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Illinois Residents Apply For Concealed Carry Permits in Other States
wsiltv.com ^ | 4 February, 2012 | Sam Smith

Posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:35 AM PST by marktwain

WILLIAMSON CO. - Classes at John A. Logan College are helping people get the right to carry a concealed handgun in 30 different states. After the class, students are eligible to apply for a permit through the state of Utah. A step that's necessary until Illinois passes a concealed carry law.

Illinois stands alone in its views on concealed carry. It's the only state in the country that doesn't allow it, but that's not stopping people from getting a concealed carry permit.

"We travel quite a bit from state to state and sometimes you get in a position you'll feel more comfortable with if you had some kind of protection," says student Ray Wiesel.

Wiesel is among 200 people in southern Illinois who are taking a class to get that permit. For the first time, John A. Logan College held a course to help them do just that. However, the permit will not apply to Illinois. A conceal carry bill was introduced into the House last year. Representative Brandon Phelps says Chicago lawmakers have put the bill's progress on hold, worried it will lead to more violence.

"I agree with them. There are too many guns on the streets up there, but the problem is guns that are on the streets are the ones possessed by the criminals," describes Phelps.

Phelps says the high turnout here is an indication people support concealed carry.

"There are a lot of Illinois residents that have concealed carry permits in other states and here in the state that they live in they can't even get anything like that because it is not law," says Phelps.

Students participating in the course had to be finger printed, have their pictures taken and were educated on the gun laws in both Utah and Illinois. The students here still need to wait for a 60-day review period before officially getting their permits. Once that happens, they are eligible to carry a handgun in 30 of the 50 states. They hope someday soon, they'll have the right to carry in their home state.

The Illinois concealed carry bill is expected to be dicussed during the current House session. Those who have out-of-state permits will have to apply for Illinois permits if the bill is passed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; il; ut
Video at the site. I do not think it any coincidence that Chicago is considered one of, if not the, most corrupt city in the country.
1 posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:45 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The article is slightly inaccurate when it says that Illinois stands alone in not issuing carry permits. New Jersey, in fact and in practice, does not issue permits to ordinary, law-abiding citizens — although it does to retired police officers, and to security guards on duty, and a few other very restricted categories.

To get a permit as an ordinary citizen in NJ, you must have a specific threat directed at you personally, and verified. I suppose that if a criminal were to write you a notarized letter of threat (allowing you 60 days to get the permit), you might be considered. So far, I know of no cases where criminals have been thoughtful enough to make such appointments. I suppose that if you showed up dead, you could use that as evidence of a threat — but by then, it would be too late.

Massachusetts seems to have instituted a similar policy, and I am told that MD is the same. New York City only issues permits to wealthy, politically connected celebrities.

There seems to be a pattern that the more corrupt the government, the less likely it is to issue carry permits. Illinois (particular Cook County), New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts — all are notoriously corrupt politically, and all have decayed inner-cities.

Left-wing political stance is another index, but that often goes along with the general corruption.


2 posted on 02/06/2012 7:07:17 AM PST by docbnj
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To: marktwain

news reports of Illinois are always mis-leading. Illinois does not allow any type of carry...period.


3 posted on 02/06/2012 7:22:22 AM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: stylin19a; All
“news reports of Illinois are always mis-leading. Illinois does not allow any type of carry...period.”

I do not think that is quite accurate. It is my understanding that Illinois mayors and aldermen are allowed to carry. This would help explain why they are reluctant to let others do so. They already have theirs.

http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/23/gun-control-chicago-style

4 posted on 02/06/2012 7:54:12 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

well, yeah, cept for that ...


5 posted on 02/06/2012 8:42:42 AM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: marktwain

Dude,
Go the range or something.... All the posts about guns is tiresome.


6 posted on 02/06/2012 9:57:01 AM PST by Moleman
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To: marktwain

Not surprising. Kansas residents tag their vehicles in other states to evade the high personal property tax in Kansas.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 9:57:40 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: docbnj
There seems to be a pattern that the more corrupt the government, the less likely it is to issue carry permits. Illinois (particular Cook County), New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts — all are notoriously corrupt politically, and all have decayed inner-cities.

I think it more of a case where places which have a lot of organized crime penetration have restrictive gun laws. Mob extortionists don't like it when they threaten to break some citizen's leg, and he responds by blowing the mobster away.

8 posted on 02/06/2012 10:05:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Government or Mafia -

the only difference is that the government can LEGALLY use force & the threat thereof to impose its will on others.


9 posted on 02/06/2012 10:17:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: stylin19a

Not quite true. In Crook [Cook] County, certain politically connected people carry (illegaly) but with the blessings of the local Donkey machine. Those carrying include Chicago mayor, aldermen, and judges. CITIZENS are riutinely denied their rights in Chicago and Crook [Cool] County.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 10:42:45 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: marktwain
Once that happens, they are eligible to carry a handgun in 30 of the 50 states. They hope someday soon, they'll have the right to carry in their home state.

"We travel quite a bit from state to state ,,,,"

Safety for the citizens of Illinois when they leave their home state.

Another crack in the wall that was built by Chicagoland.

Win the battles that can be won by next Friday. Eventually you will win the war.

11 posted on 02/06/2012 11:16:10 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: marktwain

I lived outside Chicago up until December 2010. I was considering getting a CCW permit in Utah. There are dozens of instructors in Illinois that are certified for Utah.


12 posted on 02/06/2012 11:46:48 AM PST by KEVLAR
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To: Moleman; marktwain
Dude, Go the range or something.... All the posts about guns is tiresome.

Not to me. I very much appreciate marktwain's gun posts. I click on every one I see.

Question: Why are you on this thread?

13 posted on 02/06/2012 11:58:56 AM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL © - tomkat)
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Question: Why are you on this thread?

Fair enough!! Please enjoy the articles and comments.

14 posted on 02/06/2012 12:02:36 PM PST by Moleman
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To: marktwain

Good for the collage - the more states the better


15 posted on 02/06/2012 5:51:18 PM PST by Tubac414 (Just want to ride my Motorcycle)
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