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The President's Anti-Catholic Duck
Townhall.com ^ | February 9, 2012 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:33 AM PST by Kaslin

When President Obama signed off on the new HHS regulations that demand every Catholic institution in the country not officially designated a "church" either shut down or offer its employees subsidized sterilization, "morning after" pills and all other forms of contraception, neither the president nor his political team recognized the enormity of the mistake they were making.

In attacking the Roman Catholic Church in America on the question of abortion rights absolutism, the president and his team had thought they were dividing women from Republicans when in fact they were uniting Catholics of all political persuasions in a single front instantly organized against this colossal and unconstitutional overreach.

Here is the latest fact sheet on the president's regulations from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Here are transcripts of interviews I have conducted with Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum on the issue as well as my conversation with Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix, all of which illustrate the widespread opposition to the president's decision.

Here is the exchange I had with the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza, which demonstrates that the Manhattan-Beltway media elite didn't know what had happened.

And here is my q-and-a with the Washington Post's E.J. Dionne from Wednesday's radio show in which E.J. and I debate whether the president is actually anti-Catholic. (This transcript is co-located with that of the exchange with Senator Pat Toomey on the subject.)

Of course the president is anti-Catholic. How could you not be when you endorse and support a policy that, if not revoked, will close Notre Dame, B.C., Georgetown and every other Catholic college and university in the land, as well as every Catholic elementary and secondary school, every Catholic hospital and clinic, and every Catholic social service agency that refuses to renounce core Catholic teachings?

Not anti-Catholic? Either the Church repudiates itself and its core teaching or it shutters its thousands of branches and severs its arms and legs?

I provide these links as a primer for any person of goodwill left on the left. The policy will not stand. You may not "get it" yet but even a passing effort will acquaint you with the facts: If carried out these regulations will result in a crushing defeat of the president and every even modestly vulnerable Democrat in the Congress. Catholics will not allow this to happen.

"We cannot --we will not-- comply with this unjust law," wrote Bishop Olmsted and many other bishops the week after it was released.

This is not just a Catholic issue. Supporters of the First Amendment's right of Free Exercise of Religion will rally to their Catholic friends regardless of denomination or lack of belief.

If there is any doubt in your mind where this is headed, read through my discussion with E.J. Dionne. E.J. is a thoughtful, serious liberal, a partisan Democrat of course, but a genuinely devout Catholic who is not only deeply troubled by the president's decision, but also vocal about it.

If you look at E.J.'s argument with me, you will also see that his halting defense of the president --a speech here, some subsidies he received decades ago-- simply cannot refute the charge of anti-Catholic animus as deduced from the effects of the policy.

If it looks like an anti-Catholic duck, walks like an anti-Catholic duck, and sounds like an anti-Catholic duck, then it is an anti-Catholic duck.

E.J. intuits this, but isn't yet to the position of resignation to the choice that faces him and every other Obama supporter who is either Catholic or a supporter of religious liberty.

Dionne bristled at the idea that this is a Bonhoeffer moment, but of course it is. The attack on the Catholic Church requires people of conscience to say no and to do so with passion and persistence.

My friend and Salem Radio Network colleague, Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr., the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has very carefully laid out the background and the consequences of the president's decision here.

"[T]he decision of the Obama Administration is clear," concludes Dr. Mohler. "The edict from President Obama to religious institutions is this — violate conscience and bend the knee to the government, or face the consequences."

Everyone has to choose: The president and the power of the state or the Roman Catholic Church and the right of all faiths to be free in the exercise of their beliefs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: baptist; catholic; hhs; obama

1 posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:39 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It’s all about laying the ground-work for socialism.

For socialism to be imposed, enemies must be neutralized.

The enemies of socialism are always those institutions that allow the people to help themselves. Government must be the fount of all good, and religion in general, and churches in particular, must be eliminated as a social force for good.

Wal Mart has been attacked for much the same reason, they do too much good for the poor, thus they are villified.

Health-care must be the province of government, the private sector simply cannot be the hero here.

Eliminating the charitable deduction is the first step to eradicating charities, and other institutions that compete with government to deliver benefits to the people.

If we are able to help ourselves then we don’t need government do we?


2 posted on 02/09/2012 5:03:33 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Kaslin
Everyone has to choose: The president and the power of the state or the Roman Catholic Church and the right of all faiths to be free in the exercise of their beliefs.

I hope the sheeple are paying attention. This is a huge over-reach by Obama and company, and overtly obviously unConstitutional. If this doesn't wake people up I don't know what will.

3 posted on 02/09/2012 5:05:31 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Kaslin
IMO, even if zero backed this out of obamacare this year, he could put it back in next year, if he is reelected. Just sayin.
4 posted on 02/09/2012 5:08:14 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: Kaslin

I understand Adolf Hitler used the fact that he was born a Catholic? to beguile the German people into he was a Christian when in fact he was more pagan or satanic. I believe the same can be said of Barak Hussein Obama II /Barry Soetoro—whoever /whatever it is.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 5:09:18 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Kaslin

Just why WOULDN’T this be a shock to the administration?

I can’t imagine a more Godless bunch than Barry’s Boys—can you?


6 posted on 02/09/2012 5:10:37 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL VOTING. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: Kaslin

Just why WOULDN’T this be a shock to the administration?

I can’t imagine a more Godless bunch than Barry’s Boys—can you?


7 posted on 02/09/2012 5:10:47 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL VOTING. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: StonyBurk

Mohammad Soebarkah, thank you.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 5:12:17 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Kaslin

The Church, and by that I mean both Evangelical and Catholic, has rolled over for every other coercive government entitlement, so the commiecrats were probably a little surprised that they would bristle at this one.

It’s just a tempest in a teapot, though.

Most “christians” don’t care about it and will vote for the Obama0 anyway, because, after all, the “social good” done by coercive government entitlement surpasses the evil of collectivism.

Not only that, but the church continued to give communion to the unrepentant drunk, adulterer, polygamist, and murderer Ted Kennedy. And they continue to administer communion to all the hi-visibility, rabid pro-abortionist “catholic” politicians, basically all those in the DemonRAT party.

The 0bamunists know that and are counting on it.

They’re probably correct.

It won’t really hurt them in the long run.

If “The Church”, Catholic and Evangelical, really wants to put the rubber on the road, they would excommunicate any and all democrats in their congregations, since the democrat party vigorously promotes and espouses anti-life, anti-Christ, and anti-Church policies.

But that will never happen.

The church is too weak and too anemic to really stand for anything anymore.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 5:14:04 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kaslin

Very bad move because the uproar will now afford moral support to INDIVIDUALS, such as small business owners, who also are being forced to choose between violate their faith by paying for their employees’ contraception, sterilization and abortion. Of course it will be great if institutions win this issue, but what about our individual religious freedom? We need to include that as part of this fight.

Of course the easy way is to kill 0bamacare.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 5:14:36 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Flintlock

-——I can’t imagine a more Godless bunch than Barry’s Boys—can you?——

Of course I can. That would be The Messiah’s girls. The Wookie, Hillary, Kathleen

One can only wonder if they will gather at the foot of his cross and cry


11 posted on 02/09/2012 5:19:35 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kaslin

They didn’t just unite Catholics. They have united everyone from every religion who believes in the sanctity of life, and beyond that, they have united Constitution loving Americans of every stripe who believe that the First Amendment is NOT to be tampered with in any way, shape, or form by any government EVER.
The free exercise of religion is the REASON so many people came to these shores.
You don’t mess with that. You just don’t.
Rebellion is brewing.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 5:21:53 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin
The "Morning-after" pill is not contraception, by definition. It is an abortifacient, as the baby has already been conceived. The news media's insistence on focusing only on contraception is calculated. Abortions will also be forced to be funded through this abortion pill.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 5:22:10 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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14 posted on 02/09/2012 5:28:16 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is simply against any religion or religious institution that does not conform to his rather peculiar Islamofascist viewpoint.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 5:28:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

baraq is pulling his mask of to show his true muslim self.

Interesting that he is doing this before the election while running for a second term. He is acting like the election is already in the bag.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 5:35:25 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Kaslin
I PRAY that the anti-Catholic labels STICKS finally!!! How can one be a DEVOUT CATHOLIC and a DEMOCRAT??? Democratic main PLANK is ABORTION and second it is GAY SEX!!!

Hey DJ, EXAMINE your CONSCIENCE.

17 posted on 02/09/2012 5:37:05 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: All

I talked to a “cradle Catholic” yesterday. He loves the democrat party more than he loves the Church. He said, “I don’t care much about that birth control stuff.” My thought was, if you don’t care about that birth control stuff personally, you still ought to care about the Church and its teachings.


18 posted on 02/09/2012 5:38:00 AM PST by Valentine Michael Smith (This world and at least one more.)
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To: Kaslin
Does anyone think it would stop at this? I remember years ago (well, decades -- back in the 70s I think, the days of The Population Bomb if I recall the title right), someone on the left was proposing universal birth control, in the water supply if they could find way, with the antidote available only by license from the gov't.

If there's anything we've seen, the Left has patience -- they seem to have taken a bigger step in incrementalism than usual this time.

19 posted on 02/09/2012 5:41:36 AM PST by maryz
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To: Ann Archy

DJ does not know how to do such an examination, and he also thinks that such exercises are only for other people (e.g. conservatives).

The only standards that matter to DJ is the democrat party platform and DNC talking points. They are his catechism.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 5:45:21 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Kaslin

This mandate is unconstitutional and can NOT be enforced.

Let’s evaluate Satan’s commitment to Separation of Church and State.


21 posted on 02/09/2012 5:46:04 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Kaslin

From the Catholic Catechism, regarding Revelations:

675 - Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 5:48:20 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: maryz

No, this step is not big at all and it’s simply the next baby step of “progress”. It’s simply the point at which the frogs have begun to notice that the water is too hot.


23 posted on 02/09/2012 5:50:01 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Valentine Michael Smith

I am related to at least one. The party means more to him than the Church.

Not sure this will unite Christians, but it will separate the wheat from the Chaff.
Those Christians who do not unite against this are mere murderers, as bad as the abortionists themselves.

This is what Obamacare has brought us so far and we arent even in to it good yet. The whole thing has to go.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 5:50:47 AM PST by Venturer
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25 posted on 02/09/2012 6:10:50 AM PST by narses
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To: Kaslin
The Catholic Church's position on ObamaCare has essentially been "screw them, as long as we get off and get the cash". What I mean, is that the Bishops and Catholic Church were willing to make a deal with Obama, that they would be exempt from regulations everyone else would be subject to. The Church's organizations would still get the government cash to run it's welfare programs.

You'd think the Catholic Church would be at the head of list of those who know that when you make a deal with the devil, you ain't gonna come out ahead.

To the American Bishops, 'welcome to the battle, better late than never'. I hope you learn something from this.

26 posted on 02/09/2012 6:13:36 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Kaslin
This administration has simply told every single American that you can either have religious convictions OR you can own a business; you can NOT do both!

Mister "I am all about jobs" Obama is showing his stripes and is continuing to KILL jobs! The worse thing is that the MSM are not covering this angle and therefore most people won't even notice it!

I hate to sound like a nut-job, but really, tell me how this is not like early 1930's Germany?
27 posted on 02/09/2012 6:27:33 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Elvina

that’s right. all I heard on Fox radio news was “contraception’ but I have become used to FRN lying and spinning for the left.


28 posted on 02/09/2012 6:31:20 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: Kaslin

God’s Holy Church has faced many tyrants in the past...Nero,Attila,Henry VIII,Robespierre,Hitler..they’re all gone and we’re still here


29 posted on 02/09/2012 6:33:54 AM PST by Paddyboy
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To: Kaslin

-—neither the president nor his political team recognized the enormity of the mistake they were making——

Really? Are you bleeping kidding me?

The guy’s a Marxist. Sheesh.


30 posted on 02/09/2012 6:35:05 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Venturer

-—Not sure this will unite Christians, but it will separate the wheat from the Chaff.

Those Christians who do not unite against this are mere murderers, as bad as the abortionists themselves.——

That’s my feeling.

Although, it seems that Odumbo has antagonized some RINOs, who seem to have taken the attitude, “I can punch my brother, but you can’t.”


31 posted on 02/09/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: squarebarb

Fox News on TV is becoming just as bad. They use the “HHS Contraception” mandate language. They also spread the misleading “abortion is only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services” lie when covering the Komen debacle. I am using the term “HHS Abortifacient mandate” when discussing this issue in the social networking world. The Left wants to make it sound like we want the government to go crashing through homes and confiscating ladies’ birth control pills. No, we just don’t want babies killed, and we don’t want the state to force people to violate their Conscience.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: duckman
IMO, even if zero backed this out of obamacare this year, he could will absolutely beyond the shadow of a doubt put it back in next year, if he is reelected because he has not fear of losing anther election and the Repubics are to stupid and scared to stop him. Just sayin.

Fixed it for you

33 posted on 02/09/2012 6:51:23 AM PST by verga (Protestant puppies have their eyes closed, Catholic ones have their eyes open.)
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To: Kaslin

Actually, while the Obama policy is evil and must be resisted and overturned, the article is a bit overwrought.

The Latin church will not need to close any institutions, just stop offering health insurance to their employees.

And possibly not even that: why not find or start insurance companies in all 50 states that will offer policies legal under those state’s laws, but which violate the Federal mandate? Let HHS have the burden of suing to take away folks’ health insurance to enforce their unconstitutional regulation. Or, cancel all employee health insurance and offer medical care to employees of church-run institutions at church-run hospitals within the bounds of church teaching.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 7:35:59 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: verga

Thanx. Could not have said it better.


35 posted on 02/09/2012 7:37:10 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: Elvina

“HHS abortifacient mandate” is a better description: it captures the Orthodox objection as well as the Latin.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 8:06:39 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: maryz
If there's anything we've seen, the Left has patience --

Indeed they have. They have been pushing on this since the days of Margaret Sanger and TEDDY Roosevelt. Now they see their chance and are taking it come Hell or the high water of the Baptismal Font.

37 posted on 02/09/2012 8:20:28 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Valentine Michael Smith

Remind that “cradle Catholic” that eternity is forever.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 4:44:34 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Kaslin
you can thank Ted Kennedy for delivering the Catholic vote to get his warped attempt to assuage his guilty conscience done.

or so I would guess.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions in sinful minds.

39 posted on 02/09/2012 5:05:27 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty)
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To: The_Reader_David
It is my understanding (from a discussion I was watching tonight) that if an institution (like a Catholic Hospital) stops offering their employees health insurance, they will then have to pay huge and escalating fines every year which the government will call "taxes", something they will not be able to afford, so they will have to divest the Church of that hospital, so it will no longer be a Catholic hospital.

They also concluded in that discussion (on a Catholic network) that that is exactly what B.O. wants them to do.
40 posted on 02/09/2012 7:39:59 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too hard for me?" Jeremiah 32:27)
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To: The_Reader_David

They won’t be able to refuse to offer health insurance. And for every day they do not provide this, they will be fined some huge amount of money.

The Church is subject to this law because Catholic educational and charitable activities serve not only Catholics, but anyone who needs their services. A group like the Amish who restrict all of their activities to other Amish wouldn’t be subject to it, but there is no way that the Church can possibly (or should) restrict its services only to Catholics.

The whole point of this is to destroy the public charitable activities of the Church and to drive the Church out of the public square altogether, because it is the one obstacle to the religion of the State.


41 posted on 02/10/2012 2:43:03 AM PST by livius
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To: Jabba the Nutt

This does not affect only programs that accept government funding, and in fact a lot of Church charitable activities are purely privately funded.

This affects the Church simply as an employer, the way it will affect all employers eventually. You might want to review the facts. It has nothing to do with government funding.


42 posted on 02/10/2012 2:46:51 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Isn't SCOTUS hearing the case on Obamacare right now

Usully they finish their cases before the end of the summer.

Let's hope they toss out the entire law as unconstitutional.

43 posted on 02/10/2012 3:59:32 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: mware

That would be a great solution!


44 posted on 02/10/2012 5:22:46 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Re-read my post. When you take the devil’s money, he’s going to extract his due. If you don’t believe that, you’re naive.


45 posted on 02/11/2012 2:34:18 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Huh? I re-read your post and it still didn’t make sense in this context.

This had nothing to with money, government payments, subsidies or anything else. This is an involuntary program that forces EVERY employer who deals with the public to provide these services.

In other words, if the Church provided its charitable and educational services only to Catholics, it could be exempted. But it doesn’t and it never has, because Our Lord told us that our neighbor was not the person in our group but the person nearest us who needed help. Money is not a consideration and you’re missing the whole point.


46 posted on 02/11/2012 3:04:54 PM PST by livius
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