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Posted on 02/08/2012 11:21:56 AM PST by Kaslin
I’m interested in what happened in Colorado. As most FR people know Romney received 60% of the Republican vote in 2008. Has there been a demographic shift? What percentage of the Mormon vote did Romney receive Tuesday?
I am so tired of these Romney backers like this Charlotte Hays women Rush quotes who fall back on the “electability” argument instead of being HONEST about why they’re supporting Romney. The Republican Romney backers I’ve known are not just social moderates, they are anti-religious bigots. They look down their noses with disdain and mockery at social/religious conservatives. They are VERY happy to not talk about abortion because they are VERY happy with the status quo. And their new issue is gay marriage...the only thing that surpasses their desire to legalize gay marriage is their disdain and distaste for the people who DON’T want to legalize it.
I disagree with Rush on several things. I understand more why Newt wants to be president than why Rick does. Newt has been very clear that he wants to radically change Washington and fix the broken system. Rick hasn’t been nearly as clear on the “theme” for his presidency. Ron Paul is pretty darn clear as well. Mitt is obviously the one who’s not clear at all.
I disagree that Reagan was the last time we tried to sell conservatism to the public. 1994 and Newt’s Contract with America was the last time and domestically it was even more important and significant than the Reagan revolution. Reagan’s greatest triumph was on foreign policy.
I also disagree that Rick is getting support because he’s the last conservative or whatever Rush said. Rick is getting support because people, rightly or wrongly, are buying into the line that Newt is unelectable (they just haven’t swallowed the corresponding story that Mitt IS electable). People know Newt is a true conservative, all the exit polls have shown it. No one is buying the UTTER NONSENSE that Newt is not a rock-solid conservative.
Are you from Pennsylvania? Bob Casey Sr. was a beloved multi-term Catholic pro-life Democrat governor here who had several high-profile showdowns with the Democrat party. People knew very little about the son and he basically rode in on the coattails of his extremely popular father, thanks in large part to having the same name as him. It was a terrible year for Republicans in general, and anyone who reminded people of Bob Casey Sr. was going to be a more than acceptable alternative.
I hope to see the establishment shocked again and again all the way to the convention.
Elitist always underestimate the dumb masses:)
I’m not totally sure of the timing, but many conservatives like Rush and even Santorum endorsed Romney last time (which I find hard to imagine but it apparently happened). So Romney was the conservative alternative to McCain, and now Santorum is the conservative alternative to Romney. It’s a consistent result, the voters voted more or less for who they thought was the most acceptable conservative each time and against the frontrunning moderate.
And of course you have proof of this other than your own opinion?
I’m catholic. I’ve got tons of friends who are also catholic and we are all staunch conservatives and are registered Republicans.
I think you’re using a very broad brush here with nothing to prove your statement.
You obviously got your feelings hurt, but stick around for a while and you will see that especially the catholics here recognize that the vast majority of catholics at large vote the Democrat line.
That is no reflection on you.
I’m sure that most East Coast catholics might vote that way. As do some who call themselves catholics like Kerry and Pelosi, but the go-to-church-every-sunday Catholics don’t and they don’t support pro-choice candidates.
Again, post some proof otherwise it’s just your opinion and worth the paper it’s printed on.
Also, are YOU Catholic?
Seems to be some religious bigotry taking place here on FR.
They didn't matter before Newt was carpet bombed by Mitt in Iowa. And I don't think any of mitt's ads were about gingrich's hair, so I doubt they matter now. At least not to adults.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=359613
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070624/2catholics.htm
And finally....
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=catholics+voting+democrat&pbx=1&oq=catholics+voting&aq=2v&aqi=g1g-v3&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=2452l8177l0l11786l16l13l0l3l3l2l1059l5507l1.0.5.3.1.0.2.1l16l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=5cc5f2909ebec614&biw=1600&bih=710
Got some proof of that, Jack?
FWIW, I have relatives that are Catholics. And they go every Sunday, sing in the church, etc, etc....but they vote for Democrats every election.
Who will it be?
"SANTORUM: Well, look what happens when the government gives you rights. When the government gives you rights, unlike when God gives you rights, the government can take them away. When government gives you rights, the government can tell you how to exercise those rights. And we saw that just in the last week with a group of people -- a small group of people: Just Catholics in the United States of America."
Someone has said, "One man, plus truth, is an army."
Dr. Leonard Read (FEE): "Every good movement in the history of the world has been led by an infinitesimal minority. . . the perfect example, Jesus of Nazareth. Edmund Burke wrote, 'How often has public calamity been arrested on the very brink of ruin by the seasonable energy of a single man?' just a few - ONE - is enough."
Three Republican candidates--Paul, Gingrich and Santorum--seem to understand and be able to articulate the ideas of individual freedom which underlie the U. S. Constitution.
This most recent affront to the Constitution's protections by the Obama Administration, combined with other intrusions over the past 3 years, could be the catalyst for a real leader to emerge who will lead citizens to rediscover the ideas which made America a destination for oppressed people.
Economic freedom is only one dimension of the Founders' concept of liberty. Today's jobs and economic problems will resolve themselves if America turns back to the path laid out by President Jefferson in his First Inaugural:
"The essential principles of our Government... form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty and safety." --1st Inaugural Address, 1801
your comments deserve serious consideration.
Thank you.
That is all I’m trying to do. Voters must look at the candidates in whole and ignore, as well as they possibly can, much of the nonsense broadcasted in the media.
“The Republican Romney backers I’ve known are not just social moderates, they are anti-religious bigots. They look down their noses with disdain and mockery at social/religious conservatives. They are VERY happy to not talk about abortion because they are VERY happy with the status quo. And their new issue is gay marriage...the only thing that surpasses their desire to legalize gay marriage is their disdain and distaste for the people who DON’T want to legalize it.”
Anti-religious bigots? happy with legal abortion? desire to legalize gay marriage? i’m not sure who you talk to, but the Romney supporters i know of don’t hold those views.
regardless, Newt is the party’s best hope for beating BO in 2012.
JUST SAY NO TO BO IN 2012.
I think so. Not all Bishops - some are heroes. But all the libs and moderates, of which there are plenty.
Don't even try to compare Santorum to Carter. Ford was establishment and as dull as dishwater.
The only proof I have of that is that I’m friends with many of them and we talk politics quite often and not one that I know personally votes Democrat.
Did you take the time to read any of the articles you posted as proof to me?
The first one was dated from the Clinton era and it shows that in some elections (Clintons mostly) Catholics helped him get elected but it also states that Catholics helped Bush get elected as well.
The second link you posted was to a forum of Catholics and funny but I noticed that the majority of the posters were saying they are Republicans and never vote Democrat. Only one admitted to doing so.
The third link was titled something like Democrats trying to win back the Catholic vote. So this would be counter to your claim that Democrats already have the catholic vote. This article was dated from 2006 and I don’t think it proved your point very well.
The last one was a bunch of links to various sites that make your claim (one being Wikipedia which is never to be used as proof of anything since it has little credibility especially when it comes to religion or politics).
SO you have “relatives” who are Catholic and you know all about Catholics from knowing them?
This is like saying I have “friends” who are black so I know all about them and the things I say are not racist but true. LOL
So which part of the USA are you from?
East Coast or West Coast I can probably agree that most Catholics do vote Democrat. I also would say that most East Coast or West Coast Catholics are CINOs. They warp the teachings of the Catholic religion to allow them to support things the church is against. Just like Pelosi and Kerry do.
Sorry, but your postings can be debunked in a search for “catholics voting republican” and who’s to say my links are any less valid or meaningful than those you posted?
See?
Fair enough...and stands to reason.
East Coast or West Coast I can probably agree that most Catholics do vote Democrat. I also would say that most East Coast or West Coast Catholics are CINOs. They warp the teachings of the Catholic religion to allow them to support things the church is against. Just like Pelosi and Kerry do.
And right O once again.....And therefore my point.
Sorry....but I still think most Catholics vote Democrat. You've in a round about way have agreed.
I'm not happy about it...but I think it's true.
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