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Obama’s sneaky treaties
The Hill ^ | 2/8/12 | Dick Morris

Posted on 02/08/2012 9:42:48 AM PST by Nachum

President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are entering negotiations over — or seeking ratification of — five treaties that could radically limit our national sovereignty and the reach of our democratic institutions. Particularly scary is that the treaties, once signed and ratified, have the same status as constitutional law and cannot be altered or eclipsed by Congress or state legislatures. And their provisions must be enforced by U.S. courts. Those who wish to preserve our sovereignty and democratic control over our future must rally to block these treaties, either by pressing Obama and

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1 posted on 02/08/2012 9:42:56 AM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 02/08/2012 9:46:25 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Big time has already cut 70% of our nuke force with his SALT treaty. Things are going to get exciting as the PAX Americana ends.


3 posted on 02/08/2012 9:48:33 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Nachum

That’s just silly.

Who would make a treaty that would go against the best interests of the United States????

oh wait...


4 posted on 02/08/2012 9:49:09 AM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: Nachum

Doesn’t treaty ratification require 66 votes in the Senate?


5 posted on 02/08/2012 9:57:18 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Nachum
Particularly scary is that the treaties, once signed and ratified, have the same status as constitutional law and cannot be altered or eclipsed by Congress or state legislatures. And their provisions must be enforced by U.S. courts.

I do believe a different opinion exists HERE

6 posted on 02/08/2012 9:59:53 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: KoRn
Doesn’t treaty ratification require 66 votes in the Senate?

From THOMAS:

In accordance with the Constitution, the Senate has responsibility for advice and consent to ratification of treaties with other nations that have been negotiated and agreed to by the Executive Branch.

But that doesn't mean anything to Obama. He won, remember?

7 posted on 02/08/2012 10:00:52 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: KoRn

Yes, a treaty needs 66 votes, but Obama can choose to comply with the terms of a treaty, even if it has not been ratified.


8 posted on 02/08/2012 10:13:13 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: Nachum
Particularly scary is that the treaties, once signed and ratified, have the same status as constitutional law and cannot be altered or eclipsed by Congress or state legislatures. And their provisions must be enforced by U.S. courts.

While these treaties are atrocious, and any one of them would be problematic if ratified, the United States Supreme Court absolutely CAN overturn all or part of any treaty which it decides violates the United States Constitution.

Article III, Section 2: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority..."

9 posted on 02/08/2012 10:17:30 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Nachum

Somewhere around here, I saw an old piece of parchment paper, that said something about the Senate having to ratify a treaty before it’s enforcement.

Now where did I see that? Oh, I remember, it was in Zer0’s bathroomm!


10 posted on 02/08/2012 10:27:59 AM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: KoRn

Yes, the Senate must ratify treaties. So, get the Democrats out of the majority in the Senate. Vote for freedom and our Constitution in 11/2012.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 10:53:03 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: KoRn

No, a treaty does not require 66 votes in the senate for ratification. It requires a 2/3 affirmative vote of the senators present. There is a difference.

The senate can be in session with a 51 member quorum present. 2/3 of that is 34 votes - the bare minimum required.

Mind you, few senators would miss a vote on a treaty, assuming they knew about it.


12 posted on 02/08/2012 11:30:06 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Nachum

Bump for reading and understanding later.


13 posted on 02/08/2012 11:50:04 AM PST by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: WayneS
Article III, Section 2: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority..."

Yes, and it also says:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance therefore; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

That last clause leaves me a bit uncertain.

14 posted on 02/08/2012 11:58:39 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: KoRn; RicocheT; green iguana
Doesn’t treaty ratification require 66 votes in the Senate?

That would be 67, and the answer is NO. It's been done without a quorum too.

All it takes is a signature and FedGov, Inc. will start finding a way to abide by its terms, ratification or no.

15 posted on 02/08/2012 12:01:01 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Max in Utah

I am pretty sure that “...the Judges in every State...” does not include the United States Supreme Court.


16 posted on 02/08/2012 12:06:23 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Carry_Okie

What treaty has been ratified with the Senate lacking a quorum?

You make a good point about the executive branch working to pass rules and regs with no regard to the ratification status of a signed treaty.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 12:23:49 PM PST by green iguana
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18 posted on 02/08/2012 1:12:14 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: WayneS

That’s reassuring. I already can’t trust 67 Senators to do the right thing; you think I can trust 9 black robes?


19 posted on 02/08/2012 1:17:47 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: green iguana
One example is the Convention on Nature Protection and Wild Life Preservation in the Western Hemisphere, perhaps the most powerful treaty on the books when it comes to land use.

Please read the article linked above.

20 posted on 02/08/2012 1:22:52 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Nachum

Communist dictators don’t need to worry about little things like the Constitution. Just ask Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the wicked witch of the Left.


21 posted on 02/08/2012 8:28:21 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Noob1999

I don’t suppose you would care to explain to us just what you were doing in that bathroom.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 6:20:31 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Nachum

I thought the Senate had to vote on treaties, am I wrong? Or is 0bastard just doing his unconstitutional coup stuff and no one has the guts to stand up to him?


23 posted on 02/09/2012 5:06:22 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Nachum

I should have read the whole thread before asking, one of my many bad habits I need to work on.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 5:09:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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