Skip to comments.How disastrous was Santorumís endorsement of Specter? Can you say "Obamacare?"
Posted on 02/08/2012 3:37:31 PM PST by red flanker
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“Many people were uncomfortable with impeachment of a sitting president, it is a road many just did not want to go down.”
The Senate refused to impeach Clinton because they didn’t want Gore to be a sitting president at election time.
I don’t who Bill Collier is. Read the book, or at the least read up on the book, and whether it was adjudged reliable or a truly factual account of the times... who cares who posted the excerpts of the book... it is the veracity of the experts not the webmaster...
You are totally right. If Santorum would have backed Toomey, he would have lost support from the state GOP and the WH. People don't realize how expensive and hard PA is to run state wide. You have 2 major media markets to pay for and lots of small ones in between. Philly alone is murder to pay for.
What a despicable post, as if Santorum was responsible for what Specter did. With Bush against Toomey, it was unlikely his endorsement amounted to squat.
Yes! that “garbage” was the women - the dems once called them the nuts and sluts - and the senate didn’t want any part of it... that’s why holier-than-thou Sanctimonium and Lott doublecrossed them... they didn’t want women, i.e., garbage in the senate. It makes me upset just typing this post to you about it...
This assumes that Pat Toomey could have beaten the democrat who surely would have run against him. Could he have won? 2 years later, Pennsylvania voted out a conservative by 17 points, so it appears there was a limit to their support for solid conservatives.
Heck, in a WAVE year for Republicans, Toomey only beat Sestack by 2%.
But maybe the democrats would have been so shocked by the upset of Specter that they wouldn’t have had time to play their ballot games and put Casey up against him.
Interesting though. Suppose they had? Then Casey would have beat Toomey. Santorum would have won in 2006, having NOT to run against Casey, and not having angered conservatives. So Santorum would have been the 60th vote, and Obamacare wouldn’t have passed.
So it’s Santorum’s fault for losing his election. That’s the ticket.
[There is a smile on Kennedys face but his eyes arent smiling.]
I think the clinical term is “untreated alcoholism.”
I will not bash either Newt or Santorum, I will save my fire for the real opponent. We shouldn't be damaging the anti-Romneys so much that they can't run against Obama if one does happen to bring down Mr. GOP-E Inevitable.
He's establishment. He's a conservative of convenient who talks up marriage and life as cover for his record.
You know, Clinton was my governor before being elected president. I wrote that he’d have a constant stream of women in and out of the oval office and was ridiculed in print! Santorum was right not to want to go forward with impeachment for this. To be honest, nearly all the democratic presidents, and a couple republican ones had also had dalliances going on. That was not a reason to impeach. We SHOULD have tried to impeach on articles of treason, for selling the Chinese our submarine intelligence and other things, lots of them. But letters to our Congressmen/women were not returned. Some were taking up the issue, but it was not making traction where it needed to be. Anyway, the point is that his infidelity and his lying about it were not really impeachable things, just contempt of court issues. Anytime republicans take issue with democrats on character issues, it never ends pretty for the republicans. They then went after several republicans who then resigned or were asked to step down, and though most of them were later exonerated, it was not publicly. The republicans were making a circus out of the whole affair. I’m glad that someone had the sense to stop it. It should’ve been handled in a private manner, not open public hearings. I was living overseas by then and it was embarrassing. The world was not shocked by his behavior...they had read enough about him to know what he was going to do, but they felt that we republicans had handled the issue poorly.
The Christian manner of dealing with this type of thing is to talk to the person privately. If that does not work, you take your clergy, or his, and talk with the person. IF that does not help, you then denounce the person publicly. Bill Clinton did not run as a conservative, you remember. He made no pretenses of being a conservative. Before him, you had Barney Franks affair with an intern and running a gay brothel from his home, with no penalties. To me, that was a breach of trust because of the abuse of the young intern, and if the public pays rent for the Congressman’s house, then that was criminal use. He should’ve been thrown out. So, this was small potatoes in relation to that. I realize you must hate Santorum, but had you been in his shoes, you might have done the same thing. To save the republicans from the total disaster of making a fool of themselves, and they were well on the way to it.
I will take a politician like Toomey any day over any democrat counterpart. In real world we must live in, no one is pure as white snow. We must look at overall effect. Even Sarah Palin endorsed McCain in his senate bid against a much more conservative candidate.
Wango-Tango! Home Run!! Bravo, encore!!!
Not again...Analysis that is quite a stretch, to say the least.
Santorum would not have won his previous races without Specter’s strong backing, especially the 49-47 victory over Worford in 1994. It would have required a lack of integrity on the part of Santorum to have not returned the favor when Specter found his own self in a pinch. Specter had also been a staunch and outspoken opponent of such health care schemes in the past.
And while it is possible, there is no guarantee that Toomey would have been able to defeat Hoeffel in the general election, as Kerry carried the state at the top of the ticket. Odds are probably against. Hoeffel would have certainly been right there voting for Obamacare had he been in the Senate rather than Toomey or Specter.
Let’s stick with reality when it comes to analysis...that isn’t asking too much.
No, I don’t hate Santorum. I have read your post twice now, and copied it to read again later.
I do think your word “circus” - from what I have read so far - is really spot on...
I could go into a long boring discourse about what I really don’t like about Sanctimonium is the way he abrogates the work of Christ with his so-called quality character so much better than Newt’s, and the fact a few days ago in CO, he told a group of evangelicals, “God called me to do this.”
But it’s late and I’m tired, though I am going to chew on your post a bit more when I get some time... I just think all of them should be put in a major time-out until they grow up...
Rick Santorum, megalomaniac mental case.
Pond scum lawyer is being bankrolled by Romney supporters (stalking horse) and voted to force workers to belong to unions and pay dues against their will, then lost by 17% in his reelection because he endorsed Specter over Toomey.
Specter then voted for Obamacare.
Then he endorses that degenerate Romney in 2008, and his family in Italy are all communists.
Yeah, a real conservative
HELL STAY IN THE RACE LONG ENOUGH TO ENSURE THE MORMON BISHOPS CORONATION AND THEN CUT A DEAL WITH THE CULTIST.
I guess winning Missouri is easy when Gingrich isnt even on the ballot.
He should go back to chasing ambulances.
Important point. The congressmen certainly knew about those things, they knew about the corruption and treason, but for whatever reason they weren't allowed to go after those things. So they went after him on what was by comparison extremely small potatoes.
For something that mattered hardly at all, we got Ken Starr and endless investigations (that went no where). For something that really did matter, we got a supposed investigation bottled up in the Justice Department, that was quietly shelved after GW became president.
So, whats up with that?
Clinton met with the head of the Chinese military industries more often than he met with Monica, and the DNC had to return millions of Chinese dollars, but the GOP grandees didn't think that was worth impeachment or even a hearing.
Specter was actually up in 2010, not 2008. Senators serve 6 year terms.
However, noteworthy is the fact at that the time of Santorum’s endorsement, Specter had a strong history of opposing such health care schemes, and is regarded as one of the key architects in illustrating how horrific government run healthcare was back in the debate over Hillarycare. He directed his staff to make a complete list of all of the boards, commissions, etc. that would have created a bureaucratic nightmare and they in turn used it to create a chart for him - Senator Bob Dole used the chart in his response to Clinton’s State of the Union address and he referred to it as his ‘best friend’. The chart helped to illustrate to the public how awful this kind of healthcare scheme is.
Here’s a video of Specter from 1994 on the floor of the Senate discussing the chart:
Well, couldn't somebody just reopen that investigation...
Integrity vs morality, maybe integrity vs honesty, how about integrity vs actual beliefs - is there a place where I can look that up for politicians?
Since when does returning a favor rank even close to anything else that most profess to be actual - you know decent traits for politicians?
Ah, the cut and paste nonsense returns, with a few added inaccuracies. Gingrich was on the ballot in the other two contests from the same day which you conveniently left out.
Here it is in Herman German... Nine! Nine! Nine!!!
And here I thought you were getting too tired to reply anymore today... Pfffffft!!!
Yet another hit piece, you need to get over it Red.
That’s not a response to what I said. Try sticking to the facts rather than emotion.
IT’S WORTH REMINDING EVERYONE HOW THIS MONSTROSITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE.
IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH:
Evil, or just Stupid?
October/November 2009 and ObamaCare was stalled in the House, the main sticking point being government funded abortions. There were enough Dems opposed to abortion that refused to vote for the ObamaCare if it contained any abortion language that it would not pass.
Representative Stupak (D) MI introduced his amendment that prohibited any government money from ObamaCare bill being used to fund abortions. This essentially would end all abortions, as no medical procedures outside the ObamaCare System can be done. No going to a doctor and paying him directly for anything. Thus, with his amendment, ALL abortions would be illegal.
This amendment to the House bill, if it passed, would give the above ‘Pro-Life’ Democrats a green light to vote for the ObamaCare bill.
Not enough Democrats supported the Stupak Amendment for it to pass. Many Democrats were vociferously opposed to it. It could only pass with Republican votes.
National Right to Life favored the Stupak Amendment, and insisted that Republicans vote for it. Further, they threatened any Republican who didn’t vote for it with their active opposition to that Republican during the 2010 fall election.
The Republicans caved, even those who could see the eventual outcome, right down to the last man. One hundred percent voted for the Stupak Amendment, along with a bunch of Dems who were opposed to abortions. Stupak handily passed.
Nobody believed the Amendment would stick; eventually it would/will be overridden in some fashion and Government funded abortion would become part of ObamaCare. Abortion is the Prime Sacrament of the Left, and will not be denied government funding, let alone be made illegal.
With a green light, the Pro-Life Dems could vote for ObamaCare, and although many hard-line Leftists were angry, enough of them also could see the end game, and agreed to vote pass ObamaCare.
A couple days later ObamaCare passed the House.
Everyone knew how this would play out, and it did. Rush spoke about it on his show.
I am of the opinion even National Right to Life knew it would play out this way. Im not aware of anyone who thought otherwise. That leaves us with two opinions of their leadership;
The NRTL is Stupid Strategy;
1. They are so locked into their stop abortion at all costs viewpoint that they cant operate with a strategy that goes beyond 24 hours. Liberals like to say that conservatives are stupid and easily lead, this situation is circumstantial proof that Leftists are right from time to time. This is the NRTL Stupid Strategy.
The NRTL is Evil Strategy;
2. They were in cahoots with the Pro-Abort crowd on this, and were complicit in getting ObamaCare passed in the House, ObamaCare which will include a monthly premium from all of us to fund abortions. This would be the NRTL Evil Strategy.
Either way, too stupid, or just evil, they are unfit to lead the movement to reduce or end abortions. Their thuggish actions have brought us to the brink of the enslavement of 300 million Americans, ending of the most advanced medical care in the entire history of the world, and will lead, ironically, to Chinese style government mandated and government funded abortions.
I am unaware of any other organization which has played such a pivotal role against Americans and babies in the ObamaCare fight as National Right to Life has.
Don’t tell me, let me guess, you support Tricky Ricky Sanctimonium - I can always spot you judgmental rigid humorless holier-than-thou types a mile away...
Actually, some of the interesting thoughtful posts here (not any of yours to be sure) have rejuvenated me...
I think you need a nap, though.
Thank you! :)
“This has been a big problem for me for a long time...”
Me too....BUT I am willing to overlook it! It was a huge mistake on his part! The thing is...I wonder if he realizes that!!
“This has been a big problem for me for a long time...”
Me too....BUT I am willing to overlook it! It was a huge mistake on his part! The thing is...I wonder if he realizes that!!
Do you SERIOUSLY think that a union loving lawyer whose campaign is being bankrolled by MORMON ROMNEY SUPPORTERS to take out Gingrich has any shot of getting the nomination?
Or are you all just so retarded or mesmerized by a sweater vest that you can't see a con?
“and Toomey gave us gays in the military”
Uh...they were already IN the military. They just couldn’t say they were gay AND to be honest, THAT was a stupid POLICY to have in a supposed FREE country!
And before that, Clarence Thomas. Specter was also instrumental in deconstructing the smear job against him and saving that nomination. That was another item that was a much more prominent part of Specter’s resume at the time of Santorum’s endorsement in addition to his efforts to block Hillarycare...and probably also looking out for his state since seniority is such a huge factor in the pecking order of the Senate (that is a purely political consideration, no doubt...take it for what it is worth). This article judges the endorsement based mostly on things that happened well after that day that were not part of the equation at the time.
The House impeaches, the Senate convicts.
The House impeached Clinton, for lying under oath.
The Senate had a trial to remove from office, and found no compelling reason to do so.
Clinton WAS impeached.
In 1994 Santorum defeated Sen Wofford, a liberal Democrat proponent of HillaryCare.
Since then Santorum has opposed mandates and central govt style approach to healthcare.
It would be sweet justice if Santorum could stand up for life and defeat the pro-abort President Obama and take down and repeal his Obamacare.
I can’t stand Specter, but as interrogator of Anita Hill, he also brought us Clarence Thomas.
I saw Santorum and Specter appear with Pres. Bush at a stadium rally in 2004. There were cheers for Bush, loud adoration for Santorum, and hearty boos for Specter. If I recall correctly, Pres. Bush feared losing Specter’s sure Senate seat and requested Santorum’s support. Judges were the issue. It was hard to swallow, but Santorum was helping his President in the context of 2004.
It’s kind of hard to predict unintended consequences of not yet conceived issues. I’m glad for the three fine justices, and Specter remained a weasel, then a spectre.
It’s really sad when you can’t add anymore... Thanks for the correction. Now I have to go get my post deleted..... :-)
Thanks for having my back. Feel like I’m traveling in enemy territory here lately.
No question that Santorum sports an enormous wart by the name of Arlen.
I can overlook it if need be.
Gingrich is far better IMO but all I require is credible conservatism and pro-life conviction.
Santorum would appoint decent judges.
He’s probably serious in his remarks about space exploration, which means he’s a small-minded fellow and no leader of consequence, but I’d take that.
He’d lose in November, but not by much, and he won’t cause us to lose the House.
Long as it’s not Romney, I’m at peace with it.
Can you say “Cornhusker Kickback? I’m sure Ben Nelson is heaving a sigh of relief that he’s off the hook for that one.
you say that as if it was something new. LOL
It’s called Senatorial courtesy, endorsing a fellow Senator of one’s own party as long as there are no ethics charges. In retrospect, it was a mistake, but I say let bye-gones be bye-gones.
That explains why Rick is so passionate about repealing this boondoggle!
Myopia rules your commentary and really makes you look quite simplistic with your platitudinous criticism that is totally without foundation. Here's a quarter... call someone who cares what you think.
With your attitude you'll never get anyone worthwhile to see anything your way and you'll grow old early, bitter, destitute and very lonely. In other words... get help!!!
Santorum said Alito would not be a Justice if it weren’t for Specter. Specter was very effective at being the head of the Judicial Committee.
Rick Santorum realized that the Dems would have control of the Judicial Committee, if the GOP didn’t have the majority in the Senate, and he thought Specter would have the best chance of winning, as well as being an effective head of the Judicial Committee.
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