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Evangelical Leader: Jail Over Obamacare Mandate
OrthodoxNet (via LifeSiteNews) ^ | 2/9/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 02/09/2012 9:45:57 AM PST by ezfindit

One of the most influential evangelical leaders in the United States says Christians should go to jail rather than comply with the Obama administration’s mandate to provide all contraception, including abortion-inducing drugs, in their health care plans.

Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), told LifeSiteNews.com “we will not comply” with the Dept. of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring religious institutions to cover abortifacient products such as Plan B, Ella, and the IUD.

“We want the law changed, or else we’re going to write our letters from the Nashville jail, just like Dr. King wrote his from the Birmingham jail,” Dr. Land said.

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1 posted on 02/09/2012 9:46:05 AM PST by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

Why do these stories always say ‘one of the most influential evangelical leaders’ and you’ve never heard of the guy?


2 posted on 02/09/2012 9:48:54 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: ezfindit
Rick Warren said something similar.

They know this is a radical secular campaign against religious institutions and belief, not just Catholicism.

3 posted on 02/09/2012 9:50:31 AM PST by RygelXVI
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To: ezfindit

And why is it again, that the Muslims get waivers?


4 posted on 02/09/2012 9:52:13 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: ezfindit

Nice going, but I’m reminded of the cartoon where an army of medieval soldiers is storming a castle. One of them takes another aside and says, “Hey, you knew about the boiling oil when you signed up!”


5 posted on 02/09/2012 9:53:16 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ezfindit

This same Richard Land sees nothing wrong with RomneyCare...


6 posted on 02/09/2012 9:54:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Thiz hearr Cracker aint gonna vote for Willie Boy)
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To: RygelXVI

The Catholic Church is just an easy target for them because it stands out and is one of the largest congregations. They hope that they can break the Catholic Church and use it as an example to intimidate everyone else.


7 posted on 02/09/2012 9:56:26 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: ReneeLynn
Why do these stories always say ‘one of the most influential evangelical leaders’ and you’ve never heard of the guy?

Probably because you aren't in their flock or watch their TV program or get their newsletter. Evangelicals are highly decentralized. I doubt non-Catholics (or most Catholics!) could name 1 US Cardinal - or even their local bishop. Heck, I have a hard time remembering who's a cardinal these days.

I've only heard of Land because he opines on politics from time to time.

8 posted on 02/09/2012 9:56:26 AM PST by RygelXVI
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To: ReneeLynn

Story did say that “Dr. Richard Land is the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC)” that’s pretty darn influential given how large the Southern Baptist Convention is.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 9:57:30 AM PST by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: RygelXVI
Rick Warren said something similar.

I thought Warren was Obama's BFF. Another sucker.

10 posted on 02/09/2012 9:59:47 AM PST by C19fan
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To: RygelXVI

if the socialists and their leader gets away with abortions and contraceptions then it will be telling religious institutions that they have to accept female homosexuals especially to the Catholic church .

You know typing that I just thought, who the hell does this man and his sidekicks think they are.
The GOP instead of giving boring emotionless house speeches on the floor they need to start fighting for once in their cowardly miserable lives.

Also the MSM,especially the MSM the left, the socialists, the GOP and all of us know that we have freedom of religion in the constitution and after seeing how the 9th court again manipulated and pissed on the constitution with their pathetic attempt of trying to rationalize their decision with their activism of the homosexual agenda then obama thinks he has the green light to just piss on the laws and overturn what ever he wants

This is B/S, first this week the decision from the 9th of prop 8, now this and then Boxer saying this was womens health. er condom lady maybe you and your socialists need to use it much more then you won’t have to kill the baby’s


11 posted on 02/09/2012 10:01:26 AM PST by manc (FOX, DRUDGE, HAS BEEN DISGUSTING IN THEIR BIASED ATTACKS V NEWT. I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

these religious leaders are always suckered, they got sucked in by obama for the health care law and now see what is in it and now don[’t like it.

Tie to wake up and every church needs to mention this to their flocks, send out AD’s etc

Next it will be telling churches to accept female homosexuals into the Catholic religion as Priests


12 posted on 02/09/2012 10:03:56 AM PST by manc (FOX, DRUDGE, HAS BEEN DISGUSTING IN THEIR BIASED ATTACKS V NEWT. I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: ezfindit

We keep focusing on the rights of “providers”, and it just illustrates how screwed up our health care system is.

Why are Catholic Hospitals a “provider” of health insurance for their workers?

Why isn’t the focus on the rights of the PEOPLE to choose their health insurance? Under Obamacare, I am forced to buy health insurance that includes the mandate to fully cover abortion pills. Since insurance is collecting a little money from everybody, to pay for those who file, my money is going to pay for abortion.

In a free market, I should be allowed to shop for a provider that doesn’t include things I find morally repugnant. But under Obamacare, every provider is required to include these pills — except, if we win this fight, certain PROVIDERS who have religious objections.

But these providers who will get exemptions are specific employers, and unless I work for them, I can’t buy the insurance they are “providing”.

Note that the word “provide” is a misnomer here. Normally the “insurance provider” would be the company that insures you, that pays out if you have a claim. In this case, it’s not “providers”, it’s 3rd-party payers. So a Catholic Charity is seeking an exemption from the law, so that when they are REQUIRED to be a 3rd-party payer for insurance for their workers, they can contract for insurance that doesn’t include abortion pills.

This means some provider will be allowed to make a special insurance package for these religious institutions. But not for me, if I want to buy an individual policy.

Of course, half the problem is the government giving tax breaks to EMPLOYERS and then forcing employers to buy insurance for their workers, rather than giving the tax breaks to individuals, and removing the employer mandate, allowing individuals to buy insurance directly instead.

If you combined a removal of employers from the equation (which should mean employers would then provide additional pay to workers equivalent to what was going into insurance), with an individual choice as to what kind of insurance they want, NOBODY would be forced to pay for insuring anything they didn’t like.

If I hate all abortion, I could find an insurance company that simply doesn’t cover abortions at all, in any kind, even though they are still “legal” for now. My money wouldn’t go for it.

If I think homosexuality is a crime against nature, I could find an insurance company that doesn’t offer same-sex partner benefits, and thus lower my cost of insurance slightly since same-sex partners engage in risky behavior that drives up their cost of health care, and can’t be made to pay more money for that risky behavior.

And nobody else would “suffer” for my choice. If another person didn’t like being in an insurance poll with religious folks, they could find a company offering atheist health policies. Maybe someone else wants insurance that doesn’t cover children at all, like the old folks communities.

All this would be ours, if we didn’t have employer-provided insurance, Obamacare, regulations, and a nanny state looking to “make our lives better”.

If we weren’t forced to buy insurance, nobody would have to debate over whether religious institutions had to pay for immoral treatment.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 10:04:22 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ezfindit

Well, the Obama administration is just as eager to martyr them as they are to be martyred.

They would feed them to the lions, but PETA won’t allow it.


14 posted on 02/09/2012 10:04:46 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: ReneeLynn

Dr. Land is a LEGIMATE influential leader. He works for the Southern Baptist Convention the largest protestant denomination in the USA.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 10:07:57 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Tennessee Nana
This same Richard Land sees nothing wrong with RomneyCare...

I think you have him mixed up with someone else. Land said that evangelicals detest Romneycare.

"Dr. Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist public policy agency in Washington, says Mormonism is not Romney’s biggest issue with his conservative constituency. For them, Land said, “It is ‘Romneycare’ because evangelicals are implacably opposed to ‘Obamacare.’ They loathe and detest it.”

16 posted on 02/09/2012 10:09:04 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: manc

Good thing is we’ve got Newt and Rick as candidates, both proven fighters on issues like these. Yet they’re trying to force feed us Mitt.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 10:10:23 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

In my opinion I think it’s pretty pathetic Boehner is out there begging for Obama to change this and only threatening to take Congressional action if he doesn’t. Regardless of what Obama does the Congress should be overturning this in law so no president can ever wield this power as a weapon at all.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 10:15:26 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: JediJones

Yes! It’s also helpful that ObaMao’s tyrannical mandates have shifted focus from the GOP candidates squabbles to the real threat of the leftists in the White House and in Washington. Hope this continues until November.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 10:21:44 AM PST by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: ezfindit
I blame the Vatican for this BS against the Catholic Church.

Liberal leaders who happen to be Democrat politicians should have been excommunicated years ago for their stance on abortion, etc.

Another thing to think about ... Is Obama's mandate against Christians a preface to accepting Sharia Law in the U.S.

e.g. couldn't the maggots say it's ok to stone a woman for premarital sex... beheading someone who disagrees with Muhammad's teaching.

21 posted on 02/09/2012 10:22:46 AM PST by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: JediJones

Boehner is a palooka. He is nothing more than a conditioned surrender monkey.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 10:23:44 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips; but watch their hands!)
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To: RygelXVI
Rick Warren? Better late than never I suppose, but how could he have supported Obama in the first place? I swear this whole country must have been under some sort of spell!And when the 0 relents will the "religious leaders" go right back to supporting him. A snake is always a snake but hopefully a fool needn't remain foolish when shown the truth.
23 posted on 02/09/2012 10:24:00 AM PST by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So let's say they get a waiver.

But, that still leaves Catholics/Christians stuck in a moral quandary with their employer's mandated insurance or even the government insurance exchanges.

Catholic Church can be pretty clever at times...what would happen if the Catholic Church were to offer its congregation health insurance of moral conscience? Someone posted a link to a Christian scheme, but I am not sure it holds up under the individual mandate?

But...there just might be a place for an Insurance of Conscience...

Would such a scheme then fall under the exemptions much like the Amish do?

24 posted on 02/09/2012 10:24:45 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: P-Marlowe; Tennessee Nana

THANKS! And that’s the truth.


25 posted on 02/09/2012 10:24:55 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: RygelXVI
Warren, the false teacher to millions jumped the shark when he gave "It's above my pay grade" a pass and gave his stamp of approval on Obamessiah the last election cycle. Now he is giving us this "Oh my gosh, what a bad guy Obamessiah is, who knew?" routine.

Warren is nothing but a charlatan wolf in sheep's clothing who will be giving his people the old "Obamessiah isn't so bad, it is ok to vote for him again" message come the election time.

26 posted on 02/09/2012 10:35:20 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: xtinct

It seems the pope should release at least a statement on this.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 10:36:28 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's official, Mitt can't win in either Dixie or the Midwest.)
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To: ezfindit
we’re going to write our letters from the Nashville jail,

More likely than jail is financial ruin via the tax laws. Death by a thousand cuts.

28 posted on 02/09/2012 10:40:08 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: ezfindit

Amen! Alleluia! Axios! to the honorable Baptists and their pro-life, God-pleasing allies. We need about a hundred million more like that!


29 posted on 02/09/2012 10:41:21 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: ReneeLynn; RygelXVI

Hey, I’m just a dim-witted Catholic and I’ve not only heard of, but loved and admired Richard Land for years. Proud to have him as an ally. And now I want to hear from Al Mohler!


30 posted on 02/09/2012 10:44:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: ezfindit

Amen! Alleluia! Axios! to the honorable Baptists and their pro-life, God-pleasing allies. We need about a hundred million more like that!


31 posted on 02/09/2012 10:45:25 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: All

doesn’t matter, Obama doesn’t care. They won’t vote for him anyway but if there is an exception granted, his supporters will let him hear it..


32 posted on 02/09/2012 10:49:16 AM PST by newnhdad (Soylent green is people..)
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To: jackv
My question also?

I did read the muslims consider this healthcare insurance a form of gambling, and it is a sin for a muslim to gamble. So obamma gave them an exemption. As a Christian I feel the same, that gambling is a sin, so why are Christians not exempted from this healthcare fiasco?

33 posted on 02/09/2012 10:52:53 AM PST by rawhide
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To: pepperdog
I swear this whole country must have been under some sort of spell

Yes - under the spirit of seduction and still is.

34 posted on 02/09/2012 10:58:40 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Psalm 144

> Liberal leaders who happen to be Democrat politicians
> should have been excommunicated years ago for their stance
> on abortion, etc.

EXACTLY!!!

And the SAME for any and all Evangelical organizations and congregations.

What is church discipline without discipline?


35 posted on 02/09/2012 11:09:51 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: newnhdad

To those who say that this will not matter in the election - don’t be so sure. Rejoice that some of God’s sheep may come home to the Good Sheperd over this.

In 2008 Catholics voted for Obama by 54% to 46% for McCain.
Compare that to 2004 when GWB got about 54% of the Catholic vote and John F Kerry got about 46% of this vote. bThat means that about 4% of the Catholic vote flipped from GOP to Democrat candidate in 2008. I think these are some of the independents - neither GOP or Democrats. With the economy in ruins, Obama bowing to Arab leaders, P-Bo disrespecting the Catholic bishops (in fact all religious people) in a blatent manner; the Democrats bullying the small remnant of Blue-dog, Pro-life Democrats, and by lying to them accomplished their defeat in 2010 and also passing Obamacare. Where’s the diversity in the Democratic party, huh? Pelosi accomplished not only Obamacare, but she cleansed the party of those few remaining pro-life, Democrats who had consciences. They were just getting in her way!!

These issues are not obscure, but out in front of everyone to see clearly! Of course there will be some idiots who will always vote Democrat - either because their politics trumps their faith - or because they are simply dimwitted. But I am feeling better about this 2012 election now than I did last week. The sh** has hit the fan, so to speak. They will never be able to put H-umpy-H-umty S-ibelius’s fiat back to respectability again with a straight face.

One more thing, it will be harder to continue the myth that Obama is such a nice guy. He’s a Marxist, and this entire episode was planned. He pondered the fallout over challenging the consciences of faithful Christian or that of challenging the hysterical feminists; he chose to side with the feminists, and to ignore the US Constitution. It’s as simple as that!


36 posted on 02/09/2012 11:12:55 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: ezfindit

Can opt out, as a conscious objector, this immoral Government?


37 posted on 02/09/2012 11:17:10 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: ezfindit
There is not a person on the face of this planet that I have more disdain for than Barack Hussein Obama. I will NEVER acknowledge him as President. He is a worthless pile of excrement who is systematically destroying our GREAT NATION!!
38 posted on 02/09/2012 11:17:47 AM PST by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: ezfindit
Lifesite News is back up and running with both this story and the EWTN lawsuit story.

May God be with all of us who name the Name of Jesus Christ. May we all be willing to follow His call......even if it means persecution.

And if Obama is reelected, that very well may be where we're headed.

39 posted on 02/09/2012 11:24:12 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Leep

Can I (and millions of folks?) opt out, as a conscious objector, this immoral Government?


40 posted on 02/09/2012 11:28:30 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Sybeck1
It seems the pope should release at least a statement on this.

No, Cardinal-elect Dolan and his fellow Bishops are taking care of business now. If it should happen that the SCOTUS somehow approves of this travesty or the Bishops start to fold, then you will see something from the Pope. You can bet that Benedict XVI is watching this closely.

41 posted on 02/09/2012 11:29:12 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Gumdrop
I am praying that this egregious act against Christians will indeed wake up millions of so-called believers who were somehow suckered into voting for a man who is, IMO, purely evil.

I agree that it will help, and am almost hoping that the Obama administration will keep fighting for this until the election is here to keep it front and center in the minds of the short-memoried American people.

42 posted on 02/09/2012 11:30:05 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Gumdrop
The sh** has hit the fan, so to speak. They will never be able to put H-umpy-H-umty S-ibelius’s fiat back to respectability again with a straight face.

I agree.

43 posted on 02/09/2012 11:33:12 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: ezfindit

“Dr. Land told LifeSiteNews he hopes Baptist ministers will “preach from the pulpit just how serious and dangerous this initiative by the Obama administration is,” and “encourage their parishioners to contact their congressmen and their senators and the president and let them know how deeply unhappy they are with this decision, and they want…legislation guaranteeing that it won’t happen again.””


44 posted on 02/09/2012 11:43:52 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The op-ed he co-authored came exactly one week after Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said evangelical Christians may be required to face imprisonment over the issue. Dr. Mohler said in his daily podcast, “You at least have to admire the courage of the Roman Catholic bishops in saying they are willing to go to jail rather than to comply with this. How many evangelical presidents and pastors and leaders would be willing to do the same?”


45 posted on 02/09/2012 11:46:59 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Leep

There is no opt-out clause in our Republic.

People either start to participate in self-governance or somebody else (the left) will do it for them. Participate or Perish.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 11:47:10 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: manc
Its easy to forget that the Catholic Church pounded the living crap out the Soviet Union and Communism. Its easy for catholics to forget how anti communist the Catholic church was.

I remember watching reruns of Bishop Fulton Sheen about 10 years ago. Just amazing. I would suspect Ronald Reagan watched him every night, and helped form his opinions on Communism. My parents told me that people from all walks of life tuned in to watch this show because the guy just made so much sense. Most of all, I remember on the reruns, he ripped communism a new a-hole.

This from Wikpedia on Fulton Sheen:

For 20 years he hosted the night-time radio program The Catholic Hour (1930–1950) before moving to television and presenting Life Is Worth Living (1951–1957). Sheen's final presenting role was on the syndicated The Fulton Sheen Program (1961–1968) with a format very similar to that of the earlier Life is Worth Living show. For this work, Sheen won an Emmy Award for Most Outstanding Television Personality.

To wrap it up... it was inevitable that the Catholic Church would knock heads with a Communist leader. Communist dictators such as Obama can not tolerate any other authority. It is a Totalitarian political system. They dictate everything.

47 posted on 02/09/2012 11:50:30 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: ohioWfan

Time for Christians to wake up to the fact that the left is not just a bunch of misguided “lost”.

They are actively anti-Christ.

They want us eliminated, however that has to happen.


48 posted on 02/09/2012 11:56:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: RygelXVI

It’s a good thing for Christians (and ALL others concerned about religious freedom) to be able to see this for what it really is - not just an attack on Catholics, but indeed an attack on the very foundation of our country’s existence; Freedom of Religion.


49 posted on 02/09/2012 12:13:14 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: MrB
Agree completely, MrB.

In fact, it's PAST time for Christians to wake up.

50 posted on 02/09/2012 12:16:04 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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