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If Fox Fails Us
American Thinker ^ | Feb 6, 2012 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 02/06/2012 6:18:28 AM PST by tentmaker

Over the last decade, conservatives have enjoyed Fox News, a national news network which has given conservatives a fair shake and which has been willing to expose the bigotry of the establishment media towards conservatism. Yet there is the chance that Fox News, when owner Rupert Murdoch dies, may drift towards the lockstep leftism so characteristic of other news networks.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/if_fox_fails_us.html#ixzz1lbszR489

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FOXNEWS has already failed us by deciding to support Romney and the Republican establishment, instead of presenting a fair and balanced debate of the primary candidates.

It's ironic that this article ends by suggesting that the internet will supply the next wave of conservative media. FREEREPUBLIC seems to offer a shining example of that potential.

1 posted on 02/06/2012 6:18:32 AM PST by tentmaker
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To: tentmaker

Fox has definitely failed. The news has always been manipulated to some degree. It was done back in the Rev War to build support for separating from the British.

Today technology allows it to be coordinated to a much greater extent. Also, its being done by Americans seeking to bring down America. In our past its always been done to build up the Nation.


2 posted on 02/06/2012 6:22:31 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tentmaker
Rupert Murdoch dies, may drift towards the lockstep leftism>/i>

They already have.

3 posted on 02/06/2012 6:23:05 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: tentmaker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2842917/posts

more discussion here on earlier thread

continue;)


4 posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:06 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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To: tentmaker

Then it seems Mr. Murdoch has already died.


5 posted on 02/06/2012 6:25:36 AM PST by ebersole
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To: tentmaker

FOX News is one of the MOST biased news sources.

It is Romney/BAIN/Obama 24/7.

And worse, they have absolutely no shame about it.


6 posted on 02/06/2012 6:25:39 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: tentmaker

A CHANCE????

AFOX is just a clone of CNN, TNT etc at this point, The Arabs bought them out.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 6:26:06 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: tentmaker; All

Even a shout out to FR in the interview!

Exclusive: Breitbart Has Dinner With Bill Ayers

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/exclusive-breitbart-has-dinner-bill-ayers


8 posted on 02/06/2012 6:31:24 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: tentmaker

fox was never around to make conservatives happy . it might have realized that a quick-gain audience could be garnered through placating conservatives but it is just around to make dollars for its investors. that includes snatching up “moderates” out there in tv land . sounds a lot like the Bush-Rove doctrine of trying to destroy the democrat party by making the republican party a big tent to everybody. see how well that worked out?


9 posted on 02/06/2012 6:36:21 AM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: tentmaker

I’d point you at Sky News, The Times, The Sun - all owned by Murdoch and all “supposedly” to the right of the political spectrum.

They are not. Sure, they talk the talk, while slamming out large doses of left propaganda. Just taking Fox a while to catch up.
Murdoch came out publically for Santorum, I believe (read it on here a while back). His news organisations are all in for Romney, and he runs a very tight ship as far as tone and editorial goes. Seen that first hand.
Tells you where his true loyalities lie, he has always been in it purely for himself.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 6:38:36 AM PST by EnglishCon
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To: tentmaker

It would seem that a Tea-Party oriented news channel would be an instant winner. I am frankly surprised that some rich conservative has not already launched one.

Of course, the advertisers on that channel would be instantly excoriated by the Left, some to the point where they wouldn’t advertise at all.

I still think it would work, and work well.


11 posted on 02/06/2012 6:40:18 AM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: driftdiver

“IF”

??????????


12 posted on 02/06/2012 6:44:18 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: tentmaker

I’ve been wondering whether FR could break into radio or internet tv like gbtv. I wish beck didn’t annoy me so much, and I wish gbtv was free, relying on advertisers to pay, and or make reruns free.

FRTV has a ring to it.


13 posted on 02/06/2012 6:48:03 AM PST by paintriot (Newt 2012 & 2016 Thinking long term!)
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To: tentmaker; P-Marlowe; onyx; TitansAFC; Jim Robinson

The theme of this article wasn’t really Fox News. It was about conservatives having alternative sources and strategies for overcoming bias from the left in the major broadcast and cable news outlets. They mentioned radio, books, articles, and the internet.

All true.

However, the article misses a crucial issue. Speed.

The MSM can have their bias out and around the world twice before those other forms of media can give counter-information. Speed is a huge advantage on any battlefield, and it is in information warfare as well.

It means the MSM enemy ALWAYS gets to set the agenda, frame the issue, and characterize the combatants. That means that the conservative alternative media is always playing catch up and redefinition.

With some long term concerns like abortion that is ok.

But with something like a political campaign in which speed and defining one’s enemy is crucial, the MSM has it head and shoulders over the redefinition assets of the conservative alternatives.

If conservatives truly desire to be engaged in the communication wars, then they must find a means of getting their message to the masses AS QUICKLY as does the MSM. I don’t see that at their hands at the moment in terms of technology. The only way to do it at this point will be with such amazing organization that they can NOTICEABLY get their message to every home in America in a matter of minutes.

They must find a way to seize the initiative rather than always be reacting.


14 posted on 02/06/2012 6:48:08 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: tentmaker

My wife said she has gotten to the point she’d just as rather watch CNN. She says at least with them she KNOWS where they stand. Fox pretends to be something they’re not. I’ve stopped watching them. I know lots of conservatives who’ve stopped watching them. Their ratings have gone up which means more liberals are watching.


15 posted on 02/06/2012 6:49:08 AM PST by Terry Mross (.)
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To: tentmaker

Is this the Foxnews that has already come up with the slogan - Mitt-mentum.


16 posted on 02/06/2012 6:49:52 AM PST by FreedomGuru (Oil is as natural as daises and rainbows.)
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To: tentmaker
Roger Ailes leaned right when the network started. His turn to the left took a sharp and fast increase after his meeting with Soros.

I sometimes watch Fox Business and have not watched FNC in almost a year. Strange, since I was one of those who had the FNC log burned into the LLH corner of my old plasma TV screen :)

17 posted on 02/06/2012 6:50:51 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

” it is just around to make dollars for its investors.”

Simplistic view.

These media companies support an obvious globalist agenda which they push regardless of its impact on the bottom line.

Newsweek, MSNBC, NYT, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and a host of other dinosaur media outlets all demonstrate their priorities.


18 posted on 02/06/2012 6:51:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tentmaker

“If” Fox fails? News flash for ya, skippy!


19 posted on 02/06/2012 6:52:45 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: tentmaker

> FOXNEWS has already failed us by deciding to support Romney and the Republican establishment, instead of presenting a fair and balanced debate of the primary candidates.

You nailed it.

Even Drudge is in the tank for the Dim/RINO Establishment.


20 posted on 02/06/2012 6:52:45 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: xzins

We are always on defense. Every day it is a new assault by the left. We control the House, and accomplish nothing.


21 posted on 02/06/2012 6:59:20 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: tentmaker
I agree with the previous posts. Fox has already failed us. And if their goal is to improve the bottom line by moving to the center then they are failing their stockholders as well.

Take a look at at this and you will see what I mean. They may be gaining the middle but they are losing the right and that includes me. I'm no longer a Faux News fan.


22 posted on 02/06/2012 7:01:14 AM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: tentmaker

Are there any Conservatives watching Fox anymore?


23 posted on 02/06/2012 7:04:02 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: tentmaker

It is rather simple why Foxnew is so much in the tank for Romney. Foxnews Radio is mainly carried by the stations that are owned Clear Channel which in turn is owned by Bain Capital. At the end it is all about the money.


24 posted on 02/06/2012 7:11:48 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: tentmaker

Fox News failed us years ago, when they called Florida for Gore before the polls in the Panhandle had even closed. They were the first network that night to make that call. Since that night, I stopped watching any of their evening programs or their election coverage. I only viewed Fox & Friends, and Megyn Kelly from time to time. For the past year or so however, I have stopped watching them completely. Like the rest of the cable news networks, they don’t exist to me. Everything I need to know can be found on FR.


25 posted on 02/06/2012 7:22:59 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: tentmaker

Where has this guy been the last year or so? Foxney News has already made the left hand turn. I can hardly bear to watch it. We get 80% of our news on the internet.


26 posted on 02/06/2012 7:30:39 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tentmaker

TV news is about making money for the business’ owners. If Fox were to become stridently conservative, watchers would disappear and money would be lost. That would mean no Fox at all. Keep your perspective.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 7:33:15 AM PST by pabianice (")
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To: Eccl 10:2

Eccl 10:2 wrote:
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It would seem that a Tea-Party oriented news channel would be an instant winner. I am frankly surprised that some rich conservative has not already launched one.

Of course, the advertisers on that channel would be instantly excoriated by the Left, some to the point where they wouldn’t advertise at all.

I still think it would work, and work well.
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I agree. And advertisers on talk radio get excoriated by the left, but they still make billions of dollars from those of us on the right! :-)


28 posted on 02/06/2012 7:34:02 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: tentmaker

The minute that Juan Williams appeared on Fox, the move toward the left became terminal.

Now, all of the morning shows are “twiterpated” with Romney, liberal causes and all means of supporting non-patriotic issues.

Over the past months, I no longer watch it on TV. On the internet I still read some reports and articles.

The cancer of Political Correctness has finally killed out last source of conservative and REAL unbiased news.

RIP Fox News.


29 posted on 02/06/2012 7:34:02 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: tentmaker

They have already failed us carrying Romney’s water...

but the key is Roger Ailes...Murdoch hired him is all

Ailes has a hands off 100% deal with Murdoch...completely and Rupert has no desire to upset the cash cow

now Rupert’s kids are all liberals by our standards...some are very very liberal and Wendy is a lefty too

it’s grim...they could fire Ailes as well and he won’t live forever

but given as how I watch less of FOX now..it means less to me than ever

shame an actual conservative does not own a network


30 posted on 02/06/2012 7:37:42 AM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: pabianice

pabianice wrote:
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TV news is about making money for the business’ owners. If Fox were to become stridently conservative, watchers would disappear and money would be lost. That would mean no Fox at all. Keep your perspective.
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Your first statement is certainly true, but I’m not sure I agree with the rest of your perspective... After all, Fox News exploded in popularity precisely *because* it included the conservative viewpoint as part of its news coverage, which in turn drew the patronage of millions of displaced conservative viewerss who for so long had felt alienated and frustrated with the left-wing bias on all the other “news” networks. I think the Fox News channel would be wise not to curtail it’s appeal to conservatives if it wishes to maintain its stronghold as the #1 TV news outlet.


31 posted on 02/06/2012 7:45:29 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: tentmaker

Failure is in the eye of the beholder ....I dont see it .....there are plenty if voices on Fox.


32 posted on 02/06/2012 7:47:42 AM PST by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: dagogo redux

Greetings dagogo redux:

Oddly enough, when the TV/VHS set died in 2010, I didn’t miss the leftward drift of FoxsNooze Whoreraldo, O’Reilly, the SanFransicko Mayor divorcee chick, etc. enough to replace my TV.

My Glenn Beck fix used to come from watchglennbeck.com, but after FoxsNooze and Beck parted; filled time with more websurfing, book reading, talk-radio listening, outdoors enjoyment, etc.

Although now a GBTV subscriber, I’m much too busy websurfing, book reading, talk-radio listening, outdoors enjoyment, ect. to even watch GBTV.

Cheers,
OLA


33 posted on 02/06/2012 7:48:25 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: ZULU
The Arabs bought them out.

The Murdoch family owns between 35-40% of Newscorp stock.

Kingdom Holdings owns 7%

They are second largest stockholder but by a very large margin and have no director slots of note.

The Saudi company also owns nice blocks in the following:

Amazon
AOL/Time Warner
Apple Inc.
Canary Wharf
Citigroup
Coca Cola
Compaq
Disneyland Paris
eBay
Four Seasons Hotels & Resorts
Fairmont Hotels & Resorts
Ford
Hotel George V, Paris
Hewlett-Packard
McDonald's
Motorola
Mövenpick Hotels & Resorts
News Corporation
PepsiCo
Priceline.com Inc
Procter & Gamble
The Walt Disney Company
Twitter[5]

I'm not sure how political they are but for folks living in tents before oil just a few generations ago they have sure learned to appreciate money rather fast.

34 posted on 02/06/2012 7:50:59 AM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: tentmaker

Fox News is really horrible.

But its way better than the second best news.


35 posted on 02/06/2012 7:50:59 AM PST by kidd
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To: mass55th

Sorry, mass55th:

You’re mistaken. It was Fox’s 2000 election’s news coverage NOT calling Florida for AlGore is why I began watching FoxsNooze.

OLA


36 posted on 02/06/2012 7:52:46 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism; All
It would seem that a Tea-Party oriented news channel would be an instant winner. I am frankly surprised that some rich conservative has not already launched one.

Think way out of the box for a moment...

The framework is their regardless of how you think of him i.e. Glenn Beck and GBTV.

All he needs is Oprah to fail and he picks up her network and channel at chapter 11 prices as her rating continue to slide.

He needs to have capital handy when she falls on her agenda driven backside.

The Schadenfreude moment of that if it ever occurred would be delicious beyond belief...

37 posted on 02/06/2012 7:56:13 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: tentmaker
It's ironic that this article ends by suggesting that the internet will supply the next wave of conservative media.

Don't get your hopes up with the internet. I'm sure the government and the left will find a way to totally take over and control it. Free Republic will be one of the first on the list of removals by those commies.

38 posted on 02/06/2012 7:56:54 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Jane Long
Roger Ailes leaned right when the network started. His turn to the left took a sharp and fast increase after his meeting with Soros.

Soros made him an "offer he couldn't refuse"?

39 posted on 02/06/2012 7:59:19 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: wardaddy

Well, I think they acquired and honed their bargaining skills a long time ago, ripping off caravans needing drinking water, and dealing in slaves.

At any rate,they are clearly enemies of western civilization (also eastern Civilization and any others that might be out there.)

Wher can you get information on who holds interest in what businesses?


40 posted on 02/06/2012 8:01:12 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

Fox is the media outlet that’s pounding Holder on F&F.


41 posted on 02/06/2012 8:02:58 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: kidd

“Fox News is really horrible.

But its way better than the second best news.”

And, add to that the fact that they still DO cover many (admittedly, not ALL) of the things that the MSM spikes.


42 posted on 02/06/2012 8:09:00 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
I might be old and have some memory lapses from time to time, but I recall that night fairly well. VNS supplied the numbers to all of the networks...FOX included. According to an article titled:

Election Night Meltdown, posted at:

Fair.org

Here's a quote from the article:

"Although final assessments of what went wrong are still being prepared by television news operations, most reports fault VNS for providing the bad numbers that resulted in early calls projecting Gore as Florida’s winner. NBC and its cable sibling MSNBC declared Florida for Gore at 7:49 p.m. (EST). Over the next 13 minutes, CNN, Fox and CBS followed suit, with ABC not making the false call until 8:02 p.m."

Then farther down, the electoral correction for Bush:

"All of the outlets corrected their Gore gaffe within minutes of each other, beginning with CNN just before 10 p.m. Some four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox News was first to project Florida’s 25 electoral votes for Bush, prompting the network’s declaration of Bush as the next president. Within four minutes the other networks followed."

I may have recalled wrongly that Fox had been the first network to call Florida for Gore, but they did do it, then back-tracked later after other networks set the record straight. Either way, they were on my $hit list from that time on.

43 posted on 02/06/2012 8:24:53 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: paintriot
"I’ve been wondering whether FR could break into radio or internet tv like gbtv. I wish beck didn’t annoy me so much, and I wish gbtv was free, relying on advertisers to pay, and or make reruns free.

I hear what you are saying and this is one of the reasons Conservatives will NEVER be more than a small group the GOP will make believe they support until elected then drop us like a hot potato (or potatoe).

Why? For Example: Your comment regarding Glenn Beck is shared by many on FR and I guess it demonstrates Conservatives will throw someone under the bus even though 80%-90% of the time they are aligned with our core beliefs.

Name one news organization who dug up more VERIFIABLE dirt on the scum inhabiting the WH right now than Glenn Beck. Yet because Glenn can be emotional, controversial, or what ever Conservatives abandoned him in droves.

I agree, I do not like Glenn's format but where could he go? If he were solely funded by advertising he would have to hold his tongue on things like Obama being a Marxist or the true enemy within this country, George Soros. I subscribed as it is only $1 per week and there still is something to be learned in every show Glenn puts on. On the other hand his radio show stinks on ice IMO.

The reason the democrats have been successful while supporting a 100% provable failure of government strategies is they will support their candidate as long as that candidate holds on to just a couple of core beliefs. Kill the unborn. Make minorities completely dependent on the Federal Government. After that they don't care. That is why you have known terrorists cozy with this administration. Bill Ayres and his ilk are welcome because they support those few core beliefs. They cozy up to SELF AVOWED communists, Marxists, government building bombing radicals... because they like support killing the unborn and love to keep minorities on the plantation.

Hell dumbocraps will even use every Saul Alinsky trick in his dishonest book to throw their support behind Muslims which are another group of SELF AVOWED anti-Americans bent on our destruction. Conservatives however have many more core beliefs and it is almost impossible to find someone who does not stray on one or two of those beliefs.

44 posted on 02/06/2012 8:26:03 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: tentmaker

I would love to have an unashamed conservative cable news station. I would buy it, and I would do what I did for Fox News in their early days. I went around and changed every Sam’s Club, Department store, or other publicly available TV to their station.

It was fun. It was a game. I also made it part of my routine to ask hotels and restaurants if they carried Fox.

After they became mushy centrists, and after they hired so many wacked out lefties (Geraldo comes to mind), I lost all enthusiasm for supporting them. I am glad they still have some conservatives on, but the station as a whole is disappointing.

I would love a true conservative news station, and I think a lot of other Americans (including many lefties who like to get angry) would like it, too.


45 posted on 02/06/2012 8:26:41 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: tentmaker

Fox and Murdoch were never on the right wing side.

Fox was always about making money and that is all.

The networks were blatently leftist which left an unfilled hole in news programing and Fox filled it.

But don’t worry. If Fox vacates that position, some other capitalist will fill it and make bushels of money in the process.


46 posted on 02/06/2012 8:33:13 AM PST by staytrue
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To: ecomcon
"We are always on defense. Every day it is a new assault by the left. We control the House, and accomplish nothing."

Boy you touched on a sort spot here. We have alleged Conservatives in the media allowing this phony narative of the economy getting better because of the administration's policies go unchallenged?

We are Conservatives, we are supposed to know better when it comes to things like which branch of government controls the purse strings.

As the impostor president loves to do, lets go back to the Bush administration which, under that administration, (and a GOP led congress) we had economic growth even after 9-11.

Once the congress was taken over by the communists the economy started to tank and the land mind planted by Carter, added to by Barney and company, exploded.

The sycophant media used this decline to bash Bush even though you can plot this downturn on a graph and show it started once the communists took over the congress.

The islamic marxist in chief was sworn into office and made the situation much worse AND plunged us into a possibly insurmountable debt.

The last election started an reversal with the house being controlled by the GOP and guess what, the economy, anemic as it is has started to show signs of life.

NOW WHERE ARE THE ALLEGED CONSERVATIVES POUNDING ON THE PUBLIC AND STATING THE ECONOMY ONLY STARTED TO RECOVER AFTER WE TOOK OVER THE HOUSE? AFTER ALL, IT IS CONGRESS WHICH CONTROLS THE PURSE STRINGS. This message needs to be pounded home everyday otherwise the enemy within known as the MSM will give credit to a community organizer who more than likely could not balance his own checkbook.

47 posted on 02/06/2012 8:46:55 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: InvisibleChurch

We need a Conservative Network—a right thinking Media of our own. Heck even the Communists have the Daily Worker—why can we express ourselves? We should put together a media source of our own—Even if its on the internet. (Beck was right with his Blaze news outlet—but its too much under his thumb in this election). We could do several things-—
A)a Newsletter like Matt Drudge
B) an internet newspaper with daily imput and comments. The Tea Party Tribune.
C) A News Cable Channel with a right wing element the Freedom Channel—or Tea Party Cable News.


48 posted on 02/06/2012 8:47:30 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: EnglishCon

Ah, has anyone paid attention to Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal?

In 2008 it was all Obama all the time. Top of paper, usually with a smiling picture, a big article about everything Obama. Now? Now it’s the same gig except that it’s Romney that gets all the daily ink and picture.

Yeah, the editorial page may lean right, but the rest of the paper shills for the left, or at best, for the squishy RINOs. Totally biased.


49 posted on 02/06/2012 8:56:44 AM PST by Obadiah (Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATMs?)
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To: kidd

I have to laugh when watching FNC now and remembering their old slogan “we report, you decide.” Now they are just like the others, Lord they have hired every liberal cast off coming and going from the other network news dregs.

I rarely watch anymore except for Cavuto and their business network. If I want liberal crapola I will watch the real stuff on CNN or ABC.


50 posted on 02/06/2012 9:09:27 AM PST by sarge83
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