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Britain had to plead with US to take part in Iran flotilla
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 06 Feb 2012 | James Kirkup

Posted on 02/07/2012 7:31:58 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Britain had to plead with US to take part in Iran flotilla

Britain was forced to plead with the US to take part in the flotilla challenging Iranian power in the Gulf after American commanders decided the Royal Navy had nothing to contribute to the mission.

Defence sources have revealed that the Americans only relented and allowed a Royal Navy frigate to join the mission following an intervention from Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president.

The revelation that US defence chiefs saw little military value in UK participation will raise new questions about Britain’s international clout after Coalition defence cuts.

Amid rising tensions in the region, the Royal Navy last month deployed HMS Argyll, a Type 23 frigate, to the Gulf.

The ship accompanied a US carrier strike group made up of an aircraft carrier with a full complement of fighters, a heavy cruiser and several destroyers.

A French frigate, the La Motte-Picquet, was also part of the flotilla which sailed through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran has staged wargames in the area and threatened to block the straits, a vital supply route for oil exports.

The US also has another carrier strike group in the Gulf and a third heading for the region.

The disparity in vessel numbers means the British and French presence in the flotilla was of greater diplomatic than military significance.

The question of allied participation in the naval operation is understood to have triggered concern in Whitehall and led to a sudden shift in Britain’s stance.

British ministers initially signalled they would accept the Washington’s conclusion that did not need allies to take part.

But the British position changed after Mr Sazkozy insisted to the US that a French warship

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: greatbritain; iran; royalnavy; usn

HMS Argyll

1 posted on 02/07/2012 7:32:06 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Dear UK,

Please hold on a while longer.

Hopefully, we’ll flush the t*rd this Nov, and next year you can hopefully arrest him after we send the sorry sack of feces back to Kenya.

I cannot think of a human being (?) for which I have less regard than our Cretin-in-Chief.


2 posted on 02/07/2012 7:34:30 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Our current president has serious issues with England. It has to do with England’s treatment of Kenya. Now, Obama is in a position to “pay them back”.


3 posted on 02/07/2012 7:34:50 AM PST by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: brownsfan

This is exactly why the NBC clause is in the constitution.


4 posted on 02/07/2012 7:38:02 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Nachum

For your list.


5 posted on 02/07/2012 7:47:24 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: wolfman23601

Yep!!!


6 posted on 02/07/2012 7:48:27 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (No Jesus, No Peace! Know Jesus, Know Peace!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is the Argyll that little yellow and black job?


7 posted on 02/07/2012 7:50:05 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks Army Air Corps

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8 posted on 02/07/2012 7:53:29 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US and the UK - the race to the bottom.


9 posted on 02/07/2012 7:57:04 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy
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To: sukhoi-30mki; mickie; flaglady47
Obama loves to insult our loyal allies, primarily Britain.

He's undoubtedly busy right now compiling a new tape of his greatest speech excerpts to present as a gift to Her Majesty on the occasion of her Diamond Jubilee celebration.

Cheaper than commissioning a bust of General George Washington to present to her, I suppose.

Leni

10 posted on 02/07/2012 8:01:05 AM PST by MinuteGal
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11 posted on 02/07/2012 8:08:05 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is a prime example of our fearless leader’s leadership style -

LEADING FROM BEHIND

It was praised by both lefties and righties (cough*Frum*cough) alike, admired so much around the world even now.


12 posted on 02/07/2012 8:08:40 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hate to say it, but that boat reminds me of the USS Caine.


13 posted on 02/07/2012 8:19:22 AM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I have to think that this decision to initially exclude the British frigate was undertaken at the level of the 5th US Fleet (Bahrain) or possibly by the Commander, Battle Group. The reasons may have been as simple as that of timing — IOW’s “How long do we have to delay while waiting for the HMS Argyl to form up?”

I love criticizing Obama as much as the next guy, but this probably isn’t related to Obama’s loathing of all things Britsh.


14 posted on 02/07/2012 8:33:52 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: ichabod1

Why? Because they are both gray? No similarity.


15 posted on 02/07/2012 8:37:39 AM PST by xone
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To: Tallguy
I have to think that this decision to initially exclude the British frigate was undertaken at the level of the 5th US Fleet (Bahrain) or possibly by the Commander, Battle Group. The reasons may have been as simple as that of timing — IOW’s “How long do we have to delay while waiting for the HMS Argyl to form up?”

I agree. Also, the Navy may have decided that one more frigate was not worth sacrificing unity-of-command.

16 posted on 02/07/2012 8:52:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What is really ridiculous about this, is that it is well past time that the European powers reassumed responsibility for patrolling their own back yard. The idea that American lives & the fruits of American Labor should be endlessly at risk on behalf of people who can jolly well take responsibility for protecting their own interests, is not rational.

The implied corollary to the Monroe Doctrine--under which we protect this Hemisphere from European adventures, is that Europe protects its backyard from local threats.

Does anyone really believe that Iran poses a comparable threat to all Western interests--equivalent to Soviet Communism? We were protecting ourselves in European spheres, when we propped them up in the Cold War. But we do neither ourselves nor them, a favor, when we do not demand that they retake responsibility for their national interests--and there is no way that this is not more in their interests than in ours.

My other concern in this, is this. Some of our Republican candidates have delivered some pretty hysterical remarks over Iran (Pseudo Pragmatism). I really believe that Obama is maneuvering a "summer surprise," to save the election. How can Republicans, who have taken the plunge to the overreach that dealing with an Iranian threat is somehow primarily our duty, properly respond to an Obama attack on Iran this summer?

Again, we should demand that Europe reassume its traditional roles in maintaining Eastern Hemisphere stability, before it sounds like a desperate election ploy!

William Flax

17 posted on 02/07/2012 9:01:44 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

Britain and France take the responsibilty, and both, esp the UK, has always punched above its weight.

It is perhaps the other major European nations that dont pull their weight.


18 posted on 02/07/2012 9:26:03 AM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman
Thank you for your reply. Actually, I have always been a great admirer of the Royal Navy; and as a friend, feel that European Nations need to regain their pride in their heritages, accomplishments, cultures, etc.. That feeling, frankly, is a very definite added reason for wanting to see us greatly reduce our presence in their back yard.

It is the same idea, as that involved in wanting to restore a sense of personal & local responsibility in all parts of all States in the American Union--not just in my own Ohio. People benefit by not having others do for them what they have the natural ability to do for themselves.

Are you from Scotland? If so, what part?

Bill Flax

19 posted on 02/07/2012 9:37:21 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

Ayrshire. Which is on the west coast, s/w of Glasgow.

‘Rabbie Burns’ country. William Wallace (Ellerslie) and Robert the Bruce (Turnberry Castle) were also born in Ayrshire.

Main towns in Ayrshire are:
Ayr (birthplace of John McAdam, the inventor of tarmac)
Alloway (Robert Burns)
Kilmarnock (birthplace of Johnnie Walker whisky)
Irvine (inventor of the pneumatic tyre and the Dunlop company, John Boyd Dunlop, was born within the town’s boundary, in a village called Dreghorn)
Saltcoats
Largs (birthplace of Sir Thomas Brisbane)
Kilwinning
Troon (hosts Open Golf every few years)
Girvan

Ayrshire inventions: tarmac, rubber tyre, pencillin, gas lighting.

Ayrshire map:
http://www.mcintyre.demon.co.uk/images/ayrmap.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrshire


20 posted on 02/07/2012 11:05:47 AM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman
Ayrshire inventions: tarmac, rubber tyre, pencillin, gas lighting

Not to mention the breed of dairy cattle named after the region

21 posted on 02/07/2012 11:16:05 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: xone

Small. Not very dangerous looking. It’s probably a guided missile frigate with enough power to blow up a small to medium size town, which shows what I know. Never mind. :)

Signed,

I. Am. A. Keyboard. Commando.


22 posted on 02/07/2012 11:53:06 AM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: MinuteGal

He could give her a statue of her great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Your Lawful King and Sovereign, George III in a compromised position...


23 posted on 02/07/2012 12:08:17 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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24 posted on 02/07/2012 1:27:56 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Ohioan
Not every threat is Soviet in scale. But that doesn't meant that a country whose motto seems to be "Death to America" should be allowed to have nukes.
Your arguement is a flawed tautology.
25 posted on 02/09/2012 12:37:58 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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