someone who takes 30 days of leave in Hawaii or Florida, or who rotates to a statsuion in conus or noncombat zone, will not be considered as being “in harm’s way”, and won’t get combat pay for those days

I see nothing wrong with this. But if the troops are underpaid just give them a pay raise


5 posted on 02/06/2012 6:20:27 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Nachum
this is not a pay cut for serving “in harm's way”, it is a refinement of what constitutes being “in harm's way”

I guess someone who takes 30 days of leave in Hawaii or Florida, or who rotates to a station in conus or noncombat zone, will not be considered as being “in harm's way”, and won't get combat pay for those days

I see nothing wrong with this. But if the troops are underpaid just give them a pay raise

6 posted on 02/06/2012 6:20:50 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Nachum

It is my personal opinion this is another of Obama’s moves to shrink the military to dangerously low levels for the purpose of returning to the Draft. The Draft has been on the list of to-do’s for the Democrats since it was rescinded.

He wants to say the volunteer army isn’t working, therefore he hasn’t any choice but to return to the draft.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 6:21:27 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: nuconvert

It is an interesting subject and one I’ve taken advantage of a number of times.

For a grunt deploying overseas to a combat zone for 4, 6 or 12 months the extra pay was nice.

When we were scheduling our air flow the Air Force was more than happy to get us there by the last day of the month. Which with crew rest and two days work got them 2 months HDP and tax free.

But this is targeting the “visitors” who like to come check up on you for a few days. Days that just happen to span two months - the 31st to the 1st.


8 posted on 02/06/2012 6:22:09 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: nuconvert

Bachmann plan would cut veterans benefits
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/military-michele-bachmann-veterans-budget-cuts-012811w/


9 posted on 02/06/2012 6:23:21 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Nachum

Obama has REPEATEDLY said one thing ... and done another.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 6:23:24 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Nachum

We need to cut Congressional pay to the same levels and maybe even drop them in Afghanistan. Then we could bring our soldiers home and make them our Congress.


11 posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:11 AM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: Nachum

As an Infantryman in the United States Army, I see this as a good and bad thing.

It is good that those who are actually put in harms way during deployments are rewarded over those who are quite safe on their FOBs. Fobbits, as we call them, do not deserve the same pay of those actually risk their lives on a daily basis.

It is bad if they limit it to only combat arms MOS’ despite a soldier’s actual duty when overseas. Many soldier’s who are not combat arms go outside the wire. Also, some FOBs do take incoming fire. This policy may leave too much up to the discretion of someone who is too far out of harms way to make the judgement of who is deserving.

While many in the military will disagree with this new policy. You will not find too many Infantryman in that boat.


12 posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:11 AM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: silverleaf

I see nothing wrong with either.

Too many military personnel abused the old policy.

If you only spend one day in a combat zone, you do not deserve a full month’s worth.


13 posted on 02/06/2012 6:28:00 AM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: Nachum

I don’t think Obama would be doing this if he wasn’t feeling confident about winning in November.


14 posted on 02/06/2012 6:30:01 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: rockinqsranch
The minutiae I encountered in the past couple of years with SS and unemployment indicates to me the American people have been put under a financial microscope and are being dealt with in (many times, IMO) an unduly harsh way.

I mistakingly reversed two weeks when applying for unemployment (for simplicity's sake .. wk 1 = $100 and wk 2 = $200)

What should have been wk 1 = 100 and wk 2 = 200 ... I inputted wk 1 = 200 and wk 2 = 100.

Not only did that cause an internal electronic hemmorhage, it denied my check for two weeks and gifted me with an interesting afternoon of telephonic exchanges that might have gotten my ass kicked if I had not been apologetic in the end.

The jokes abound about standing in the DMV line, but UE has a pretty good start on incapable imbeds.

15 posted on 02/06/2012 6:32:26 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Nachum
His hate of everything representing American power is palpable...

I detest that man...

Mike

16 posted on 02/06/2012 6:38:36 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: rockinqsranch

Or he may be getting around to changing what the meaning of “volunteer” means.

This snake oil salesman may want to change it to “those who work for free.”


17 posted on 02/06/2012 6:41:11 AM PST by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Nachum
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18 posted on 02/06/2012 6:44:15 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Nachum

I hope all obama worshippers who have relatives serving in the military appreciate this. Maybe they can get obama to pay them from his stash.


19 posted on 02/06/2012 6:46:19 AM PST by Terry Mross (.)
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To: Nachum

This will free up some more money to help buy votes.


20 posted on 02/06/2012 6:46:45 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nuconvert
If you think that this will cause a uproar in Congress or that the GOP candidates or the nominee will be jumping in[protesting] then you don't know either the GOP candidates or the Congressional Republicans.

When obama says,"Kiss my as", he has a ten mile long line of Republicans on their knees and puckered up.

To even think that a republican would oppose obama on anything, one would have to have the optimism of a red bug crawling up an elephant's hind leg with rape on his mind.

21 posted on 02/06/2012 6:49:47 AM PST by sport
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To: Nachum

In a way, I support this. I remember how many Colonels and Generals would time their visits to the troops...arriving on the last day of the month, and departing on the first of the next month. 36 hours in theater, and in return they got 2 months combat pay and two months tax exemption.

However, I’d feel better about it if they would also increase the combat pay to say...$20/day. Most real combat troops would get a raise, while the high-up strap hangers would get much less.


22 posted on 02/06/2012 6:50:37 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: All

Look, SOMEBODY has to sacrifice so Moochelle can go on million dollar vacations and eat caviar every night....


23 posted on 02/06/2012 6:52:50 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: And2TheRepublic

You sound a little confused as to what “Eminent Danger Pay” is....Either those serving in a “Combat Zone” in “FOB’s” ARE in danger or they are not. Which is it?


24 posted on 02/06/2012 6:59:11 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: Nachum
The military is the first target when they start cutting, we have little to no backing. FUBO and Panetta. The military hierarchy are all sycophants.
25 posted on 02/06/2012 7:06:38 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: TheGunny

Some are. Many are not. Just because are in a combat zone, doesn’t mean you should receive Imminent Danger Pay.

I do not know when the last time you have visited Kuwait, but to receive Imminent Danger Pay while being in that country is a joke.

Second part to that would be that just because you dropped in to say hello for one day, doesn’t mean you should be entitled to a full month of Imminent Danger Pay.

Does that clear it up for you?


26 posted on 02/06/2012 7:17:48 AM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: Nachum

This should screw up everybodys pay for months.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 7:24:22 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: baddog 219
These two agree with the President



When it comes to sacrificing both blood and money, the military always comes first. The kicker, the same politicians who pick "the cuts" often assign "more work" in the process.
28 posted on 02/06/2012 7:41:31 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Nachum

He’s getting ready for his 150th vacation and needs the money.


29 posted on 02/06/2012 7:43:40 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: NativeNewYorker

“The change was mandated by Congress as a part of the 2012 budget, and the Pentagon announced the implementation of the new rules on Thursday.”

Thank you.
That makes the headline a bit misleading, then.

How did this get by us at FR when it was being taken up by Congress?


30 posted on 02/06/2012 7:56:42 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: And2TheRepublic

How is Kuwait a combat zone?


31 posted on 02/06/2012 7:58:49 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Nachum

I can see a change in flight pay for aircrew members coming where flight pay is pro-rated daily and credited only for the days you fly. This will expand to other hazardous duties as well.


32 posted on 02/06/2012 8:05:28 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: nuconvert

The budget bill is undoubtedly hundreds or even thousands of pages long. Obviously, it’s childsplay to slip stuff in there .


33 posted on 02/06/2012 8:11:41 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: nuconvert

I could be wrong, but i believe Kuwait has been a combat zone since Desert Storm.

It is major staging point/hub for forces on their way to and from Iraq/Afghanistan. However, to call it a combat zone is a bit of a stretch. Obviously, an elevated posture is required there. But to receive extra pay for being in imminent danger is wrong.

There are a few other places considered combat zones, and are entitled to Imminent Danger pay.


34 posted on 02/06/2012 8:14:13 AM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: nuconvert; NativeNewYorker
"The change was mandated by Congress as a part of the 2012 budget, and the Pentagon announced the implementation of the new rules on Thursday."

Thank you.

That makes the headline a bit misleading, then.

How did this get by us at FR when it was being taken up by Congress?

I'm at a point where I need my afternoon naps but I'm pretty sure that NO BUDGET has been passed by the House and Senate since Owhammy took office. Or has this been buried in the innumerable "Continuing Resolutions"?

Someone please tell me I'm wrong.

35 posted on 02/06/2012 8:17:48 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor
You raise an excellent point. We're way way past the point where a formal, open, honest process sets laws or allocates the public treasury.

Money is being raised and spent. The specifics remain murky.

36 posted on 02/06/2012 8:32:33 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Nachum
Bring the troops home, their real enemy is in Mordor-on-the-Potomac:


37 posted on 02/06/2012 8:43:22 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Nachum

But Obama increased the amount of welfare his sheep receive,so much for leadership.


38 posted on 02/06/2012 8:47:37 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: And2TheRepublic

This is not a bad thing.....this system was abused to death when I was in just a couple of years ago...Seniors would often drag their feet so they had to stay that extra day into the next month, people from everywhere would just come into country at the end of the month to get those two days of tax free/imminent fire pay.....Joe rarely got to benefit from this system, generally only those who had the authority to manifest themselves into country were able to benefit from this, with the notable exception of air crew. I would hazard a guess that there were a great many traveling expenses that were incurred just to get that person into country to get those months as tax free and imminent fire pay....but it wasn’t the rank and file Soldier


39 posted on 02/06/2012 9:29:23 AM PST by Razwan (Yeah, yeah, I know...Razwan, member since 30 June 2000)
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To: Razwan

two MONTHS of tax free/imminent fire pay.....not two days


40 posted on 02/06/2012 9:53:56 AM PST by Razwan (Yeah, yeah, I know...Razwan, member since 30 June 2000)
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To: And2TheRepublic
Ill tell you what clears it up for me soldier, is that it is abundantly clear that you don't know what in the hell you are talking about! A) there are no FOB’s in Kuwait, B) Almost EVERY so called FOB in AFG is subject to indirect fire, and C) the determination of what area is or isnt a “combat zone” is way the hell above your pay grade. I never said that the “pro-rated” approach wasnt a good one, I think it is. Let me offer you a bit of education...a rifle slinging grunt isnt the only hazardous endevor in a combat zone! There are plenty of support roles and many in aviation that make the mission even possible...that is before grunt shit like yourself attempts to kick in a door! Those guys (again) are sitting in those FARP’s and FOB’s living and dying for each other and for their country. Dont break your arm patting yourself on the back for doing your f’ing job!
41 posted on 02/06/2012 10:18:47 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: TheGunny

Got to love your obvious and deliberate condescending tone.

I never said there were FOBs in Kuwait. I was merely using Kuwait as an example of what I believe is an abuse of Imminent Danger pay. I also use the term FOB loosely to represent all camps and bases as many in the Armed Forces do this. I know the difference between them.

In one one of my first posts (the one that inspired you to respond to me), I clearly stated that the bad part of this policy could potentially be that many people other than grunts like myself, are in harms way are deserving of such extra pay. But i can only assume you skipped over that part.

You assume a lot, overlook much, and act is if another human being can’t have an opinion other than your own.

If such beliefs are above my pay grade, wouldn’t your single minded approach to attack mine be above your pay grade as well?

Like my tagline states: People like freedom of speech, but only when it’s sweet to their ears.

Maybe you should get off that high horse of yours.


42 posted on 02/06/2012 12:50:54 PM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: Razwan

I agree with you.

This change keeps things generally honest in regards to collecting imminent danger pay. You only get paid for the days you were in country. There is nothing wrong with that and saves quite a bit, I’m sure.


43 posted on 02/06/2012 1:16:35 PM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: Nachum

They are not even pretending to be on our side any omre.


44 posted on 02/06/2012 5:37:08 PM PST by Salman
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To: rollo tomasi
These two agree with the President

As do I. I can't tell you how sick I grew watching what I termed "war tourists" come to Afghanistan for a few days, then go to Germany for a few days, then back to Afghanistan for a few days, etc and get the full paycheck. I believe this is a smart way to save money and common sense.

45 posted on 02/07/2012 8:09:12 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: And2TheRepublic

As he pulls troops out of combat zones this may be a moot issue soon.

But, after the effects of his leadership are fully realized, my neighborhood in Southern California may be a hazardous pay area.


46 posted on 02/07/2012 9:05:54 PM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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