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Sea ice loss said driving European chill
UPI.com ^ | February 6, 2012

Posted on 02/07/2012 10:42:22 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

LONDON -- Meteorologists say ice-free seas in the arctic caused by global warming could explain a chill wind covering much of Europe that has killed more than 300 people.

Experts said they believe complex wind patterns are being affected as melting arctic sea ice has exposes huge areas of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above, bringing bitterly cold weather to Britain and the rest of Europe.

The loss of arctic sea ice could be influencing high-pressure weather systems over northern Russia that bring very cold winds from the arctic and Siberia to Western Europe and the British Isles, scientists said.

"The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming," Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany said.

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KEYWORDS: climategate; failure; hoax; manbearpig; socialism


1 posted on 02/07/2012 10:42:26 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Herr Goebbles would be proud, very proud indeed.

IMHO


2 posted on 02/07/2012 10:44:15 AM PST by ripley
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

See, it’s like this. It’s getting colder because of global warming, which is melting the North Pole. Look, it’s complicated. You’ve got to be a Scientist to understand it.


3 posted on 02/07/2012 10:45:34 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Too much snow = global warming. Too warm = global warming. Too cold = global warming. Just right = global warming.


4 posted on 02/07/2012 10:45:43 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: ripley

I knew global warming was causing the cold weather. I hope we get about a foot of global warming next week.


5 posted on 02/07/2012 10:46:09 AM PST by W1somoveon
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To: ripley

Indeed - there it is:

Global warming causes global cooling.

Do as we say and no one gets hurt.

War is peace.

Salvery is freedom.

Ignorance is strength.


6 posted on 02/07/2012 10:47:53 AM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It looks like the beginning of the next ice age that we have been putting off.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 10:48:05 AM PST by coffeecup
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Why is it so frickin' cold??"
"Well, there's hardly any ice, you see. Of course it's very cold -- what would you expect?"
8 posted on 02/07/2012 10:50:15 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes. It’s colder because it’s warmer. That’s what I figured.


9 posted on 02/07/2012 10:55:01 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eccl 10:2

And Arbeit macht frei.


10 posted on 02/07/2012 10:56:21 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
... global warming could explain ....

... they believe ....

... arctic sea ice could be influencing ...

Oh, yeah, there's a whole lot of scientific definition in those statements ... [/sarc]

11 posted on 02/07/2012 10:56:56 AM PST by BlueLancer (KOMEN PINK: Like Pilate washing his hands, it's the color of the water after rinsing bloody hands)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Mor hog wash about how globull warming is causing cold weather. The arctic seas are free of ice every summer yet it doesn’t cause cold weather.


12 posted on 02/07/2012 10:58:03 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Al Gore is full of s—t, you say?”

“You’re getting warmer!”


13 posted on 02/07/2012 10:58:13 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: W1somoveon

You do realize this is about a computer model that says the sea ice has melted. None of these guys have gone up there to check on the sea ice extant ~ which you can see right here http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_extent_hires.png Notice that the sea ice WEST of Alaska exceeds their baseline (orange line) and it’s MUY COLDO up there ~ the exact opposite of Europe where the sea ice NORTH of Europe is less than their baseline (orange line) and it’s MUY COLDO there too, the exact opposite of Alaska. WELL JUST DARN!


14 posted on 02/07/2012 10:59:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Meteorologists say ice-free seas in the arctic caused by global warming could explain a chill wind covering much of Europe that has killed more than 300 people.

Experts said they believe complex wind patterns are being affected as melting arctic sea ice has exposes huge areas of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above, bringing bitterly cold weather to Britain and the rest of Europe.


From what I've seen, Arctic sea ice in fall 2011 is much greater in extent than in 2007.
15 posted on 02/07/2012 11:02:30 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I swear I just read a story about how the extent of sea ice in the Bering Sea was impacting this years Opi harvest.


16 posted on 02/07/2012 11:05:04 AM PST by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: muawiyah

Wait just a minute now, you can’t use facts in this discussion. You’ll just confuse everyone.


17 posted on 02/07/2012 11:06:19 AM PST by technically right
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Heat is given up to the atmosphere as ice is formed, therefore, freezing ice should warm the planet.


18 posted on 02/07/2012 11:07:15 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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19 posted on 02/07/2012 11:11:46 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I know it is crazy to even bother to apply even a modicum of ‘logic’ to this nonsense. But, for the sake of fun...

If global warming is causing the Earth to cool, then why would we want to make the Earth even colder (theoretically) by stopping or absurdly taxing fossil fuels?

If such fanciful hyperbole were actual reality, wouldn't this then send us into a deep-freeze and end life on Earth?

I have never heard them once say that ending fossil fuels would cause make the Earth warmer.

In the vain of playing whirling derbish with logic and reason, they are all screaming that the planet is going to be wiped out by either heat or cold. (really? ya think? fairly wide margin for error they are giving themselves isn't it?) And them seem equally gleeful over either scenario.

The only consistent theme from these loonies is that we are all going to die unless we give Algore millions of billions of trillion dollars to save the planet. Only he and the U.N. and our wallets and savings and retirement plans in their bank accounts can save us all from destruction!!!!!!!!!!

We peasants are just unable to grasp the danger we are in, because we are so STUPID. And remember, if we do not give up our money to undeserving fools who want it, that makes us GREEDY as well as stupid. In this upside-down world we currently live in, the people who want to keep their own money are greedy, the people who want to take it for nothing are deserving somehow. Right is wrong. Black is white. Up is down. Why wont they just shutup and do what they are told, dammit. - Algore

20 posted on 02/07/2012 11:15:31 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ok. Let me get this straight. If we assume that ice melts at 32F, how does this translate into temperatures across Europe down to -20F?


21 posted on 02/07/2012 11:15:55 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We in NH thank you, Artic Sea Ice, for keeping my heating bill less than $5000. Normally I would have four feet of Global Warming in my yard with temps in the lower teens, but thanks to the Messiah and Al Gore I only have 8”and twenty degree weather. /s


22 posted on 02/07/2012 11:17:34 AM PST by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

"I'm Baraq Obama, and I approve this message."

23 posted on 02/07/2012 11:21:33 AM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If it’s too hot - its Global Warming

If its too cold - its Global Warming

You see?

(Actually, yes- a lot of us DO see..)
You can stop reading any story that contains the words “... caused by global warming”.


24 posted on 02/07/2012 11:30:25 AM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Could, Could, Could


25 posted on 02/07/2012 11:32:57 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A warmer than normal winter in North America, and a colder than normal winter in Europe. Both the result of global warming according to these lunatics.
26 posted on 02/07/2012 11:33:27 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nice try, science whores! You’re pathetically wrong and grasping at straws to prop up a failing hoax.


27 posted on 02/07/2012 11:41:36 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It gets hot. GLOBAL WARMING!

It gets cold. SURE SIGN OF GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!

It stays the same temperature. IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 02/07/2012 11:50:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (Yes, I am THAT Conservative.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“... melting arctic sea ice has exposes huge areas of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above”

Whut? Ice on top of ocean is warmer than...ocean?

I need a flow chart.


29 posted on 02/07/2012 12:34:22 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming,...

they finally covered all the bases. it was not too long ago we were told NOT to look at weather patterns....when those patterns didn't match the models.
30 posted on 02/07/2012 1:02:03 PM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: Steely Tom
"See, it’s like this. It’s getting colder because of global warming, which is melting the North Pole."

In the middle of one mo-hozay of a bitter cold winter up this way. Guess those guys didn't hear about the tanker and the icebreaker...

31 posted on 02/07/2012 2:24:19 PM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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To: Steely Tom
"See, it’s like this. It’s getting colder because of global warming, which is melting the North Pole."

In the middle of one mo-hozay of a bitter cold winter up this way. Guess those guys didn't hear about the tanker and the icebreaker...

32 posted on 02/07/2012 2:25:33 PM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
So the witch doctors claim that the lack of mo-jo caused bad vapors which resulted in much negative karma.
33 posted on 02/07/2012 3:56:52 PM PST by Domangart
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To: VeniVidiVici
Oh, the mystery of the wind ~ one answer is that when air climbs above 5 miles it gets dryer, colder and denser, and therefore heavier, and then drops to the ground. We don't immediately notice that because it gets bent into a N/S/E/W direction by the ground. It can't blow through the surface.

Due to a variety of factors cold, dry air blows in several distinct latitudinally organized bands. Those areas are usually arid or desert like.

What that means in this case (Europe getting colder) is that the cold dry winds that would normally drop out of Arctic skies and freeze the ocean are instead moving about 1,000 miles Souf' and freezing Europe.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with sea ice! The wind really doesn't care if the Arctic Ocean basin is frozen over or open water.

The article is nuts.

34 posted on 02/07/2012 7:01:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

What is happening is the windmills in Europe are creating resistance which is changing the wind patterns in the Winter and killing innocent socialists.

Stop Big Windmill!


35 posted on 02/07/2012 9:24:48 PM PST by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“Experts said they believe complex wind patterns..”
The operative word here is ‘complex.’ In this case ‘complex’ means, “We are lying but we don't want to defend our bull shiite so we are saying it is complex and you wouldn't understand it - but trust us becuase we know better than you do.”
36 posted on 02/08/2012 5:55:44 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Perhaps the sea ice went south for the winter.

To Venice, Italy.

Venice's canals are frozen.

37 posted on 02/08/2012 6:14:08 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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