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Catholic League Poised To Go To War With Obama Over Mandatory Birth Control Payments
CBS News ^ | February 6, 2012 11:00 PM

Posted on 02/07/2012 4:09:58 AM PST by 1010RD

Catholic leaders upped the ante Monday, threatening to challenge the Obama administration over a provision of the new health care law that would require all employers, including religious institutions, to pay for birth control.

As CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer reports, it could affect the presidential elections.

Catholic leaders are furious and determined to harness the voting power of the nation’s 70 million Catholic voters to stop a provision of President Barack Obama’s new heath car reform bill that will force Catholic schools, hospitals and charities to buy birth control pills, abortion-producing drugs and sterilization coverage for their employees.

“Never before, unprecedented in American history, for the federal government to line up against the Roman Catholic Church,” said Catholic League head Bill Donohue.

Already Archbishop Timothy Dolan has spoken out against the law and priests around the country have mobilized, reading letters from the pulpit. Donohue said Catholic officials will stop at nothing to put a stop to it.

“This is going to be fought out with lawsuits, with court decisions, and, dare I say it, maybe even in the streets,” Donohue said.

But pro-choice groups said they will fight the church and fight for the right of employees of Catholic institutions to have birth control and other services paid for.

“The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” National Abortion Rights Action League President Andrea Miller said.

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“Never before, unprecedented in American history, for the federal government to line up against the Roman Catholic Church,” said Catholic League head Bill Donohue.

He probably isn't that familiar with American history and doesn't know how we got government schooling.

Still, if Catholics would follow their religion and its conscience you'd not see another Democrat elected this century.

1 posted on 02/07/2012 4:10:05 AM PST by 1010RD
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To: 1010RD
But pro-choice groups said they will fight the church and fight for the right of employees of Catholic institutions to have birth control and other services paid for.

This Protestant will be standing in full support of the Catholic church on this one.

2 posted on 02/07/2012 4:16:08 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: 1010RD

Catholics and other religious leaders must realize that this President can not be trusted and even if he changes course he will continue his war on religion once elected.


3 posted on 02/07/2012 4:19:13 AM PST by paguch
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To: 1010RD

The Catholic Church hasn’t been “informing consciences” for decades. The obvious results are divorce rates, Mass attendance, lower birth rates, etc.

They’ve so minimized the concept of Hell it will be difficult to resurrect true Catholicism for this fight.


4 posted on 02/07/2012 4:19:34 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: 1010RD

“But pro-choice groups said they will fight the church and fight for the right of employees of Catholic institutions to have birth control and other services paid for.”

I don’t get it. Is it no longer possible to buy condoms and other forms of birth control? Oh! This is about making OTHER people pay for one’s condoms, including people who have religious objections to birth control itself. Now I get it.

As far as that goes, I don’t know why religious objections are the main point of contention. The REAL problem is people who think they have a right to force everyone else to pay for whatever they want and use the federal government as a tool to browbeat their fellow citizens. Religious objections, although important, are not the larger issue which is tyranny!


5 posted on 02/07/2012 4:20:44 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Anyone can do it. Good is more work but worth it!)
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To: 1010RD
Didn't you just want to puke when Zero said, at the National Prayer breakfast, ‘as a Christian’? He is seriously veering into Communism here. But he cannot destroy this country without destroying it's various Religions. Can we still save this once great country even if we do win this November?
6 posted on 02/07/2012 4:21:35 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Cracker Jack

Me too.....I just hope the catholics don’t wimp out in the end. I never expected they would support obama the first time around so you will excuse me if I am skeptical catholics will come thru this election.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by Josa
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To: Cracker Jack

Me too.....I just hope the catholics don’t wimp out in the end. I never expected they would support obama the first time around so you will excuse me if I am skeptical catholics will come thru this election.


8 posted on 02/07/2012 4:22:52 AM PST by Josa
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9 posted on 02/07/2012 4:23:13 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: 1010RD
What moron goes to work for the RCC and expects birth control and abortion coverage anyway?

It's like joining a union and expecting that you have to do a good job...

...I mean...duh!

10 posted on 02/07/2012 4:23:42 AM PST by Happy Rain ("If you're shiftless and in doubt-find a liberal whine and pout-pretty soon you're making out.")
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To: Cracker Jack

All Christians should. Yesterday I heard a radio report that Imams in Texas had at last Friday’s call to prayer called for civil disobedience over forced indoctrination of homosexuality in schools. When was the last time your pastor or priest demanded you stand up for your religion?

Americans have a fundamental right to conscience. It’s why we’re Americans and big government is an enemy to that and always has been.

Until Catholics and other Christians recognize that you cannot solve the problems of poverty and justice using the tools of Mammon we’ll continue our downward spiral.


11 posted on 02/07/2012 4:24:09 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Josa
I agree.

Most Catholics lean to the left. The Church teaches health care as a “right”, so in the view of many in the pews Obamacare is a good thing.

While I support the Catholic church in their protest of the mandate, I do have to ask what did they expect? The State views them as a competitor, and as the biggest target.

12 posted on 02/07/2012 4:28:44 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 1010RD

There is wheat and chaffe in every religion. Recall that Revelations opens with a list of infractions committed by the churches and an asking for them to turn away from their failings.

The Catholic Church seems to be turning ...the question will be what will be left of the pseudo-faithful in the end?


13 posted on 02/07/2012 4:30:11 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: 1010RD
This is yet ANOTHER Class Warfare issue, to try to fire up the Baby-Killing Base.

Look forward to the ugly women and "chic" women to start marching in the streets for "Women's Right to Choose", "It's MY body", etc. signage.

(As opposed to the right to choose to act responsibly and morally).

You KNOW it's gonna be 24/7 on the State-Run-Media, with "reproductive Rights" being the buzzword, and AVOIDING the term "Abortion funded by others".

14 posted on 02/07/2012 4:30:44 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: 1010RD
Glad to at least see CBS finally gets around to this major story.

But I understand, protecting Planned Parenthood funding was much more important.

ABC & NBC have yet to report on the Obamah mandate and the Catholic clergy uproar.

15 posted on 02/07/2012 4:34:55 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: 1010RD

“The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” National Abortion Rights Action League President Andrea Miller said.”

Health and well being??

It’s a ‘sickness’ without a ‘disease’..

Children aren’t ‘viruses’ that need to be ‘cured’ or elminated.


16 posted on 02/07/2012 4:35:52 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: 1010RD

“The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” National Abortion Rights Action League President Andrea Miller said.”

Health and well being??

It’s a ‘sickness’ without a ‘disease’..

Children aren’t ‘viruses’ that need to be ‘cured’ or eliminated.


17 posted on 02/07/2012 4:36:06 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

Ooops.

Darn slow Internet.


18 posted on 02/07/2012 4:36:58 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: traditional1

They’re correct. It is their body, but the baby isn’t their body and there can be no private murders.


19 posted on 02/07/2012 4:38:07 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: EBH

True. Those 70 million Catholics keep big city Democrats in power. If they would turn back to their religion and follow its precepts America would be a much better place.

The fact is: Christians are wimps. We’re so compromised that we give up before even trying and Mammon wins every time. America is suffering from Mammonism and the cure is more, not less Christian faith in action.


20 posted on 02/07/2012 4:41:14 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Thanks 1010RD.


21 posted on 02/07/2012 4:41:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Bigh4u2

A woman called into Rush’s show yesterday and said something along the same lines. Abortifacients and birth control aren’t preventing or curing any disease.

In fact, there are long term health effects for women who use birth control, and there are myriad women who’ve had abortions who can contest that they ruined their ability to have children again.


22 posted on 02/07/2012 4:42:21 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 1010RD
"They’re correct. It is their body"

Technically correct, but allowing it to be USED by other-than-spouse, AND, then "deciding" to terminate a life is NOT a "Woman's Right" in any MORAL way.

23 posted on 02/07/2012 4:44:24 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: 1010RD
Warning: The liberals are excellent tacticians. They will re-direct the issue.

Just as in the Terri Schiavo case, they re-directed it from the husband's culpability to the issue of "right-to-die."

It wasn't about "right-to-die." It never was. But the re-direction worked. Conservatives were made to look like extremists.

The same will happen here.

Liberals will re-direct the issue from the Church being forced to support abortions to the issue of birth control.

I am a practicing Catholic. But I have always thought the Church's stand on birth control is extreme and stupid. I think most Americans believe this too.

Birth control is not the issue. Abortion is the issue. And forcing Catholics to act against their beliefs is the issue.

Do not let liberals get away with this re-direction again. It it too important.

24 posted on 02/07/2012 4:44:39 AM PST by eCSMaster (Excommunicate evildoers)
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To: CitizenUSA
the larger issue which is tyranny

This is worth repeating. We've been in a state of soft tyranny for a long time. WE complain about this or that infraction of our Rights and nothing happens, nothing has been fought for, or our concerns have been passed out of hand by the courts for the 'greater good.'

Now the 'hardness of tyranny' begins. Even if the Catholic Church "wins" this mandate ruling as un-Constitutional we have already witnessed court rulings mean little to this government. So the Church wins and what of the faithful forced by their private / public sector employers whose insurance policies will extract the money from them as part of the group coverage? Is this not against the teachings and morals of Catholics/Christians as well? Are not Rights afforded to the individual in these matters?

As Catholics and Christians if one were to consider all the things the 'public' forces onto us and like sheep to slaughter we've handed over our Rights in the name of political correctness.

25 posted on 02/07/2012 4:50:52 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: rarestia

Re:birth control

I’ve seen it happen more than once where someone I know was on birth control and had a very hard time trying to conceive once they where ready to have kids.

My youngest daughter had a couple of miscarriages that were attributed to birth control pills.

She finally did manage to have 3 beautiful grandchildren (for us) but each time she had to have her blood monitored and ‘thinned’.

She and her husband are now done (he got snipped) so 3 is enough.. :0)


26 posted on 02/07/2012 4:51:00 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: 1010RD

Let’s remember this assault on our religious freedom didn’t come in the form of a law. It is a diktat from our elected tyrant.

The rats have controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency several times since Roe v. Wade. Not once did they bring a bill to the floor to turn Roe into statute.

Nor would our elected reps today consider passing a law to criminalize a Churches refusal to provide abortion services.

As long as unelected bureaucrats are illegally empowered to make law, as long as the law depends on the whim of one man, we are not a republic, and will continue our slide into despotism. FUBO.


27 posted on 02/07/2012 5:01:37 AM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: 1010RD

You wrote:

“Still, if Catholics would follow their religion and its conscience you’d not see another Democrat elected this century.”

Get real. There are 65 million Catholics in this country. There are 240 million non-Catholics and many of them vote for Democrats.


28 posted on 02/07/2012 5:06:01 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Bigh4u2

I’m not yet married but have the lady in mind. She’s over 35 and a smoker, so birth control has been out of the picture for a while. I’m praying for enough time to make her an honest woman and have at least 2 kids knowing that 40 is one of those lines in the sand.

An old girlfriend of mine went on BC in her early 20s. She was on a host of other meds for some dermatological issues. Once she started on the BC, her body went ballistic. Last time I saw her she was over 300 lb. and was covered in benign subcutaneous cysts. Hormones are a nasty thing to play with!


29 posted on 02/07/2012 5:10:20 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Josa
I just hope the catholics don’t wimp out in the end.

Amen to that.....

30 posted on 02/07/2012 5:11:23 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: paguch

It isn’t just this President who can’t be trusted. It’s the entire Federal Government, Congress and the Courts included.


31 posted on 02/07/2012 5:13:21 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: EBH

The CINO’s will be rooted out and run out of the Church.


32 posted on 02/07/2012 5:16:44 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: 1010RD
“The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” National Abortion Rights Action League President Andrea Miller said.

Yes, clearly women's lives and well being are at stake here, not those helpless beings in their wombs.

I wonder if this moron sees the irony in her statement, or if she's become so self-deluded that the lives of the unborn are no longer part of her reality.
33 posted on 02/07/2012 5:17:25 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: 1010RD

This is how we beat him in November!


34 posted on 02/07/2012 5:31:32 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Cracker Jack; Josa
I just hope the catholics don’t wimp out in the end.

I would not be surprised to see Obama back down on this one point later this year, just in time so that all the liberal Catholic organizations and bishops can publicly proclaim that it's safe to vote Democrat again.

35 posted on 02/07/2012 5:32:03 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: 1010RD
Some Catholics think they can be "cafeteria Catholics", picking and choosing what they accept from doctrine. Well, you cannot be a cafeteria Democrat, you WILL get the whole menu shoved down your throat.

The Catholic hierarchy should have realized before now that the Democrat Party is a package deal. You want "social justice" and "free healthcare"? You have to accept abortion too.

36 posted on 02/07/2012 5:33:38 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: Josa

Great point! I wonder how university of Notre Dame feels now?


37 posted on 02/07/2012 5:35:16 AM PST by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: 1010RD

fought out in courts, just like govt wants


38 posted on 02/07/2012 5:37:00 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: paguch

You are correct.


39 posted on 02/07/2012 5:57:02 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: 1010RD

And what is your church doing to fight against this?


40 posted on 02/07/2012 5:59:58 AM PST by verga (Protestant puppies have their eyes closed, Catholic ones have their eyes open.)
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Fire everyone but the priests. All non-clerical duties will need to be performed by volunteers.


41 posted on 02/07/2012 6:03:13 AM PST by vollmond (I'm an issues voter. If you're a Democrat, I've got issues.)
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To: Cracker Jack
This Protestant will be standing in full support of the Catholic church on this one.

Thank you, and make no mistake if the Christians don't stand together on this issue, then your religious freedom will be next.

42 posted on 02/07/2012 6:03:30 AM PST by verga (Protestant puppies have their eyes closed, Catholic ones have their eyes open.)
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To: CitizenUSA
This business of the tyrant forcing his opponents to dip their spears in the gore is quite ancient.

There's only one way to make it stop.

43 posted on 02/07/2012 6:08:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: eCSMaster
Warning: The liberals are excellent tacticians. They will re-direct the issue.
Just as in the Terri Schiavo case, they re-directed it from the husband's culpability to the issue of "right-to-die."
It wasn't about "right-to-die." It never was. But the re-direction worked. Conservatives were made to look like extremists.

Hmm. Good points. Here is one possible senario

The obamanistas KNOW this is a "no-win" stance. (True)
They know it will inflame Catholics and other Christians (True)
So, let it boil and fester for a few months, getting everyone frustrated and mad. (True)
At the last (useful) moments, and after the help of the MSM making it look and sound like "the radical Catholics are threatening "blood in the streets" and "a nation of terror", our benevolent protectors will "revisit" the policy (cancel) until after the election. (True)
Obamanistas look like "leaders" and are wisely "looking after our best interests" and are re-elected by the Catholics who threatened to vote them out. Policy is re-instated.

Obamanistas win.

44 posted on 02/07/2012 6:08:41 AM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are next to the potatoes!)
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To: 1010RD

Kulturkampf


45 posted on 02/07/2012 6:09:48 AM PST by Oratam
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To: 1010RD

WHY IS CBS USING SUCH VIOLENT RHETORIC? IS SARAH PALIN WRITING THEIR HEADLINES? (off sarcasm)


46 posted on 02/07/2012 6:40:58 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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47 posted on 02/07/2012 6:45:31 AM PST by narses
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To: eCSMaster

...you make a good point.... But there is a big First Amendment issue, too.


48 posted on 02/07/2012 6:47:01 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: 1010RD

Catholics are nuts to fight this.

Best thing to do is go to cost-sharing like the Amish and Mennonite and others.(Medishare, Samaritan etc)

It would be self funded, qualify for exception and could take up to one fifth of the population out of government clutches.

It would be the end run of all end runs. And it would provide better options for their people. It would also be a model for every one else who is dying to get away from the encroaching totalitarian fascist commie.

There are more ways to skin this cat.


49 posted on 02/07/2012 6:59:20 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: 1010RD

The Administration will get out in front of this in a hurry and provide a Religeous Waiver/Exemption. Look for the fix with a Presidential announcement in the next couple of days.


50 posted on 02/07/2012 7:15:39 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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