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911 IS A JOKE: Detroit citizens no longer rely on police as self-defense killings skyrocket (MI)
informationliberation.com ^ | 7 February, 2012 | MARA GAY

Posted on 02/09/2012 9:27:00 AM PST by marktwain

The people of Detroit are taking no prisoners.

Justifiable homicide in the city shot up 79 percent in 2011 from the previous year, as citizens in the long-suffering city armed themselves and took matters into their own hands. The local rate of self-defense killings now stands 2,200 percent above the national average. Residents, unable to rely on a dwindling police force to keep them safe, are fighting back against the criminal scourge on their own. And they’re offering no apologies.

“We got to have a little Old West up here in Detroit. That’s what it’s gonna take,” Detroit resident Julia Brown told The Daily.

The last time Brown, 73, called the Detroit police, they didn’t show up until the next day. So she applied for a permit to carry a handgun and says she’s prepared to use it against the young thugs who have taken over her neighborhood, burglarizing entire blocks, opening fire at will and terrorizing the elderly with impunity.

“I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.”

How it got this bad in Detroit has become a point of national discussion. Violent crime settled into the city’s bones decades ago, but recently, as the numbers of police officers have plummeted and police response times have remained distressingly high, citizens have taken to dealing with things themselves.

In this city of about 700,000 people, the number of cops has steadily fallen, from about 5,000 a decade ago to fewer than 3,000 today. Detroit homicides — the second-highest per capita in the country last year, according to the FBI — rose by 10 percent in 2011 to 344 people.

On a bleak day in January, a group of funeral directors wearied by the violence drove a motorcade of hearses through the city streets in protest.

Average police response time for priority calls in the city, according to the latest data available, is 24 minutes. In comparable cities across the country, it is well under 10 minutes.

Citizens like Brown feel they have been left with little choice but to take the law into their own hands.

The number of justifiable homicides, in which residents use deadly force in self-defense, jumped from 19 in 2010 to 34 last year — a 79 percent rise — according to newly released city data.

Signs that vigilantism was taking hold in the city came earlier, around Memorial Day 2009, when former federal agent Alvin Davis decided he’d had enough of the break-ins at his mother’s home on the east side. She called the police again and again, but the brazen robberies continued. Davis, then a 32-year-old Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer, snapped.

Prosecutors said he spent days chasing and harassing the teenagers who were allegedly robbing his mother, even shoving his federally issued firearm into one of their mouths. No one was killed, but by the time he was done, Davis had racked up charges of unlawful imprisonment and assault. In August 2010, he was convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.

But many residents in his mother’s Jefferson-Chalmers neighborhood are sympathetic to Davis, whose case is on appeal.

“He basically did what a lot of us wished we could do,” said Ken Gray, 58, who lives down the street from Davis’ mother.

One high-ranking official in the county legal system, speaking to The Daily, said the rise in justifiable homicides mirrors a local court system that’s increasingly lenient of the practice.

“It’s a lot more acceptable now to get your own retribution,” the official said. “And the justice system in the city is a lot more understanding if people do that. It‘s becoming a part of the culture.”

Detroiters are arming themselves with shotguns and handguns and buying guard dogs. Anything to take care of their own. And privately, residents say neighborhood watch groups in Detroit are widely armed.

“It’s like the militiamen who stepped up way back when. That’s where the neighborhood folks are," said James “Jackrabbit” Jackson, a 63-year-old retired Detroit cop who has patrolled the Jefferson-Chalmers neighborhood for years.

“They’re ready to fight,” Jackson said. “We don’t hardly see police anymore.”

The city’s wealthier enclaves have hired private security firms. Intimidating men in armored trucks patrol streets lined with gracious old homes in a scene more likely seen in Mexico City than the United States.

That kind of paid protection can run residents anywhere from $10 to $200 per month, and companies say business is good.

“We’re booming,” said Dale Brown, the owner of Threat Management Group, which along with Recon Security patrols neighborhoods like Palmer Woods in black Hummers.

“We’re paramilitary, but we’re positive. I’m not a vigilante. I’m an agent of change.”

The Detroit Police Department, grappling with deep funding cuts in a city with a spiraling budget crisis, acknowledges that response times are high and says it is working on a plan to lower them. But a spokeswoman for the department insists the rise in justifiable homicides is unrelated.

“It’s not about police response time because often the act has already taken place by the time the police are called,” said Sgt. Eren Stephens. She said citizens have a right to defend themselves.

“Anytime a life is lost, we’re concerned,” she said. “But we can‘t be on every corner in front of every home. And we know that there are citizens who will do what they have to do to protect themselves.”

That’s the terrifying position in which Kevin Early found himself in November when he was held up at gunpoint outside his home in the upper-middle-class Rosedale Park area. Neighbors called the police, but it was 25 minutes before an officer arrived.

Early, the director of the criminal justice studies program at the University of Michigan’s Dearborn campus, reasoned with the men for more than 20 minutes before he sensed they were about to shoot him in the head — then he ran. As his attackers fled in the opposite direction, neighbors emerged from the street’s stately homes with shotguns.

“All I could think of was my daughter coming home,” Early said. “I didn’t want her to see me shot dead.”

Weeks later, Early packed up his home and left Detroit. He hired Threat Management to supervise the move.

“Where else do the police come to your house after you’ve been robbed and ask you, ‘Why did you call us?’ ”

Mara.Gay@thedaily.com


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1 posted on 02/09/2012 9:27:09 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Its a good news story out of Detroit and it should be posted.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 9:30:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Would it be safe to say these people are protecting themselves from a certain ethnic population that is causing 90% of the problem?

The same ethnic population that is responsible for the bulk of the non self defense shootings?

Or would that be racist?


3 posted on 02/09/2012 9:32:35 AM PST by Venturer
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To: marktwain

there was a documentary made about it in the 80s, I think it was called “Robocop” or something similar.


4 posted on 02/09/2012 9:33:59 AM PST by Jeff Vader
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To: Venturer

Ye shall know the truth, and speak the truth, and the liberals will hate you for it.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 9:34:57 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: marktwain

“How it got this bad in Detroit has become a point of national discussion”

It voted democrat, that’s how.


6 posted on 02/09/2012 9:36:26 AM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: marktwain

Detroit, violence...that DOES sound familiar. Did ya catch little Jeffy Rossen’s hit piece on guns on TOADY this morning? Probably not.


7 posted on 02/09/2012 9:37:51 AM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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The Halftime in America Show turned out to be a Western...


8 posted on 02/09/2012 9:39:04 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Jeff Vader; Impy; Perdogg; Clintonfatigued
That's hilarious!!! “RoboCop” predicted the future.

Roger & Me (1989), the only thing Michael Moore made that's watchable IMO, showed Michigan circling the toilet 20+ years ago too.

9 posted on 02/09/2012 9:41:29 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: cripplecreek
Its a good news story out of Detroit

But a sad story for the citizens of Detroit.
For every person there who owns a weapon and knows how to use it, how many are unarmed and helpless?

All the while (apparently) the police force is dwindling, I bet the freebie city givaways and welfare are in full swing, and fully funded...

10 posted on 02/09/2012 9:42:46 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: marktwain
Detroit homicides — the second-highest per capita in the country last year, according to the FBI — rose by 10 percent in 2011 to 344 people. . . .

The number of justifiable homicides, in which residents use deadly force in self-defense, jumped from 19 in 2010 to 34 last year — a 79 percent rise — according to newly released city data.

That makes about 10 murders for every act of self-defense. I'd be more worried about the murderers than about the people who defend themselves. But not the libs.

11 posted on 02/09/2012 9:43:02 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marktwain
On a bleak day in January, a group of funeral directors wearied by the violence drove a motorcade of hearses through the city streets in protest.

Exactly which violence were they protesting?
Or were they protesting that the thugs don't pay for their funerals like the good people do?

12 posted on 02/09/2012 9:44:06 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: marktwain

What is that quote I’ve seen several times on FR?

“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away”

then there is the Detroit version....

“When seconds count, forget 911! Get the .45!”


13 posted on 02/09/2012 9:44:32 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marktwain

Detroit is one economic calamity from completely joining the third world.


14 posted on 02/09/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Jeff Vader

Didn’t they make some of that in Dallas?

Apparently even back then Detroit was too awful to make a movie in


15 posted on 02/09/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marktwain

This is a step back from civilization.

Revenge is a powerful force. Unchecked you have tribalism and barbaric societies.

Governments make a social compact with their citizens. You forgo revenge and we will catch and punish those that commit offenses against you.

This works when the local police and courts are allowed to do what it takes to bring criminals to justice.

Liberals in their concern for the rights of criminals have thrown sand into the slow wheels of justice. It is just as likely a known guilty person will either not be caught or if caught not punished.

Vigilantism occurs when the local authorities either can not or will not punish wrong doers.

Liberals do not help the situation when they do all in their power to keep citizens from being able to protect themselves (from strict gun laws to going after anyone that might resist criminals).

This situation is not going to change until liberalism has truly been tossed into the dust bin of history.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 9:48:25 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem it has a spending problem)
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To: marktwain

Next they to start vigilance committees. And maybe hire some “private” cops.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 9:49:03 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cicero

At least the people of Detroit can point to Venezuela and say “thank God we don’t live in Caracas”. Socialist Venezuela now has highest murder rate on Earth and 90% of them go unsolved.


18 posted on 02/09/2012 9:49:37 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
The best crime deterrent in Detroit.

It helps to understand the police are only janitors....there to write the report....after a crime is committed...........how often do they *prevent* a crime?

19 posted on 02/09/2012 9:49:48 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: marktwain

“I have five dollars for each of you.”


20 posted on 02/09/2012 9:50:38 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: junta
Detroit is one economic calamity from completely joining the third world.

Cut off the funds to Chicago and watch what happens. Detroit doesn't have anywhere near the debt that many large cities have.
21 posted on 02/09/2012 9:51:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: grobdriver

Government should be giving guns away!

:p


22 posted on 02/09/2012 9:51:43 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Venturer

Odds are, that same ethnic population is doing the self defense shooting too. Detroit is 82.7% black.


23 posted on 02/09/2012 9:57:25 AM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (Don't let the GOP-E hijack Congress too. Pound the pavement for your local conservative rep today!)
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To: Little Ray

The private security business is booming in Detroit. Recon Security’s Threat Management is a private security company that is growing in Detroit.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/bill_gallagher/security-patrolling-palmer-woods-looks-like-paramilitary-force-20110606-wpms


24 posted on 02/09/2012 10:00:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: GeronL

the average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second


25 posted on 02/09/2012 10:02:27 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Daffynition
Very true
26 posted on 02/09/2012 10:03:16 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Go back and watch the very beginning of the movie, “Beverly Hills Cop,” and you’ll see how thrashed and trashed Detroit was back in the ‘80s.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 10:03:45 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain
“I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.”

Unfortunately she's probably going to be facing a first-degree murder rap if she ever is forced to defend herself against a violent attacker. Too bad someone didn't warn her before she shot off her mouth.

28 posted on 02/09/2012 10:07:46 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

OMG!!! I forgot about “Beverly Hills Cop”. That was ~30 years ago, and you’re 100%, Detroit was a dump back then.

Good call!


29 posted on 02/09/2012 10:08:40 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: marktwain

Dial 911 and die.
Dial 1911 and live!


30 posted on 02/09/2012 10:09:00 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

That is tagline material right there!


31 posted on 02/09/2012 10:10:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: marktwain
I’m not a vigilante. I’m an agent of change.”

OH Man! I gotta remember that one!

32 posted on 02/09/2012 10:10:29 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("To keep you is no benefit; to kill you is no loss.")
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To: cripplecreek
Recon Security Threat Management Division DECA program

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33 posted on 02/09/2012 10:13:38 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Daffynition

Is that custom-made? Or is there a manufacturer for that holster?


34 posted on 02/09/2012 10:14:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Venturer
Would it be safe to say these people are protecting themselves from a certain ethnic population that is causing 90% of the problem?

In a city that is 85% Black, 10% White and 5% Other, it would be difficult to know which race you would be writing about.

35 posted on 02/09/2012 10:18:13 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

“Odds are, that same ethnic population is doing the self defense shooting too. Detroit is 82.7% black.”

Well said and quite accurate. It’s going to be open season on thugs all over the country before long. I knew there would be hell to pay for thugs and their white lib sponsors when law-abiding black people started to realize they do have the right, and the means, to defend themselves.

This has taken so long because of the indoctrination given by lib run schools and quack leaders like Jesse Jackson. To this day, Jackson campaigns tirelessly to keep law-abiding people in Chicago from acquiring firearms.

My security guard friend works in a housing complex that is 87% black. Many of the people there are elderly and retired. Others work hard to support their families. Some are disabled. He says people are always asking him what it would take to get a “permit” to own a gun. They are amazed when he tells them there is no need for such a permit here in Texas, unless you want to carry the firearm concealed. They find it hard to believe that all you have to do is go to the store, fill out a simple form and put down some money. Nobody has shot a thug there yet, but there are more guns in the complex than there used go be, and thugs are getting a little scarce. I don’t think this is coincidence.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 10:19:46 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Venturer

It’s decent people protecting themselves from selfish violent people.

Don’t see color in this. Evil masks itself in your own skin pigment too.

We shouldn’t depend on police (fellow) humans to take on all fearful duties, we’re the armed citizenry that defends our country afterall. We’ve just demurred for too long now and that’s let the whole society down.


37 posted on 02/09/2012 10:21:55 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: CIB-173RDABN

“This is a step back from civilization.”

“Revenge is a powerful force. Unchecked you have tribalism and barbaric societies.”

This is not revenge, this is self-defense. The avoidance of revenge (blood feuds), is why courts were created.

Importantly, concepts like equality before the law, trial by a jury of peers, a disinterested judge, impartial prosecution and advocacy, were not invented by the “civilized” Romans, whose law had none of that, but by the “barbarian” Germanic tribes.

The descent of Roman law, through Napoleonic law, is today’s French Civil Code; which is head over heels different from our Common law based system, that began with the Germanic tribes.

Police, as such, are a very recent innovation, and exist only as a convenience. The authority to enforce the law remains with the citizen, and as needed, the enforcement of the law is demanded by every adult person.

And the individual possession of arms is essential to this social contract.

Since Detroit can no longer afford an effective convenience of police, the authority is again that of the citizenry, and note, I did not say “reverts to”.

And while the police are obliged to attempt to afford the arrest of violent criminals, the citizenry, in self defense, are under no such obligation.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 10:22:27 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

Watch Jesse Jackass declare a crisis now and land in Detroit, amid the usual fawning by local officials, so he can demand stricter gun control laws to protect the “oppressed” (thugs) of Detroit from “vigilantes” (law abiding citizens). His thug loving white sponsors and Hollywood scumbag supporters will demand it from him.


39 posted on 02/09/2012 10:32:51 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
It’s decent people protecting themselves from selfish violent people.

Exactly. This is a good news story and instead of beating up on Detroit, we should be encouraging more of it. While we're at it we should be honest in admitting that there are plenty of neighborhoods just as bad in cities across the country.
40 posted on 02/09/2012 10:33:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

2nd Amendment supporters should make a series of “Mayhem” ads concerning self defense.

Like the Allstate Mayhem Ads.

“I’m a robber, and I have been casing your house all week long. Based off your Anti-Gun Bumper stickers and the City laws that prohibit you from owning a gun I am feeling really good about my heist tonight.”

[breaks into house]

“Even if you call 911 the cops are minutes away, which give me enough time to take all your valuables”

[Homeowner wakes up lights turn on]

Home owner: “Hey what are you doing?”

[Punching, Knifing and Gun Sounds]

“And even if you try to stop me I will always have the upper hand or knife or gun, because I am a Criminal and I don’t care if the Law tells me not to carry a weapon of my own]

[Outside with Bag Loot and Ambulance outside house with covered stretcher taken from house]

“So get your own gun for self defense, or be defenseless from criminal mayhem, like me”

[Mayhem laughs as he walk away]


41 posted on 02/09/2012 10:35:37 AM PST by GraceG
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To: marktwain

“Prosecutors said he spent days chasing and harassing the teenagers who were allegedly robbing his mother, even shoving his federally issued firearm into one of their mouths. No one was killed, but by the time he was done, Davis had racked up charges of unlawful imprisonment and assault. In August 2010, he was convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.”

Will Obama stand up for a “brother” and pardon this man? Fat chance. The big 0 is far too indebted to race hucksters and white liberals to do the right thing for anyone.


42 posted on 02/09/2012 10:44:18 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: grobdriver

Sadly, the citizens of Detroit have no one to blame for their circumstances but themselves. They are the people who voted corrupt Democratic politicians and labor union THUGS into power and kept them there for decades. This is the natural outcome of their choices. As for 911; all it is good for is to inform the police where to send the meat wagons to pick up the dead.


43 posted on 02/09/2012 10:44:34 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Jesse Jackoff, his white scum thug-loving sponsors and Hollywood sh!tbag supporters should be put against a wall, and SHOT.


44 posted on 02/09/2012 10:50:38 AM PST by Levante
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To: marktwain

It often seems that police are put on the streets to make it appear that things are under control, but that the real reason is to provide someone with a government job. What happened in New Orleans after Katrina provides a stark reminder of just how thin the long blue line is: cops in New Orleans abandoned their posts and joined the looters when things got out of hand. Better to have a gun and defend yourself.

“When seconds count, the cops are just minutes/hours/days away.”


45 posted on 02/09/2012 11:11:13 AM PST by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: Daffynition

I really like XDs.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 11:19:13 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: marktwain
“I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.”

Hey, don't sell yourself short, granny! Put in some time at the range (or in an alley - doubt anyone would bat an eye in Detroit anyway) for some target practice, and see if you can take 3 or 4 of them out when/if you get the opportunity.

47 posted on 02/09/2012 11:21:26 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: marktwain

This is good.

It’s win-win-win.

Individuals take responsibility for their well being, perpetrators get hurt, sometimes permanently,
and hopefully citizens can realize some savings on overpaid, over-pensioned, over unionized police.

If this can work in Detroit, it will work better just about anywhere else.

How it works in most places now is the justice system pretends to punish, criminals pretend to be rehabilitated, and government employees and thugs get innocent peoples money by the bucketful.


48 posted on 02/09/2012 11:24:23 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Great link...and a well-stated fact of life.

How come LIEberals don’t know this? ///rhetorical :)


49 posted on 02/09/2012 11:34:48 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: 1rudeboy

My pistol coach sent me that image last week, and I don’t really know an answer...it was meant more to show me his new Springfield Armory XD. :)

It’s very cool! I’d love to have one!


50 posted on 02/09/2012 11:40:33 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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