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How Latinos Won the Race Back to Pre-Recession Employment
The Atlantic ^ | February 6, 2012 | Derek Thompson

Posted on 02/06/2012 11:55:54 AM PST by C19fan

Although Latinos make up only a seventh of the population, they have "racked up half the employment gains posted since the economy began adding jobs in early 2010", the Los Angeles Times reported this morning. In 2011, the trend accelerated. Of the 2.3 million jobs added in 2011 according to the Household Survey of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1.4 million, or 60 percent, were won by Latinos.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; charlesmurray; comingapart; gagdadbob; immigration; latinos; onecosmosblog
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You wrote: “where I live in Texas, the only people you can hire that will actually work are hispanics (physical labor)
everyone white is on drugs and wants to spend the entire day taking smoking breaks or counting their tatoos and piercings.I pay $100 a day, so it’s not about saving money it’s about getting people who will actually work.”

You may be interested in knowing that Charles Murray, in his new book, backs you up on your observations:

Amazon.com:

Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 Publication Date: January 31, 2012

Charles Murray, the bestselling author of Losing Ground and The Bell Curve, this startling long-lens view shows how America is coming apart at the seams that historically have joined our classes.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307453421/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=onecos-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0307453421&adid=0WMHW2Y3JQPHGQWZNXQ3&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fonecosmos.blogspot.com%2F

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WSJ
February 4, 2012, 5:07 PM
Charles Murray Answers Questions on America’s Growing Class Divide
http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/02/04/charles-murray-answers-questions-on-americas-growing-class-divide/?KEYWORDS=Demetria+Gallegos

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Friday, February 03, 2012
Government Of, By, and For the Ungovernable
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2012/02/government-of-by-and-for-ungovernable.html

“[O]ur topic.. involves the limits of freedom. Much of Charles Murray’s Coming Apart — which is a must read — revolves around the same subject, which ultimately comes down to the question of how a people can remain free if they reject the virtues — i.e., the intrinsic limits — that undergird the very possibility of freedom.

Murray cites various founders and foreign observers who were acutely aware of this. Indeed, in order to not know it, you must have either attended graduate school or else be among the underclass victims of the toxic ideology of our academic elites.

This is indeed one of the striking conclusions of the book, that our elites, instead of preaching what they practice — i.e., the behaviors and attitudes that resulted in their own success — preach exactly the opposite. In THE NEW CLASS: PROFITING FROM DECLINE [ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/02/the-new-class-profiting-from-decline.php ], PowerLine links to a piece at Falkenblog [ http://www.falkenblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/charles-murray-reiterates-willpower.html ] that relieves me of the need to lay the foundation:

“Murray argues the well-off should set a better example by not apologizing for their squareness, but rather, by advocating their lifestyle and scorning those who fail to live up to it — we need more of what is usually called ‘blaming the victim.’”

Nevertheless, the lower classes never stop hearing of “how great it is to be a victim, how noble it is to be poor, powerless, or discriminated [against]; to be wronged is the ultimate in righteousness.” But this is not something our hyper status-conscious elites would ever indulge in themselves:

“Alas, successful people are ashamed to assert they have better genetics, values, and habits — even though they quietly believe it to be true — and so are content to let the media and intellectuals push the delusional idea that success is like when Paris Hilton had sex on a digital camera and built a career out of it: luck, connections, and chutzpah, but no discipline, ingenuity, and perseverence. With such examples it becomes defensible to suggest most of the rich are like that — mere lucky hacks in the game of life. The flip side is that those who are unsuccessful are suffering for no fault of their own” (Falkenstein).

Speaking of Falkenstein’s monster, the whole thing is a weird and twisted academic experiment in reverse-prometheanism: a misguided attempt to make man better by making him worse, or transcendence via regression.

I know many successful liberals who are full of covert (and not so covert) narcissistic superiority, which they deny through assimilation of the liberal sensibility described above. There is nothing empathic or compassionate about them. They live their own lives in a conservative, even blandly bourgeois, manner, and yet, advocate an entirely different set of values for the unsuccessful.

These unsuccessful victims of someone else’s success function only as props in the liberal’s personal psychodrama. They have no interest whatsoever in understanding the actual behaviors that result in poverty or in success. Indeed, they need the poor in order to elevate themselves, which helps explain their dogged adherence to policies that are guaranteed to create more of them.

Murray attempts to distill the cardinal virtues that resulted in America’s unprecedented success — which for him are marriage, industriousness, honesty, and religiosity — and in so doing, show how unique they were to America.

In fact, this is something everyone once knew, both here and abroad. He cites an example from 1825, when a European observer wrote that “no government could be established on the same principle as that of the United States, with a different code of morals.”

Furthermore, our Constitution “can only suffice a people habitually correct in their actions, and would be utterly inadequate to the wants of a different nation. Change the domestic habits of the Americans, their religious devotion, and their respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government” (Francis Grund, emphasis mine).

How extraordinarily prescient! Yes, the ACLU is a strict adherent to the Constitution — the perverse Constitution that results from a complete rejection of the spirit and values that inspired it.

Murray cites various founders, such as Madison: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people is a chimerical idea.”

Franklin: “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

Patrick Henry: “bad men cannot make good citizens.... No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue.”

Tocqueville: “travelers who have visited North America.... all agree in remarking that morals are far more strict there than elsewhere.”

Even Jefferson (not that his erratic thought process should hold any particular weight, except that he seems to be the perennial favorite of the adultolescent left): “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?”

One could go on and on. The point is, self-government requires first and foremost government of oneself. But with the symbolic ascendence of Obama, we have reached the dangerous tipping point of a government of, by, and for the ungovernable. Or, perhaps of the insufferable over the ungovernable, the former enabling the latter with a poisonous and destructive ideology that is guaranteed to produce more of the victims that justify the ideology.

Again, all of the above goes to the ninth of our Ten Universal Principles, which concerns the limits of freedom.

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Ten Universal Principles: A Brief Philosophy of the Life Issues [Paperback]
Robert J. Spitzer (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1586174754?ie=UTF8&tag=onecos-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=1586174754

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I couldn’t possibly express it more clearly than Tocqueville, who is quoted by Murray:

“Thus, while the law permits the Americans to do what they please, religion prevents them from” doing so. The latter “must be regarded as the first of their political institutions,” for “Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other.”

But as we have said before, leftism is quintessentially “the possibility of the impossible,” endeavoring always to bring about what can never be, through ideas and principles that should never have been.

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Falkenblog
Wednesday, February 01, 2012
Charles Murray Reiterates Willpower
http://www.falkenblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/charles-murray-reiterates-willpower.html

I really liked Tierney and Baumeister’s book Willpower. Their argument is that willpower is a very useful skill, one that like a muscle tires when used, but can be strengthened through repetition. We should all practice daily acts of self-control to become more productive.

Charles Murray’s latest book Coming Apart addresses the same theme, noting that society is splitting up into classes based on their abilities, which are highly driven by bourgeois values. Over the past 50 years, the working class have lost their industriousness, honesty, religion, and respect for marriage, and he presents a bunch of data to bolster this argument (eg, less than 5% of college educated white women have children out of wedlock, but 40% of white women without college do).

This book is a straightforward extension of the main arguments in his two prior best sellers, where in Losing Ground he argued that the Welfare State is destructive to productivity and ethical development, and in The Bell Curve that society is sorting itself into a meritocratic class structure. By focusing on white people and that portion of individual skill amenable to environment—willpower—he tries to avoid issues of genetics and racial politics that were a large part of The Bell Curve commentary. ....”

[snip] bttt


21 posted on 02/06/2012 2:43:39 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The Texas propensity to adore the little brown cheap Mexican laborer, an attitude which you display so proudly, is the main reason why Perry did so poorly in the primary and why we will NEVER see another President from Texas again. Can’t be trusted.


22 posted on 02/06/2012 2:52:02 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I pay $100 a day cash, that’s not exactly cheap, and many days it’s just janator type work.

Like I said it’s not about the money, it’s about finding someone honest who is willing and able to do the work.


23 posted on 02/06/2012 3:00:26 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"I’m not racist, in fact I about as lilly white as it comes. but I am just relating my personal experience. ..."

Ironic, isn't it, that professing "conservatives" would be taking up the mantra of the Left. Especially when the "personal experience" you relate, is backed up with invincible statistics by Charles Murray, who "in his latest book Coming Apart, addresses the same theme.... Over the past 50 years, the working class have lost their industriousness, honesty, religion, and respect for marriage, and he presents a bunch of data to bolster this argument (eg, less than 5% of college educated white women have children out of wedlock, but 40% of white women without college do)...."

See my previous post to you. The DETAILS are there at the links.

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"Truly, "racism" has devolved to a word used by liberals when they have lost the argument." ~ Gagdad Bob

24 posted on 02/06/2012 3:04:58 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: central_va

Sorry, but that’s the truth. And they’re not paid poorly here, either.

There are good paying unskilled jobs going begging here because we don’t have any of our native population (black or white) that is willing or even able to take them.

That’s a problem with our educational system and our social standards (why should so many young men be blowing their brains out and ruining their future with drugs and petty crime?). We have to address that.


25 posted on 02/06/2012 3:05:26 PM PST by livius
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Like I said it’s not about the money, it’s about finding someone honest who is willing and able to do the work.

You run a corrupt (criminal) little cash day labor service using illegal alien labor and lament not being able to find "honest" cheap white labor. You are a disgusting person....

26 posted on 02/06/2012 3:08:30 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

lol

so if some guy comes and knocks on your door offering to mow your lawn... you check his immergration status, and fill out a W9 for him too? lol

right.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 3:17:35 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I cut my own grass. I don't need slaves to do my work.

Seal the border now so creeps like you can starve.

Here's hoping you go chapter 11 real soon partner.

28 posted on 02/06/2012 3:25:05 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
lol

ok, so the next time you get a leak in your roof or need to have some tiled layed I expect you to check each workers immigration status.

29 posted on 02/06/2012 3:27:47 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If I’m the guy hiring them directly - yes. (Along with getting their W2’s filled out).

If I hire a roofing company to put on the new roof (last year) - no I don’t. That is their responsibility.

I have hired white kids just out of college for part-time help and they have all been good workers. I have worked with Mexicans and they have also been good workers.

In the past at places I worked with manual labor, I was more impressed with the Mexicans than the whites.


30 posted on 02/06/2012 3:40:23 PM PST by 21twelve
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31 posted on 02/06/2012 3:42:18 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: 21twelve

Everyone I hire is an independent contractor no different than the roofing company you hire to fix your roof.


32 posted on 02/06/2012 4:05:55 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Matchett-PI

That Falkenstein guy has some good stuff on his blog.


33 posted on 02/06/2012 4:25:01 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Well then, as long as you send them a 1099 if they do more than six days of work for you you’re good to go.


34 posted on 02/06/2012 4:55:36 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Yardstick
"That Falkenstein guy has some good stuff on his blog."

He does.

35 posted on 02/06/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I lay my own tile and my roof has a 30 year guarantee.

You're a crook. a boastful one at that.

36 posted on 02/07/2012 1:18:59 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Did you really think Free Republic is a place where you would find friends that covort about exploiting an open border a slave labor practices? Really?


37 posted on 02/07/2012 1:22:51 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I live in Massachusetts, which as you know is a very welfare friendly state, but we still have lots of highschool kids working in the stores and supermarkets. A woman I know who moved up here from Texas says that you cannot find Americans working in the supermarket, it is all Mexicans. She also told me that people cannot leave anything outdoors or it will be stolen. She lived near El Paso which has a heavy Mexican population.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 9:49:17 AM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: central_va; TexasFreeper2009
You run a corrupt (criminal) little cash day labor service using illegal alien labor and lament not being able to find "honest" cheap white labor. You are a disgusting person....

Hey, a man does what a man has to do. Do you want to do janitorial work? Anybody you know? Any relatives? Oh, no one you can think of will do janitorial work, so what is your solution, don't do it? Make the staff police their own areas and dump the trash?

Right, no solutions, yet when a man does what is necessary, you call him disgusting. What I call you is a total hypocrite. And here is some wisdom from the ages, remember when you point your finger at another, three fingers are pointing right back at you. So what is your solution...... waiting, wainting.. Oh, more whining, that will do it.

39 posted on 05/27/2015 10:37:08 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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