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Bloomberg Report Takes Aim At Mormon Church For Online Gun Sales
BuzzFeed ^ | February 6, 2012 | McKay Coppins

Posted on 02/06/2012 1:13:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Mormon Church owns one of the most active and unregulated gun sale portals on the web, according to a national investigation released by the New York City Mayor's office.

The website in question is KSL.com, the online hub for Utah's NBC affiliate and sister radio station, which are both owned and operated by the for-profit arm of the Mormon Church. In addition to local news, KSL.com produces a popular classifieds section that reaches millions of users well beyond Utah.

The LDS connection drew little notice when Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a leading financier of the gun control movement, published the report in December, but an official involved with Bloomberg's investigation is calling out the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for putting "profits over principle."

"A church, like any other organization, has the right to raise money," said the person, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the mayor. "But one would think that a church would feel a special obligation to make sure that they weren't fueling a black market for a particularly deadly form of commerce."

According to the Bloomberg report, KSL.com had the third-most active gun listings of any site on the web during a 100-day period last year (2,713), coming in behind only large specialty firearm sites Gunlistings.org, and Armslist.com, and beating out even Craigslist.

But the real problem isn't the volume, the report's authors say; it's the unregulated nature of KSL.com. While other classifieds sites require users to deal only on their sites with registered and confirmed accounts, KSL makes it easy for buyers and sellers to deal behind closed doors.

From the report:

[On KSL.com] sellers frequently list their contact email and phone number, which are openly displayed on the ad. This feature makes it easy for buyers to contact sellers and arrange to buy a firearm without identifying themselves – a feature that is particularly attractive to unscrupulous purchasers who do not want their purchases detected or recorded. And the website allows visitors to search for items being sold by private individuals who, in contrast to licensed dealers, are not required to conduct background checks.

Brett Atkinson, general manager of the site, insisted that KSL is a "responsible corporate citizen" that cooperates with law enforcement, and "frequently reviews its policies and procedures."

But its own internal reviews have yielded little change in its approach to gun ads--even as local police have raised concerns.

According to an article published last March in the Deseret News,which is also owned by the Mormon church, KSL considered eliminating the firearm category from its site altogether, under pressure from state law enforcement. Ultimately, though, it decided to keep the gun ads, opting only to post a guide to gun sale laws more prominently on its homepage.

"The responsibility for the transaction is that of the parties involved," Atkinson said. "This is just like any other transaction, a vehicle, a lawnmower, a bicycle."

But the person involved with the Bloomberg investigation said KSL and the Mormon church should set a higher bar for gun ads.

"The fact that they have looked into this makes it clear that they understand they have a problem, he said. "If they have essentially decided to press on without taking effective action, it seems they've made a choice to put profits over principle."

He continued: "If you're going to [facilitate sales] for something deadly, you have an obligation to make sure it's done legally and appropriately," the person said. "Just throwing up your hands and saying, 'We're not willing to give up this profit center' is unacceptable, and particularly so when it comes from a religious organization."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bloodoftyrants; bloomberg; classifieds; donttreadonme; guncontrol; gungrabbers; guns; ksl; lds; liberalfascism; michaelbloomberg; mormonchurch; mormons; nannystate; report; tyranny

1 posted on 02/06/2012 1:13:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: bang_list

BANG!


2 posted on 02/06/2012 1:17:27 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Classified ads from a radio station/newspaper website without censoring guns!!! Oh the horror!!!


3 posted on 02/06/2012 1:18:17 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...

Nanny State PING!


4 posted on 02/06/2012 1:18:37 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Where does Bloomberg get any authority to act against the Mormons?


5 posted on 02/06/2012 1:19:27 PM PST by billybudd
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So, let me get this straight...

The eviiiiil Mormons sell guns.

The moral dim-bulb-crats sell abortions.

And I’m supposed to go after the Mormons?

Wanna bet which “sales” produce more deaths?


6 posted on 02/06/2012 1:23:29 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

IIRC KSL is where I ordered a couple of pellet rifles. Got my order promptly via FEDeX and the order was exactly as I requested, with extra air cannisters and pellets to boot. Good folks to do business with. If I remember correctly, you can order black powder weaponry through them also, for home delivery.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 1:24:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
and beating out even Craigslist.

WTH are they talking about? Gun listings are prohibited on stupid cl.

8 posted on 02/06/2012 1:26:39 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Any comparison of the number if people killed by F&F guns vs. KSL guns? Didn’t think so


9 posted on 02/06/2012 1:27:34 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Isn’t the Bishop Romney anti-gun?

And...why does Bloomberg get to comment!? Doesn’t he have enough on his own plate?


10 posted on 02/06/2012 1:27:55 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

KSL.com does nothing that any other newspaper/radio station couldn’t do. It has a free online Classifieds section - where anyone who wants to, can buy/sell just about anythign. I got rid of a 1980’s style oak bedroom set, some exercise equipment and a water softener. Just take a digital picture, throw up an asking price - and list it.

It’s 100% free - open to anyone who wants to look/sell or buy.

Guns, ammo, loading equipment, campers, cars, knives ... and it’s free. The fact that it’s owned by the LDS Church was news to me ... but so what? They aren’t doing anything wrong, immoral or criminal. Any other newspaper, radio station or newstation with a website could do the same thing. The fact that they don’t; makes one wonder why, doesn’t it? KSL gets lots of free marketing, because most everyone in the Salt Lake City area checks that website out.


11 posted on 02/06/2012 1:31:08 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Now the guns.......

First it was online cigarette sellers, he got his way on that so he expects the gun sellers to go along just as willingly - boy is he in for a BIIIIIIIIG SURPRISE!


12 posted on 02/06/2012 1:32:23 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

To what group are they focusing their marketing? To the general public, or to other Mormons.

Google The Google the White Horse Prophesy.


13 posted on 02/06/2012 1:55:44 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Craigslist has never allowed firearms ads. What’s this reporter smoking?


14 posted on 02/06/2012 1:56:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

John M. Browning, who was the greatest gun designer ever, was a Mormon.

Two of his designs are over 100 years old and still in daily use by the military today. Imagine that!


15 posted on 02/06/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Finally, a reason to like Mormons more -

If Romney wins the nomination, how about this:

"2012 - Pick a Mormon or a moron"

16 posted on 02/06/2012 2:17:53 PM PST by Chainmail
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Sounds good to me. I live in BC and have been considering starting to spend a few winter months in SW year to year camping and hiking in the desert, wondering about moving a gun or two back and forth, buying something there I can't bring back etc. Like this Serbu Super-Shorty.


17 posted on 02/06/2012 2:29:51 PM PST by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Fundraisers...

It aint just bake sales anymore...


18 posted on 02/06/2012 2:37:04 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: billybudd
I suppose he feels he's been so effective in attacking the Second Amendment that it is now time to extend his tentacles to the First.
19 posted on 02/06/2012 2:39:33 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yup, those Mormons are just a bunch of gun-runners! Next thing you know, they’ll be selling AK47s to Mexican drug lords to....

Oh wait. Never mind.


20 posted on 02/06/2012 2:56:59 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just went to KSL.com.
Bottom of the page is classifieds.
Go to hunting and then guns and WOW, great site,
Thanks Mikey Bloomie ya sap.
I’d have never known had you not pitched a bitch.

Now I have to go to KSL to purchase another gun.
And of course MORE AMMO.


21 posted on 02/06/2012 3:11:08 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"If you're going to [facilitate sales] for something deadly, you have an obligation to make sure it's done legally and appropriately,"

This is an outright fabrication. He is either grossly uninformed or an outright liar.

Every action he describes is 100% legal.
Gun sales are one of the most closely monitored commercial activities in the country. Violations of gun laws are prosecuted as vigorously as any crime you can name. If this was illegal it would have been stopped long ago.

The only people violating gun laws without quick and vigorous prosecution are various federal and state law enforcement agencies, especially the BATFE.

22 posted on 02/06/2012 3:17:40 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
KSL operates from Salt Lake City, UT. It is perfectly legal to conduct private firearm sales between individuals in Utah. Ditto for neighboring Idaho. It is not like fascist New York or California where a gun dealer and perhaps a government agency have to get in on the action and graft. Bloomberg needs to shut up and mind his own business. I really wish the FBI would arrest him for sending his hirelings to other states to attempt to conduct illegal firearms transactions. He was doing that well before Fast and Furious erupted from ATF.
23 posted on 02/06/2012 3:32:52 PM PST by Myrddin
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24 posted on 02/06/2012 3:36:52 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oohhh No!

Private citizens buying private property without feral government control!!

Run for your lives!!!


25 posted on 02/06/2012 4:02:46 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (I despise those Progressive Obama Socialists.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Stay in NYC and stay out of American, Bloomingidiot!


26 posted on 02/06/2012 4:24:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Joe Boucher

I tell you what, that site also has an outstanding section for knife sales.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 5:35:51 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Gabz

God bless the NRA and the US Constitution.

Emperor Bloomberg the freelance tyrant steamrolled smokers much like a Panzer division through Poland.

It’s fun to watch what happens to tyrants when they meet their match.


28 posted on 02/06/2012 9:59:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 02/07/2012 1:49:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
KSL.com had the third-most active gun listings of any site on the web during a 100-day period last year (2,713), coming in behind only large specialty firearm sites Gunlistings.org, and Armslist.com, and beating out even Craigslist.

So we can assume they had at least one ad then....(Craigslist won't accept gun ads)

30 posted on 02/07/2012 10:48:11 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
a feature that is particularly attractive to unscrupulous purchasers who do not want their purchases detected or recorded

As opposed to SCRUPULOUS purchasers who don't assume the government has some inherent right to know their every move.

31 posted on 02/07/2012 10:52:13 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: billybudd

From the god of the Godless, Hussein 0bama..


32 posted on 02/15/2012 2:45:49 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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