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Santorum Delivers a GOP Stunner [Shoe-String Budget: Clean Sweep: Hat-Trick: Wins MN; MO, and CO!]
Wall St. J ^ | February 07, 2012 | NEIL KING JR. And DANNY YADRON

Posted on 02/07/2012 10:36:59 PM PST by Steelfish

Santorum Delivers a GOP Stunner Former Senator Wins in Minnesota, Missouri; Romney Campaign Plays Down Nonbinding Contests

By NEIL KING JR. And DANNY YADRON

DENVER—Rick Santorum jolted the Republican presidential race Tuesday by winning nominating contests in Missouri and Minnesota, puncturing Mitt Romney's claim to be the unstoppable front-runner.

Mr. Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, was running neck and neck with Mr. Romney in preliminary returns from Colorado, a state Mr. Romney won by a wide margin in 2008.

With about 70% of the Colorado vote counted, Mr. Santorum had 38%, to 36% for Mr. Romney. Four years ago, Mr. Romney carried Colorado with 60% of the vote.

Mr. Santorum's twin victories in the Midwest will give his campaign a much-needed burst of momentum and may stir doubt about Mr. Romney's abilities to woo conservatives to his side in important electoral states such as Missouri. So far, Mr. Romney has won in states where he has devoted significant campaign time and advertising dollars.

Mr. Santorum won 55% of the Missouri vote, while Mr. Romney followed with 25%. Texas Rep. Ron Paul was trailing with 12%. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich wasn't on the Missouri ballot.

Mr. Santorum's Missouri victory margin of almost 75,000 votes over Mr. Romney was nearly 29,000 more than Mr. Romney's combined Iowa and Nevada total.

While the Tuesday results didn't directly award any of the delegates needed to claim the GOP nomination, they showed voters rejecting Mr. Romney even in states where he had performed well four years ago.

Mr. Romney had carried Minnesota in 2008 but placed third there on Tuesday. With 85% of precincts in, Mr. Santorum had 45% of the vote, while Mr. Paul had 27%. Mr. Romney had 17% of the vote and Mr. Gingrich claimed 11%.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Minnesota; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: aldo; caucusprimaries; colorado; geeksweatervest; minnesota; missouri; newt; ricksantorum; romney; santorum; santorum4romney; santorumwins
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To: WOSG; All

Agree.

Here’s what Larry Sabato has to say: (From Guardian-UK)

“Larry Sabato, professor of politics at the University of Virginia, said Santorum’s victories leave the Republican party in “a mess”. Sabato said he did not anticipate Santorum becoming the nominee and if it were to happen, Santorum would lose.”


301 posted on 02/08/2012 8:28:31 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I was watching FNC last night and they really, really, really did not want to call the Colorado race for Santorum. It was quite amazing.


302 posted on 02/08/2012 8:46:01 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Lazlo in PA

Haha no thanks, I’ll hang around.


303 posted on 02/08/2012 8:52:23 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: Antoninus

I disagree. A hardcore liberal would even be better than 0...

Hell I’d rather have hillary than 0.

This guy sickens me to my core.


304 posted on 02/08/2012 8:56:37 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: NFHale

My signup date has little to do with my experience in American politics.

Quit thinking FR is the end all be all of knowledge..


305 posted on 02/08/2012 9:03:11 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: PA Engineer

Ha! If only I could find Marty McFly...


306 posted on 02/08/2012 9:04:30 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: Toespi
Obama is a pit bull. Santorum is a poodle, Romney a Cocker Spaniel and Gingrich a fellow pit bull. Now which dog do you take to the fight?


307 posted on 02/08/2012 9:37:29 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: altura
With any luck, Super Tuesday will give us the Buddy Roemer surge we've been waiting for...



308 posted on 02/08/2012 9:46:13 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: ducttape45

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html


309 posted on 02/08/2012 10:32:01 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: katiedidit1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html


310 posted on 02/08/2012 10:45:53 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

According to Real Clear Politics, Rick Santorum has more delegates than Newt.... 35 to 32.


311 posted on 02/08/2012 10:49:17 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rick Santorum 2012 Acts 5:39


312 posted on 02/08/2012 10:56:41 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RasterMaster

Rick Santorum 2012 Acts 5:39


313 posted on 02/08/2012 10:57:49 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Deo volente
" If he gets the nomination, the media will open up the hatred on him like we’ve never seen before. " ....

He's Italian ....
314 posted on 02/08/2012 11:11:45 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
" Part of it is simply his look " ..... and that's your and other people's problem, they vote by looks.... and if people vote just by looks, then ? we are in a heap of trouble...

The American Idol ( Worship ) " Charisma " voting block.
315 posted on 02/08/2012 11:26:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
" I don't think that sells well. People tend to prefer some level of optimism, and Santorum is pretty poor at projecting that. " .....

What ? what world are you living in ? I can take a good guess you didn't even bother to listen to Rick's speech last night when he had a lot to say about " FREEDOM " ....
316 posted on 02/08/2012 11:28:57 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RygelXVI
These Santorum haters are only running on a tank full of fumes of their own opinions... they mostly have been WRONG ! about Rick Santorum, and they are the one's who in their stubbornness will give us a Romney nomination ....

The Rick Santorum supporters are not running on their own opinions, they are running on faith and optimism..
317 posted on 02/08/2012 11:34:10 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Timber Rattler

Gingrich F’d up concerning Missouri. There are some here that are pissed and have said that if he thinks he’s going to just waltz into Missouri and persuade them to vote for him, he’s got another thing coming.

Of course Missouri was the most expensive ‘beauty’ contest in the nation. But he still screwed up.

At least Santorum came here and made several stops.


318 posted on 02/08/2012 11:37:23 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (The 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit)
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To: RygelXVI
They keep talking about how Newt has more Delegates than Rick, but, according to the website Real Clear Politics, Rick has more Delegates than Newt.. 35 to 32....

Yeah, the twisted illogical logic that Rick should drop out ( never mind that Rick has won most states than all of them, and beat both Romney and Newt last night by wide margins ) and endorse Newt so the conservative votes don't get split up ....
319 posted on 02/08/2012 11:37:40 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KEeHDCsetLc


320 posted on 02/08/2012 11:40:44 PM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: true believer forever
"Using the past election totals in the other states - I have - as clearly as I could with what I considered reliable figures..."
" It would have been Newt 36 - Sanctimonium 19... "

And that there in is the problem, past election results ...
But, you know what ? some of you of those who can't stand Rick Santorum will never be persuaded anyway.... so it's a lost cause on you guys otherwise..
321 posted on 02/08/2012 11:42:25 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: true believer forever
" You know, Sanctimonium supporters are just as duplicitous, rigid, and humorless as he is... People like you, and your candidate, with your dishonesty, judgmental holier-than-thou attitudes, are not going to be very well received in the general by normal human beings. But keep chugging away... " Bla, Bla, Bla bla bla, Bla, bla.... mombo jumbo.

What's the matter ? to many sour grapes ? not a classy loser ? sore loserman ?
322 posted on 02/08/2012 11:45:32 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: writer33
" I don’t see why Newt supporters (and I’m one) don’t take their arguments elsewhere for 5 minutes and let us enjoy a conservative victory over Romney.

" It is unfortunate. "

It's because of sour grapes, sore losers, not classy in losing.
323 posted on 02/08/2012 11:47:57 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: true believer forever
" I threw my calculations away "

Who cares about YOUR calculations and opinions ?

I don't, and many people here don't.

Here is 50 cents and you can call someone who cares...
324 posted on 02/08/2012 11:50:15 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: DoughtyOne

You are such a nice guy. Thank you. You have no idea how much I respect you. ;o)


325 posted on 02/09/2012 12:14:01 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I did. And I still think he comes across with a sneering attitude towards those who don't share his exact views. To his base, that translates as him being stalwart, standing on principle, etc. But the key to electability is to be able to frame your principles and positions in a manner that is convincing to the undecided. They may be mistaken on some issues, but they're not bad people or idiots for having their views. To me, Santorum comes across as dogmatic across the board, and I think that alienates people.
326 posted on 02/09/2012 7:05:21 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Marguerite
You make a good point about Santorum's past support of Romney. Unfortunately, all three of these guys stink as candidates. That's the reality, which is why all of these threads are more full of negative comments than positive ones.

Santorum is a sanctimonious, dogmatic lightweight, Newt is a nutbag, and Romney is a slimy gameshow host. I hate to say it, but that's how I see it.

But all three are so much superior to Obama that it isn't funny. The one fortunate truth is that the tea party/conservative/anti-ObamaCare sentiment is so strong within the GOP right now that any GOP nominee would have to sing that tune after the election, or be completely abandoned by his own party and guarantee lame-duck status in his first term.

I don't like any of them, but any of them will get my vote in November.

327 posted on 02/09/2012 7:24:36 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: JediJones

Who is this Buddy Roemer of whom you speak? Is he a joke or does he exist?


328 posted on 02/09/2012 7:47:41 AM PST by altura (Pining for Perry but willing to settle for Newt or Santorum.)
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To: dixiechick2000
You have no idea how much I respect you. ;o)

I'm not sure that I share that opinion about now..., posting on a forum where my voice has been silenced, people I respect sent packing.

We trash the GOPe for not listening to the rank and file Conservative party loyalists, and then watch as some folks do their damnedest to emulate them here on the forum.

I grow weary of this schizoid behavior. This has NEVER made the forum more sound in the past, and yet here we are again.

I have met the enemy, and sometimes they are us. That is quite demoralizing.

329 posted on 02/09/2012 7:48:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I hear you! And I agree with you. I like Newt but I also fear his tendency to get loopy at times. I like him better than I like Santorum.

But who did we start out with?

With Obama hanging like an overripe fruit, we chose to send out the lame and the halt to vie for the nomination.

Huntsman?
Cain double ??
Bachmann - viable until she turned hysterical
Paul - oh, well, you know
Romney - needs another toy - might be fun to be president.
Newt - might as well
Santorum - might as well, can’t get another decent job
Perry- excellent man but negative lies and early debate flops took him down.

So we’re down to three. I will vote for who among them wins and I have zero respect for all the self righteous nuts around here who will vote for zero because they don’t like one of them.


330 posted on 02/09/2012 7:56:47 AM PST by altura (Pining for Perry but willing to settle for Newt or Santorum.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Counting your chickens before they hatch:)


331 posted on 02/09/2012 7:58:53 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Oh, well, this is all academic anyway because I just heard Karl Rove say that the Santorum victory was meaningless because virtually no delegates were involved and Romney didn’t choose to participate in a big way.

He also said that Newt’s avowed plan to sweep the South won’t work because there are not that many delegates left and he isn’t on the ballot in one state.

So, I guess we should just go home ...


332 posted on 02/09/2012 8:12:53 AM PST by altura (Pining for Perry but willing to settle for Newt or Santorum.)
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To: altura
I was on board with Newt, and voted for him in Jim's poll. But he lost me with the space colony thing, so now, I'm agnostic on which one of these guys should win the nomination.

And I agree -- the slate of candidates was weak from the start. I knew about Perry but hadn't seen him in action until the debates, and my wife and I both dropped our jaws when we actually heard/saw him. Looks like a President, but there ain't nobody home. He was the real-life version of the Dubya caricature.

Still, any one of those three will be a much better President than Obama. Romney is a funny guy. I heard him speak at the Federalist Society national convention a few years back, and he was brilliant. But how do you reconcile that with what he did as Governor?

My suspicion is that the Romney we're seeing right now is the real Romney -- pro-capitalism, etc. He talks with the zeal of someone who feels he can finally say exactly what he thinks, rather than what he needs to say/do to get elected in Massachusets. But the fact is that conservatives are fully justified in viewing him with a lot of skepticism based on his record in Massachusetts.

He can't come out and say "that wasn't the real me, this is", because that would look horrible, like he'll say anything to get elected. Which may be true. Funny thing is that it may be the truth, and he may be good once in office. But that's asking a lot of folks to take a major leap in faith. Anyway, I can't support him in the primary, but it is that hope that lets me vote for him in November if he's the nominee over Obama.

At this point, I'm not sure who I'll pull the lever for in the primaries.

333 posted on 02/09/2012 8:17:27 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: altura

altura, Rick Perry is working for Newt in Texas. Perry’s endorsement may have a huge impact in the Lone Star State. Also, we know Newt will carry Georgia and would bet many other southern states.. so, Santorum and Newt are not on the Va ballot but it is still going to be a long hard road for Mitt to win over 1,000 delegates.
I chose to ignore Rove and Coulter..don’t even listen to them any more. They are shaking because the gop establishment is being ignored by many voters and to think of all the money Mitt has spent!


334 posted on 02/09/2012 11:49:53 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: FresnoRobert; newzjunkey; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”I find the same to be true of Newt supporters. They tend to overlook huge failings on a host of critical conservative issues not to mention his electability in a general election.

Well that is because Newt would kick Obama’s behind in a national debate. He is brilliant and can cream anybody.

Newt does say he has a problem in that he can't beat a 'dishonest' opponent in a debate. But that shouldn't be a problem with Obama will it? Would Obama refuse to fight fair?

335 posted on 02/09/2012 12:29:28 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: katiedidit1

Because of liberal judges messing with Texas’ attempt at redistricting and the ensuing hassle, Texas won’t have a primary until very late. No one knows when.

Rick Perry is working for Newt but Texas votes so late it may be decided by then.


336 posted on 02/09/2012 1:11:06 PM PST by altura (Pining for Perry but willing to settle for Newt or Santorum.)
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To: altura

With Perry’s poll numbers tanking in Texas, he would not add a dime’s difference to Gingrich’s faltering campaign. If Santorum carries either AZ or MI, it’s all over for Gingrich and possibly Romney.


337 posted on 02/09/2012 3:29:53 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: altura

With Perry’s poll numbers tanking in Texas, he would not add a dime’s difference to Gingrich’s faltering campaign. If Santorum carries either AZ or MI, it’s all over for Gingrich and possibly Romney.


338 posted on 02/09/2012 3:30:09 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish; altura

Malarky. Texas is full of TEA Party folks. They won’t support an anti-TEA Party candidate. I know I won’t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KEeHDCsetLc


339 posted on 02/09/2012 3:38:30 PM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: FresnoRobert

“I find the same to be true of Newt supporters. They tend to overlook huge failings on a host of critical conservative issues not to mention his electability in a general election.”

Ain’t that the truth. Newt hasn’t been a conservative for years. He just talks that way because he gets attention for it now. People don’t trust Newt because he hasn’t been inclined to be conservative in many years. So...he didn’t bother with it. He was out sitting with Nancy for cap and trade, pitching healthcare mandates, and endorsing traitor DeDe Scozzafava. Oh, and Reagan era dead.

No thanks. I see an opportunist.


340 posted on 02/09/2012 3:47:31 PM PST by dforest
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To: Downinthedixie

“A hardcore liberal would even be better than 0...
Hell I’d rather have hillary than 0.
This guy sickens me to my core.”

It takes guts for honesty like yours on this forum as of late. But you are dead-on right.

Hillary may be a socialist to her core, but Obama is an out-and-out communist through and through.

When the chips are down, I sense that even Hillary Clinton would come down “on the American side”.
Obama will ALWAYS be “on the OTHER side”.

What really frosts me is to hear one poster after another claim that “there’s no difference between Obama and Romney”. This is delusional, plain and simple.

BTW, I -AM NOT- a Romney supporter. I actually don’t “have a candidate”. I’ve found myself leaning towards Newt early on, and will probably vote for him when the primaries roll ‘round to my state (which will be too late to really make a difference, and my state will “go democratic” in the general election, anyway). I can happily mark the spot on the ballot for Rick Santorum.

A good friend and one of the most conservative guys I know said that he didn’t care who wins the primary contest, just get Obama out of there.

I agree.


341 posted on 02/09/2012 8:17:50 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: bigdirty
Forgive me, if the GOP has a brokered convention, what’s to prevent the RINO elite from just picking Romney as the nominee?

While the RINO 'elite' would definitely be out in force in the case of a brokered convention, very few of them, if any, would be actual delegates, with voting power. They would have to somehow convince the delegates to support Romney, and if he can't get that support from the voters *now*, how will they be able to secure it in the event of a brokered convention?

Not so easily done. An open (as in no clear frontrunner) convention doesn't help Romney, or his backers in the left wing of the GOP at all, and in fact, demonstrates palpably Romney's electoral weakness as a candidiate. In fact, an open convention could see an eventual nominee who isn't even currently in the race, depending on what the delegates themselves decide...

the infowarrior

342 posted on 02/09/2012 10:41:42 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: sickoflibs
Well that is because Newt would kick Obama’s behind in a national debate. He is brilliant and can cream anybody.

Newt does say he has a problem in that he can't beat a 'dishonest' opponent in a debate. But that shouldn't be a problem with Obama will it? Would Obama refuse to fight fair?

Of course Obama would not fight fair. In fact, with the MSM in his pocket, he may not even have to *fight* at all, if by that you mean a debate. Much has been said about Newt's debating skills, and perhaps too much emphasis placed upon them. Such too easily give the appearance of "a one trick pony", and if the opposition ducks out, the trick would never be performed in any meaningful way. We are going to need more than that to prevail, I fear.

I am currently uncommitted as to nominee preference, barring only both Romney, and Paul, who are completely unacceptable to me, so I have no axe to grind, either for Santorum, or Gingrich. I would find either acceptable, if not particularly palatable...

the infowarrior

343 posted on 02/09/2012 11:10:56 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: DoughtyOne

I admit to limiting my time here because there are those with whom I disagree, and don’t want to tangle with them.

You aren’t one of those. I’ve always respected your opinion, even when we disagree.

“We trash the GOPe for not listening to the rank and file Conservative party loyalists, and then watch as some folks do their damnedest to emulate them here on the forum.”

That is a very good point. When I said that I limit my time here, it’s between, approximately, 11 pm and 1 pm.

I’ve found that it’s tough to get the dander up when answering mail and pings...and, occasionally, posting on a thread.

But, that’s just me. ;o)

You will always be aces in my book.


344 posted on 02/10/2012 12:00:30 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: infowarrior; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; calcowgirl; org.whodat; ...
RE :”Of course Obama would not fight fair. In fact, with the MSM in his pocket, he may not even have to *fight* at all, if by that you mean a debate. Much has been said about Newt's debating skills, and perhaps too much emphasis placed upon them. Such too easily give the appearance of “a one trick pony”, and if the opposition ducks out, the trick would never be performed in any meaningful way. We are going to need more than that to prevail, I fear.

Fear?? It's called common sense which appears to be lacking of more than a few here. At most there will be two or three POTUS debates and recently Newt has also said that he would refuse to debate Obama if a MSM is moderating, after claiming he will challenge Obama to 7 debates as his secret to beating him. His flaws have been so obvious all along, just review all the Newt threads here from spring to early summer and the comments on them.

345 posted on 02/10/2012 12:10:33 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: dixiechick2000

Thank you DixieChick2000. That was nice of you.


346 posted on 02/10/2012 8:24:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: publana

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/12/2008-video-shows-gingrich-backing-healthcare-mandate/


347 posted on 02/10/2012 2:41:21 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: DoughtyOne
;o)
348 posted on 02/11/2012 12:18:56 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: altura

“Who knows what will happen next.”

You got that right!


349 posted on 02/13/2012 7:25:00 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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