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Obama's war on the Catholic Church isn't just insensitive it's un-American
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | February 9th, 2012 | Tim Stanley

Posted on 02/09/2012 11:46:23 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

No Democratic president ever picked a fight with the Catholic Church in quite the way that Barack Obama has. One of the first things that Jimmy Carter did when he came into office was to scrap federal funding for abortions,... Even Bill Clinton – the “sex president” – supported some limits on partial birth abortion [snip]

Yet Obama’s attempt to force Catholic employees to provide contraception coverage in employee healthcare plans has united the entire Church establishment – Left and Right – against him. And this is the establishment that garlanded him with honours three years ago at Notre Dame University... Bishops, conservative and liberal, are now a single voice in their disgust with the administration’s move. The scale of Left-wing outrage is astonishing. Even the columnist EJ Dionne – the Polly Toynbee of American Catholics – complained that “progressive” Catholics who had put their reputations on the line to support Obamacare had been “thrown under the bus.”

Why is the Church so agitated, the liberal press asks? After all, the majority of Catholic women use some form of contraception... [snip]

The answer is that Obama’s diktat violates the American principle of freedom of conscience.

Imagine that you’ve been happily wearing a neck tie since the age of thirteen (imagine you are Mitt Romney). Then, one day, a government bureaucrat knocks on the door to tell you that it’s now the law of the land that you have to wear a neck tie, 24/7. The first reaction of any freedom loving, self-governing individual would be to tear the neck tie off (and maybe use it to throttle the bureaucrat).[snip]

And what is astonishing is the brute determination of Obama to get this one through. Barack Obama loves birth control. Freaking loves it. {snip]

...even basically full birth abortion.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; bhofascism; catholic; elections; govtabuse; nobama2012; obama; obamacare; obamamandate; obamatruthfile; prolife; socialisthealthcare; tyranny
Subtitle:

"Barack Obama has decided he doesn't need Catholic votes."

The whole article is a snorting good read from a conservative Brit, and deserves to be enjoyed (if that's the word) in its entirely.)

1 posted on 02/09/2012 11:46:29 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This mandate is unconstitutional and can NOT be enforced.

Let’s evaluate Satan’s commitment to Separation of Church and State.

This 1947 creation of the USSC has been used to throttle Religious opinion, and keep God from public view.

Let’s see how well the concept might be employed to keep the State from compelling Church to act against conscience and teaching.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 12:01:58 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

About 99% of the comments at the Telegraph site support Obama in this. Several made the comment that Catholic women who use contraception will probably vote for Obama.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 12:06:06 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Let's go back to go....Obamacare is unconstitutional.

The "this little part ain't right" going on right down is very clever...

THE WHOLE THING...Obamacare...HAS TO GO!!!!!

4 posted on 02/09/2012 12:07:24 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Mrs. Don-o

People forget that the bar has been lowered in the Obama administration. Integrity? Adherence to the Constitution? 4 million dollar vacations, separate planes for Michelle and the dog? Get the message? Obama doesn’t care one iota about anything but his Marxist protocols. We don’t know who this pretender in the White House is, do we? Elect this freakshow for another term and war will be on our shores. Obama is easily the worst presidente’ we’ve ever had, a true America hater. A vicious racist whose smirk gives away his innermost thoughts. You know this guy is rotten to the core when you see that “screw you” smirk on his face. Obama goes or the country goes, the choice is that simple.
Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 12:13:07 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: G Larry

well, 1st the Church, should give back the 501(c)3
EXEMPTIONS...that’s what gets them this kind of trouble
when they excepted them they give the govrnment
the green light to TELL them what to say and how to conduct
business! Don’t cha think?


6 posted on 02/09/2012 12:17:21 PM PST by mag (All men have feet of Clay....))
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To: G Larry

well, 1st the Church, should give back the 501(c)3
EXEMPTIONS...that’s what gets them this kind of trouble
when they excepted them they give the govrnment
the green light to TELL them what to say and how to conduct
business! Don’t cha think?


7 posted on 02/09/2012 12:19:55 PM PST by mag (All men have feet of Clay....))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

EWTN just announced today, they are sueing the Federal Government over this.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 12:22:06 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: mag
No!

What the heck makes you think that paying taxes instead of having their charitable status, would make them any less susceptible to government intrusion?

9 posted on 02/09/2012 12:22:21 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry

I DID not say it would........but when you fall for
the government line you get what you get.....a church is
suppose to BE CHARITIBLE by nature NOT by decree from
the gov.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 12:28:07 PM PST by mag (All men have feet of Clay....))
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To: mag

I DID not say it would........but when you fall for
the government line you get what you get.....a church is
suppose to BE CHARITIBLE by nature NOT by decree from
the gov.”

Who issues marriage licenses? The Bureau of Sacramental Affairs?


11 posted on 02/09/2012 12:40:17 PM PST by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Obama did not declare this ‘war’. He does what his teleprompter tells him to do. Nancy Peloise and Stupak sent to Obama this abomination. The ‘war’ is inside the Catholic church and Obama is willing to let his face be the image of bad boy.
12 posted on 02/09/2012 12:40:32 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The majority voted him in. Let them live with him.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 1:47:22 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
OBAMA'S HIT LIST

Y'know, it's a pretty impressive list of American institutions and traditions...

Christianity, in general
Utilities
Military
The so-called "rich" (i.e., the middle class)
Home ownership
Banks
Automobiles
Petroleum exploration, refining and distribution
Mining industry Farmers
...........................
And the list goes on...

14 posted on 02/09/2012 1:47:39 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: mag; Sacajaweau; G Larry
Mag, Sacajaweau is right.

This has nothing to do with 501(c)(3) exemptions.

The Obamacare mandate applies to every employer in the USA who offers insurance to their employees, and every insurance provider in the USA.

Obama wants to frame this as "Catholic bishops vs contraceptive-using Catholic women." Gotta admit it's a brilliant tactic of misdirection.

What it really is, is (1) the Government's successful push to tell every person in America what kind of insurance coverage they can and cannot get to care for their very own bodies, because "all YR health care R belong to us"; and

(2)the Government's rapidly developing power to tell every church in America what kind of beliefs it will be permitted to preach and to live by, and

(3) the absolute supremacy of the State over every individual and every institution in civil society.

#1 necessarily and swiftly entails #2 and #3, but you couldn't tell that to the geniuses at the USCCB 2 or 3 years ago.

Now they're shaking the cobwebs out of their heads and muttering, "Whoa. Something about 'subsidiarity'..."

But it's a little late.

15 posted on 02/09/2012 1:52:17 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("May his days be few; may another take his place." Psalm 109:9)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
complained that “progressive” Catholics who had put their reputations on the line to support Obamacare had been “thrown under the bus.”

"Progressive Catholic" is an oxymoron ... and yes, there are a lot of oxymoronic people.

Aside from that, what did this bimbo expect? Barky 0zero throws everybody under the bus eventually.

16 posted on 02/09/2012 1:55:55 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: okie01
OBAMA'S HIT LIST

Here's two more.

The Constitution
Babies
............................
What else?

17 posted on 02/09/2012 2:00:01 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We now have an established State Religion. Obamacare.

The sacrament of abortion shall not be blasphemed.

18 posted on 02/09/2012 2:03:05 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: okie01

Christianity would be at the top of the list.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 2:05:51 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: mware
EWTN just announced today that they are sueing the Federal Government over this.

Beautiful.

20 posted on 02/09/2012 2:05:54 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: okie01

Ramadan is not on the list, how odd.


21 posted on 02/09/2012 2:06:53 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As far as being “un-American”,

we shouldn’t expect anything else from someone that has no loyalty to the concept of America in the first place.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 2:06:53 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Back in my home country of Kenya there are no such rights like these that you stupid Americans whine about losing..."

"...I mean, my home country of USA, fellow Americans."

/BARACK

23 posted on 02/09/2012 2:10:05 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

-1st Amendment of the US Constitution

Obama carried the Catholic vote in 2008. He'll probably carry it again.
24 posted on 02/09/2012 2:21:32 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

-1st Amendment of the US Constitution

Obama carried the Catholic vote in 2008. He'll probably carry it again.
25 posted on 02/09/2012 2:23:08 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: mag
This law isn't conditioned on taking gov't money or exemptions -- it applies to every employer.
26 posted on 02/09/2012 2:33:14 PM PST by maryz
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To: mag
well, 1st the Church, should give back the 501(c)3 EXEMPTIONS...that’s what gets them this kind of trouble when they excepted(sic) them they give the govrnment(sic) the green light to TELL them what to say and how to conduct business! Don’t cha think?

I think you should brush up on your history and learn exactly why the state granted the Church its exemption; it predates the Republic, which it didn't ask for, to begin with.

You might start by reading Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York and work backwards.

27 posted on 02/09/2012 2:42:30 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I ask what the WSJ asks: Why is birth control covered by insurance at all?


28 posted on 02/09/2012 3:09:57 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: PA-RIVER
Help me understand the liberals reasoning.

Abortion is a religious, moral decision best left between a woman, her god and her doctor... so it MUST therefore be legalized. (Roe vs. Wade)

A Cross on public land is an endorsement of religious, moral views, so therefore it MUST be made illegal, and removed at taxpayer expense.

Taxpayers who oppose abortion or birth control on religious or moral grounds do not have a say in how their tax dollars are spent, and MUST pay for things that explicitly violate their private, moral views.

What am I missing here?

29 posted on 02/09/2012 3:21:43 PM PST by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: AmusedBystander

Unscientific and unreliable exit polls are to the illiterate as smack is to a junkie.


30 posted on 02/09/2012 3:25:13 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
He is a tweaker. Create an uproar and see how it plays out. He keeps doing this to upset the voters so he can pull out the stops and declare the suspension of the Constitution. That is why he is absolutely unconcerned about losing in November. He will make a proclamation of national importance. His regal leadership/ruling. Please note, he calls himself a ruler, not a leader.
31 posted on 02/09/2012 5:31:44 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: MrB

Notice Biden is silent. I wonder how the other Catholics in the administration feel?


32 posted on 02/09/2012 5:43:03 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why is the Church so agitated, the liberal press asks? After all, the majority of Catholic women use some form of contraception... [snip]

The answer is that Obama’s diktat violates the American principle of freedom of conscience.

This issue is of course primarily about freedom but is usually framed as being about "birth control". Birth control tends to bring ho-hum responses from most Americans. Let's stress what this is about after the primary concern of loss of freedom and that is abortion and sterilization and that is not "birth control", which also must be covered under Obama's plan. A lot more "religious" people besides Catholics would object to that.

I am Baptist and Baptists have hospitals, as well as Methodists, Lutherans, Jewish and other religions and those organizations, which still officially object to abortions, have employees which will be affected by this monstrosity too.

It's time for all Christians and Jews to unite to fight our common enemy, which is evil, personified by Obama and his minions.

33 posted on 02/10/2012 4:08:12 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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