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Posted on 02/08/2012 9:15:58 PM PST by Kevmo
More Respectability for LENR: Now to be Discussed at CERN Colloquium
February 9, 2012
Shortly after NASAs web site has featured a video promoting LENR as a possible future energy solution, we now find that CERN (The European Organization for Nuclear Research) is providing a forum for the subject at a colloquium to be held on March 22 entitled, Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR)
The description about the event reads as follows:
An overview will be given on the main progress made since March 1989- through experimental/theoretical studies on thermal/nuclear anomalies observed in forced interactions of Hydrogen isotopes (H, D), in non-equilibrium conditions, with pure or alloyed materials (mainly Palladium, Nickel).
Most of the experiments used electrolytic environments at moderate temperatures (20-50°C). More recently, gas environments have been used at higher temperatures (between 200-400°C and even temperatures between 500-900°C have been employed).
Specific nanostructures have begun to play a crucial role both in basic studies as well as in, recently claimed, technological/industrial applications .
A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain several experimental anomalies in LENR. A brief description of a weak interaction model shall be presented that claims to explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far .
The presenters at the Colloquium are listed as Francesco Celani and Yogendra Srivastava. Celani is a physicist with the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics, and Srivastave is an emeritus professor of physics at Indiana University. It seems from the description above, which mentions a weak interaction model, that these professors will be making a case for the http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Widom-Larsen.php
Its interesting to see that the scientific community is giving new attention to a field that has been in the wilderness for so many years perhaps it is time for LENR to be welcomed into the mainstream .
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I doubt it, given the description of a CERN Colloquium from the CERN website:
Non-technical talk of general interest addressed to all people at CERN from all departments. organizer : Ignatios ANTONIADIS
“More respectability for LENR”
Cold fusion: the Henny Youngman of science!
“tea and coffee will be served.”
Alas, they won’t be using LENR to heat the water.
Take my E-Cat — please.
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Hmmmm....I thought you were "all about Rossi"?? Guess that was just another "minor" mis-statement on your part. Note that the word "Rossi" appears NOWHERE in the posted excerpt, the original linked article, nor in any of Kevmo's comments.
But I'm glad to see you've finally outed yourself as just another garden-variety anti-LENR skeptopath, and not the "shining knight protecting the savings of widows and orphans from fraud" that you paint yourself as.
Note that the word "Rossi" appears NOWHERE in the posted excerpt, the original linked article, nor in any of Kevmo's comments.Note that I never mentioned Rossi. You're the first one to drag him into this thread.
You're still an idiot.
But I'm glad to see you've finally outed yourself as just another garden-variety anti-LENR skeptopathI just want to know why they can't, after almost 25 years of research, produce so much as a cup of hot water for the tea they are promising at the end of the talk. (LINK)
That would be a wonderful demonstration that they have something that might eventually be worth something. But they can't even do that.
Hey! White Noise. How ya doing? Thought about our wager any more? No? Didn’t think you had the stones.
Could it possibly be because research has been stalled, shut down, denied funding, had researchers denied tenure, been brought up before academic witch hunts and similar slightly less than ethical behavior on the part of your fellow skeptopaths?? Might it not have made more and faster progress if all that had never taken place??
But you get your knickers in a knot over Rossi while ignoring a far bigger fraud. Methinks your prejudices have become transparent.
YES! I’ve been going through LENR withdrawals.
The last thing I saw was a week or so ago where Defkalion was testing the reactor in their lab.
What news Rossi?
During this LENR dry spell, I’ve been looking around the web.
What do you think of the Polywell or the Fusor?
Could it possibly be because research has been stalled, shut down, denied funding, had researchers denied tenure, been brought up before academic witch hunts and similar slightly less than ethical behavior on the part of your fellow skeptopaths?? Might it not have made more and faster progress if all that had never taken place??It's possible, but it's much more likely that LENR doesn't work well enough to have any practical use.
By the way, the MIT presentation by Mitchell Swartz just a couple of weeks ago showed a device that, at best, would take almost a week to produce enough energy to brew a cup of tea. That's an example of the state of the art in real LENR research (as opposed to Rossi's scam).
That's why the world is ignoring LENR. It is nothing more than a laboratory oddity, and in almost 25 years, no one has managed to find even a trivial real-world use for it.
What news Rossi?Rossi claims to be working with "secret" Universities to test his gadget (after failing to follow through on the contract with the University of Bologna, which he had lied about all last year).
Rossi was discovered to have the original "Megawatt E-Cat" sitting, unused, in his warehouse. He claims that he's been fixing the leaking gaskets for the last 4 months.
Rossi claims that he's working with Underwriter's Laboratory, but of course there is no independent confirmation of this.
Rossi is now claiming that his home E-Cat will cost between $600 - $800. Of course, there's not independent confirmation that he has any such thing.
Rossi is claiming to be building his "robotic factory" to build millions of E-Cat modules, in Florida. There is, of course, no evidence that he is doing any such thing.
We're still waiting for the "detailed isotopic analysis" that Sven Kullander promised would be available before Christmas. Since this would have been the only independent evidence that the E-Cat is actually doing anything, it is particularly unfortunate that it is yet another failed promise about the E-Cat.
I think that pretty much brings us up to date.
I've been following the Polywell with real interest ever since just before Bussard died. Bussard's approach is, I think, a truly great innovative approach to hot fusion. Probably THE most successful approach to fusion has been electrostatic confinement. The sole drawback (and what makes it impossible to scale up, is that whatever electrode material functions as the electrode in the center of the sphere gets hot, melts, and suffers severe radiation damage. Bussard figured that he could use a NON-material electrode (a cloud of electrons confined by a magnetic field, and replenished by an electron gun). Since electrons are so much smaller and lighter than any ion, it takes much less magnetic field to confine.
Progress is a bit hard to follow, as the Navy is funding the effort, and is "playing it's cards close". But apparently than have done 500 "shots" and are close to trying P-B fusion (which yields virtually no neutrons).
Not sure which "Fusor" you are talking about. The earliest "Fusor" was developed by Philo T. Farnsworth (the guy that invented television), and the Polywell itself is one "flavor" of "Fusor-type" reactor.
Obviously, you've ignored all the recent research that says otherwise.
"By the way, the MIT presentation by Mitchell Swartz just a couple of weeks ago showed a device that, at best, would take almost a week to produce enough energy to brew a cup of tea. That's an example of the state of the art in real LENR research (as opposed to Rossi's scam)."
I've already pointed out that what matters is COP and not absolute power level. Your material is getting stale. You just keep regurgitating the same stuff, over and over.
You're not worth wasting more time over. You'll only look at evidence that matches your personal prejudices. That's called "intellectual dishonesty", and IMO, puts you in the same category you put Rossi, a fraud. The only difference is that one is financial and the other intellectual. Bye!
Urk! “Than” should be “they”. I gotta start doing closer proof-reading!