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WH: Women 'Deserve' to Have Catholic Church Buy Them Sterilizations...and Abortifacients
CNS News ^ | 02/06/2012 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 02/06/2012 2:39:51 PM PST by Pyro7480

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday that American women "deserve" to have their employers buy them health insurance plans that cover sterlizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions, with no fees or co-pay, even if the employer is a Catholic or Catholic organization that adheres to the church teaching that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortifacients are morally wrong and that Catholics cannot be involved in them.

"I understand that there have been objections and that some people disagree with us and we are going to work with institutions that have concerns here," Carney told reporters. "But I think it's important to note here that we believe these services are important and that American women deserve to have access to that kind of insurance coverage regardless of where they work."

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Video at link above. They are really stuck on stupid on this.
1 posted on 02/06/2012 2:39:59 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480

The Obama White House keeps poking and poking Catholics.

WHEN are they going to make a stand?


2 posted on 02/06/2012 2:42:56 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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3 posted on 02/06/2012 2:47:51 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Pyro7480

Yesterday my priest got up and gave his sermon...a sermon like I’ve never heard before. He told us that we were not going to take this...Catholics have first amendment rights too.

We ALWAYS hear about the need for separation of church and state. Government may not entangle itself with religion. But now government is beyond an entanglement...they are dictating to religious institutions not only what we must do...but that we have no right to our religious principles.

This IS a declaration of war. You know how serious Obama’s intention is in this case...because his media refuses to cover this crisis.

ABCBSCNNPRPBSNBC know the administraiton is attempting to break the church. So...they...simply...pretend...it...isn’t...happening.

Slime.


4 posted on 02/06/2012 2:48:34 PM PST by kjo
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To: Pyro7480

Single women are the largest Kenyan lizard voting block. The lizard is just buying votes.

Catholics will retaliate. All religious people should understand the attack on religious belief. I predict the Kenyan will attack Jews next.


5 posted on 02/06/2012 2:48:46 PM PST by y6162
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


6 posted on 02/06/2012 2:50:54 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

The Catholic church should start shutting down its hospitals and schools.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 2:53:02 PM PST by pallis
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To: Responsibility2nd
90% of the Catholic dioceses in the U.S. have spoken out on this: Updated: *166* Bishops (90% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate
8 posted on 02/06/2012 2:53:41 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
"I understand that there have been objections and that some people disagree with us and we are going to work with institutions that have concerns here"

some people?

Howzabout God, Mr Carney?

Oh, that's right. You and your boss believe in Him insofar as that "concept" is able to gin up more votes for you.

9 posted on 02/06/2012 2:55:30 PM PST by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Pyro7480

Good. I just wish 90% of the Catholic politicians like Biden and Pelosi would get on board with their Church.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 2:57:28 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Pyro7480

they deserve sterilizations..This sounds like Obama’s science czar, Bill Gates, UN, NWO


11 posted on 02/06/2012 3:00:11 PM PST by opentalk
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To: pallis
The Catholic church should start shutting down its hospitals and schools.

That's the objective. Then there would be less competition for the government-run schools and hospitals.

12 posted on 02/06/2012 3:04:21 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: Pyro7480

“Solutions” “at the price of apostasy”

Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.

The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.


13 posted on 02/06/2012 3:04:25 PM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Pyro7480; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
CNS does not need to be excerpted. Here is the rest of the article.


On Jan. 20, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius finalized a regulation, under the new health-care law, that requires all health-care plans in the United States to cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions. The regulation has an exceedingly narrow exemption for “religious” employers that would effectively cover only an actual parish church—but not a Catholic hospital, university, or charitable organization. Catholic individuals, Catholic business owners and Catholic insurers would be compelled by the mandate to act against the teachings of their church.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops told HHS in September that the regulation was an “unprecedented attack on religious liberty” and has urged the administration to rescind it in its entirety. Carney has said that President Barack Obama supports the regulation.

At Catholic Masses over the past two Sundays, Catholic priests across America have read letters from their local bishops decrying the mandate as a direct attack on the First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion and call on Catholics to resist it.

For example, in Catholic churches in Virginia on Sunday, priests read a letter from Arlington Bishop Paul S. Loverde and Richmond Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo that said: “In so ruling, the administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our nation’s first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty. And as a result, unless the rule is overturned, we Catholics will be compelled either to violate our consciences, or to drop health coverage for our employees (and suffer the penalties for doing so). The administration’s sole concession was to give our institutions one year to comply.”

“We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law,” the bishops said.

White House Press Secretary Carney said Monday that the administration has worked to “find the appropriate balance” between upholding the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion and requiring that all American women be given health insurance that covers sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients without fees or co-pay.

“We have worked to find the appropriate balance between religious beliefs and the need to provide preventive services to American women and to make sure that American women have access to those services regardless of where they work,” Carney said. “And we have carved out an exemption for churches and other houses of worship and we will work going forward with institutions where the employer is affiliated with a church for example but where many, many of the employees are of all faiths to find a way to ensure that the policy is implemented and all women have access to these services that also deals with the concerns that have been expressed.”


The problem, of course, is that many of these bishops supported Obama in the last election, precisely for his proposed policy on healthcare for all. These are not ignorant or naive men. When they aligned themselves with the administration to receive Federal funds for their institutions, they crossed a line in the sand. With those funds, one also accepts government dictates. The Federal Government is now cashing in. What will it be? You can't have it both ways.

14 posted on 02/06/2012 3:05:03 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: pallis

“The Catholic church should start shutting down its hospitals and schools.”

The Catholics should wait until the tanks and armored personnel carriers show up. Let 0bama burn the hospitals and schools down. Janet Reno can come out of retirement and take charge of the operation.


15 posted on 02/06/2012 3:07:34 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: pallis

I think that is part of the plan.


16 posted on 02/06/2012 3:08:04 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Pyro7480

Doubling down.

It is scary stuff to see that they even think that they have a chance of getting away with this. Is the WH really this politically inept, or do they have something we don’t know about.


17 posted on 02/06/2012 3:08:20 PM PST by kidd
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To: Pyro7480
< Obummercare was too late to help Obummer`s mother, who "deserved" to have her employer buy her health insurance plans that covered sterlizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions, with no fees or co-pay, even if it included aborting her Obummer baby.

Carney should have said, `` But I think it's important to note here that we believe these services are important and that American women, including my mother and Obummer`s mother, and Holder`s mother, Pelosi`s mother and Reid`s mother, deserved to have access to that kind of insurance coverage regardless of where they work so that they could have aborted us." So Carney and all Demorats are exempt from their own argument?

This is a fallacious argument, patently false, because if they applied it to their own cases it will not stand up.

According to Carney, therefore, Michelle should have been encouraged by Obummer to have had the opportunity to abort both her daughters because it is for all women, according to Carney and Obummer....

18 posted on 02/06/2012 3:08:54 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Abort! Abort! Bail out!)
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To: kjo

Yesterday my priest got up and gave his sermon...a sermon like I’ve never heard before. He told us that we were not going to take this...Catholics have first amendment rights too.

&&
Still waiting for my priest to speak up on this. Maybe this Sunday....


19 posted on 02/06/2012 3:09:34 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Pyro7480

The bishops need to do more, The Pope needs to “speak out” and directly to this situation. The bishops need to rally all U.S. Catholics, and all other Christians, Jews and Muslims, that this is an intrusion into freedom of religion. What happens when Sebelius & Obama take on end of life mandates? And don’t think it won’t happen, they need to have savings to make it look like Obamacare can work. This time it is “first they came after the Catholics”.


20 posted on 02/06/2012 3:13:57 PM PST by kushnejz
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To: Pyro7480

Scary to contemplate where this will end.

Prayers for the intercession of St. Michael.


21 posted on 02/06/2012 3:14:12 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red

We’re waiting as well......


22 posted on 02/06/2012 3:29:07 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Pyro7480

Maybe this says something about me, but I am amazed by this. Most of these priests avoid the subject of birth control at all costs.


23 posted on 02/06/2012 3:35:50 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Pyro7480

And the babies deserve to be murdered in their mother’s womb with a pill administered by a Catholic, too. They can even stick it in the communion wafer, and that way it’ll be transmuted into abortofacting Jesus flesh. How much fun is that?/sarc


24 posted on 02/06/2012 3:38:06 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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25 posted on 02/06/2012 3:39:14 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Pyro7480

This beyond stupid, this is truly evil...sounds more like Emperor Caligula’s government.

“Wondering where the lions are?”


26 posted on 02/06/2012 3:51:07 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4)
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To: forgotten man

They will not burn the hospitals down, they will just send their brownshirts in to take them over....this part of their objective.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 4:01:50 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4)
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To: Pyro7480

Mark Steyn was filling in for Rush this morning, and he said that the Muslims are also up in arms about this... now Obama will gleefully go after the Catholics, but what do you want to bet that he will fold in no time flat when he finds out the Muslims are also against it?


28 posted on 02/06/2012 4:04:15 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Responsibility2nd
WHEN are they going to make a stand?

Note, it is NOT just Catholics. Anyone who objects to paying for abortifacients and sterilization is affected.

If you are pro-life, you are affected.

The question is "when are WE going to make a stand"!

29 posted on 02/06/2012 4:10:04 PM PST by newberger (Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation.)
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To: Pyro7480

This isn’t just a Catholic issue. All Christians (all citizens) should stand up and say, no!


30 posted on 02/06/2012 4:20:36 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think they are, at least beginning.


31 posted on 02/06/2012 4:25:26 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Our priest yesterday said not only no but absolutely not. He said Catholics are not going to get pushed around and that the administration had miscalculated because instead of dividing the Catholics, the issue had united them. He said Catholics will not offer such insurance and will pay the fines instead.


32 posted on 02/06/2012 4:27:38 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kushnejz

Does the Matthew 18:15 process of dealing with sin take place in Catholic churches?


33 posted on 02/06/2012 4:29:30 PM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: Pyro7480

Reaping what they’ve sown.
As a senator, Obama approved of the killing of abortion survivors. Yet Catholics cheerfully voted for him.
Where were the bishops then?
Democrat politicians can endorse murders — over 50 million of them so far — and the only scandal is when those Democrats are denied communion.
It should have been proclaimed, in the first place, that no one who advocated for a “right to abortion” should be spared excommunication.
But our clergy have been silent when it comes to “politics.” Silence is not only golden. Silence is silver.
The Church has sold out and betrayed Christ long since; and I expect it will continue to do so.

FTR: Yes, I’m Catholic.


34 posted on 02/06/2012 5:05:49 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: forgotten man

I heard on radio today that the fine for failing to comply is 10M dollars.

Tanks or dollars?

Catholics wouldn’t be in this spot had they not voted for the One..now would they? Voted for a man who had no issue with abortions and even better, those late term, partial birth abortions.


35 posted on 02/06/2012 5:10:37 PM PST by Engedi (A)
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To: Pyro7480
GO TO HELL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

Go STRAIGHT to Hell. Do NOT pass purgatory. Do NOT collect ANYTHING.

Satan might just invite you to sit down for a cup of tea.

36 posted on 02/06/2012 5:22:10 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Pyro7480

The far left says the only reason we object to this administration’s policies is racism - because Obama is black. I wonder how many former Klan members and current Klan sympathizers are laughing as they vote Dem and support Obama, considering that more than a third of black babies are aborted (twice the proportion as are killed among white babies), and the Democrats are trying to make it even easier to abort these innocent children. Which side is really racist?


37 posted on 02/06/2012 5:28:42 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: kidd
do they have something we don’t know about.

It would not be surprising.

38 posted on 02/06/2012 5:34:14 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Leep

The churches shouldn’t fight Obama regarding the demand by Obama’s healthcare requirement, all citizens should be demanding his resignation as he swore an oath to uphold the constitution and freedom of religion and he clearly has broken his oath.


39 posted on 02/06/2012 5:35:26 PM PST by maranatha (Texas really is unlike any other place)
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To: pallis
What should happen is that the Church increases its number of hospitals and schools to cover the shutting down of Government hospitals and schools.
40 posted on 02/06/2012 6:17:24 PM PST by condi2008
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To: yldstrk

uh..no they shouldn’t have to pay the fine either.

The fine is a violation of the First Amendment too.


41 posted on 02/06/2012 7:26:59 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Pyro7480

What is an abortifacient?


42 posted on 02/06/2012 7:33:21 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Future Meteorologist.)
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43 posted on 02/06/2012 7:38:43 PM PST by narses
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To: Pyro7480
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

1st Amendment US Constitution
44 posted on 02/06/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Lady Lucky
As a senator, Obama approved of the killing of abortion survivors. Yet Catholics cheerfully voted for him.
Where were the bishops then?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My daughter taught math in a Texas K-8 Catholic school. All of the teachers and the principal voted for Obama, a man who voted three times to deny medical care to infants born alive after an abortion. My daughter was the only teacher whose students did not watch Obama’s inauguration but had regular math class instead.

I am a graduate of Villanova University ( 1974). For decades now, too many in Catholic leadership and education have worshiped Social Justice ( Liberation Theology) rather than God. Too many Catholic educators in the K-12 system are government school and public university graduates or have attended liberal Catholic colleges ( like Villanova).

There is a solution:

A freeper posted to me that there is a movement among conservative Catholics. They are forming independent one-room schools. Several families are getting together, hiring a teacher, and educating their own children in an environment that teaches a true Catholic worldview.

Sounds like a good idea for Catholics. It would be a good idea for all Christians. In just 10 to 12 years we could begin to see major changes in the culture.

45 posted on 02/06/2012 7:42:42 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion centers.)
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To: Pollster1
The choice is clear.
46 posted on 02/06/2012 7:46:28 PM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: WPaCon

Are they purposely trying to enrage Catholics and pro life folks to the point that Obama decides it’s time to call in the troops and round us up...and grab our property while they are at this?

This is a major chess move he just made.


47 posted on 02/06/2012 7:50:00 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: wintertime
A freeper posted to me that there is a movement among conservative Catholics. They are forming independent one-room schools. Several families are getting together, hiring a teacher, and educating their own children in an environment that teaches a true Catholic worldview. Sounds like a good idea for Catholics. It would be a good idea for all Christians. In just 10 to 12 years we could begin to see major changes in the culture.

There is an independent Catholic school like this over an hour from our house. But since this is impractical, we are homeschooling instead. We get together with our traditional Catholic homeschooling group for some classes and activities. Our oldest went to Catholic school, but we are going the homeschooling route for the remaining four. The people I have met so far in this homeschooling group are the real deal and follow the actual teachings of the Church. Selling Fair Trade Coffee after Mass is not their definition of being a Good Catholic.

48 posted on 02/06/2012 7:52:32 PM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: kidd
If you think about it, it's a short next step for the drugs/procedures being forcefully made “freely available” by our government, to becoming “mandatory” by the same government.

I applaud the Catholic backlash. They should enjoy wide support from all citizens,religious or not, but we might be to far gone.

Can anyone name a single OPTIONAL prescription drug that is “free” to the patient?

49 posted on 02/06/2012 8:12:43 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Pyro7480

But my sister said yesterday afternoon after attending Mass that she will be voting for Obama again because he hasn’t been given a fair chance (by evil Republicans)to make the changes this country needs.


50 posted on 02/06/2012 10:26:41 PM PST by tinamina
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