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Raise the Crime Rate
http://nplusonemag.com ^ | 26 January 2012 | Christopher Glazek

Posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:43 PM PST by JerseyHighlander

From 1980 to 2007, the number of prisoners held in the United States quadrupled to 2.3 million, with an additional 5 million on probation or parole. What Ayn Rand once called the “freest, noblest country in the history of the world” is now the most incarcerated, and the second-most incarcerated country in history, just barely edged out by Stalin’s Soviet Union. We’re used to hearing about the widening chasm between the haves and have-nots; we’re less accustomed to contemplating a more fundamental gap: the abyss that separates the fortunate majority, who control their own bodies, from the luckless minority, whose bodies are controlled, and defiled, by the state.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crime; justice; prison; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:55 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
I wonder if the incarcerated are counted in the unemployment rate.
2 posted on 02/09/2012 4:27:49 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: JerseyHighlander

How can one trust any statistics promulgated by any governmental agency, whether Federal, State or Local?


3 posted on 02/09/2012 4:29:15 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: JerseyHighlander
...the second-most incarcerated country in history, just barely edged out by Stalin’s Soviet Union

Stalin was filling prisons with political opponents... We're filling ours with low life criminals. That's a BIG difference. Crime goes DOWN when criminals are off the streets. If Stalin had let his political prisoners out it wouldn't have affected crime.

It's creepy to pretend these two circumstances are similar.

4 posted on 02/09/2012 4:32:28 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: JerseyHighlander

The “luckless” minority....Like they had nothing to do with it? Similar to the lottery, but they didn’t win? Like they were hit by lightning, poor souls...???


5 posted on 02/09/2012 4:33:47 PM PST by majormaturity
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To: JerseyHighlander

According to one source the number of known illegals incarcerated is 471,000. That may explain part of the increase


6 posted on 02/09/2012 4:33:59 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: JerseyHighlander

The crime rate continues to drop because thugs keep dropping out of the crimeforce. Criminal participation is at an all time low!


7 posted on 02/09/2012 4:35:06 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I don’t trust any statistics or polls. But it is well documented that most prisoners come from dysfunctional families—as many as 90% of those in prison come from fatherless homes.

Tells you why the Cultural Marxists who developed PC (feminists, homosexuals, ACLU) are out to destroy the natural family. Creates emotional cripples, dysfunctional kids, who will be sucking off the teat of government even as adults.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 4:39:44 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: JerseyHighlander

The result of more loss of freedom. The more things you make illegal, the more people become criminals. I bet no one can make it through a day without unknowingly breaking SOME law.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 4:41:30 PM PST by Boiling point
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To: GOPJ

50 years, a low productive person could still make his way in the US, even if he was just a janitor or manual laborer. Today, the same low productive person is locked out of many jobs, because the requirements for that job are higher, though the actual prerequisite skills are still pretty low.

Not excusing the criminal set, but many low skilled people are locked out of being able to improve their situation.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 4:45:22 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: GOPJ

This article is written by a socialist and is filled with such historical revisions as to make Alinsky proud. The only ray of truth is the admission that it was progressives who created the nightmare.


11 posted on 02/09/2012 4:48:52 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Jonty30

I suggest they get some skills. Not hard at all.

Besides, it’s still very easy for a young, non-skilled person to get an entry level job. There are a lot of young kids working at our local Publix and Kroger. In a normal economy of course.

You start there, work up to cashier or some department, become an assistant manager and maybe someday a manager. It just takes time.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 4:50:26 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: Jonty30
many low skilled people are locked out of being able to improve their situation.

Minimum wage laws make the unskilled unhireable, and thereby ensure they're never able to gain the skills to become hireable.
13 posted on 02/09/2012 4:56:19 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Fledermaus
At my local Publix, there used to several obviously high-school age kids packing bags and collecting the carts.

Since 2009, and the minimum wage going to 7.25, they're gone, and no one working in that store is under 25.

14 posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:15 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: stormhill
This is far from a leftist concern. Even Ed Meese (who's responsible for a lot of this) and Heritage have a project concerning the over criminalization of America.

We have more people in prison than China. You comfortable with that? Yet, everyone wants to lock up more.

15 posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:56 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Sheep and insects need leaders.)
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To: All

A story about prison rape? Sorry, no sympathy. EVERYONE knows that if you do the crime, you will probably do some time and that rape is definitely a extra bit of punishment.

So what’s the answer? Stay out of the pokey, so to speak.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 5:00:28 PM PST by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Fledermaus

That’s the way it should work. But in many places, because the government has made it so expensive to have employees that businesses want you to hit the ground running. Businesses don’t want to train any more for anything.

Yes, the gevernment is the problem here too.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 5:05:07 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
You comfortable with that? Yet, everyone wants to lock up more.

Hate to inject a dose of reality into your little world, but the relative peace we live in is due to the incarceration of the psychopaths who commit the crimes.
Am I comfortable with it? I thank heaven for penitenciaries!

18 posted on 02/09/2012 5:11:06 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Jonty30

It happens. I’ve never understood the minimum wage even back in the day I got it at $3.15 an hour.

Yeah Jonty, those days are disappearing. It’s so frustrating when simple logic can change all this in a few years.

But NONE of our worthless politicians will do anything about it. It’s like we have to start over from the local community and just start telling the governments “above” us to go to hell. We won’t pay minimum wage in this city, etc.

Let’s go to court if that will work. How is a minimum wage constitutional?


19 posted on 02/09/2012 5:15:03 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: LearsFool

Minimum wages, unemployment payouts, health and safety, and every other government program is causing people to be too expensive to hire.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 5:16:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: stormhill
Hate to inject a dose of reality into your little world, but the relative peace we live in is due to the incarceration of the psychopaths who commit the crimes.

Yeah. Everyone in jail is a "psychopath". Everyone is guilty and violent.

The psychopaths are not what's being discussed and you know it.

21 posted on 02/09/2012 5:16:34 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Sheep and insects need leaders.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

No, what’s being discussed is the social contract, the root causes, collective guilt and all the crock the liberals throw at us to divert responsibility from the criminal.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 5:20:08 PM PST by stormhill
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To: stormhill

Liberals like Ed Meese and the Heritage Foundation?

http://www.heritage.org/issues/legal/rule-of-law/overcriminalization


23 posted on 02/09/2012 5:24:38 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Sheep and insects need leaders.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
I stand with Heritage on the notion that the legislatures should avoid creating absurd and oppressive laws. Nevertheless, I will not be disuaded from the position that anyone who knocks over little old ladies should be taken away.

Why does no one propose something useful like default capital punishment for murder? You'd have to turn prisons into condos for lack of demand.

24 posted on 02/09/2012 5:31:51 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Boiling point
People aren't put in prison for blowing their nose on a public bus in Georgia even if it is against the law in some small berg - and you know that...

The folks in prison deserve to be there - with VERY RARE exception. Please drop the liberal 'feel the pain' of monsters stuff. That crap went out of style in the 70's.

By your silly logic, if murder was made legal they'd be less crime. Same for rape. Do you actually believe that? The laws are made by citizens to maintain a MINIMUM standard of decency. That criminals fall below that low standard is stunning... and creepy beyond words.

25 posted on 02/09/2012 7:49:25 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
We have more people in prison than China. You comfortable with that? Yet, everyone wants to lock up more.

China locks up a lot of political prisoners. If China had the criminals we have they'd just shoot them. I doubt the Chinese would feed some lowlife serial killer for 20 years - or even 5. Check it out - they kill 'em.

26 posted on 02/09/2012 7:55:24 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: GOPJ

I agree with your points, but this is where the US is headed if there isn’t concerted effort to block this, which is still not as bad as the political prisoners in Western China being used as organ harvesting black market cash flow for corrupt Police Forces..., but it’s worse than the 19th century British debtors’ prisons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/private-prisons-buying-state-prisons_n_1272143.html

“As state governments wrestle with massive budget shortfalls, a Wall Street giant is offering a solution: cash in exchange for state property. Prisons, to be exact.

Corrections Corporation of America, the nation’s largest operator of for-profit prisons, has sent letters recently to 48 states offering to buy up their prisons as a remedy for “challenging corrections budgets.” In exchange, the company is asking for a 20-year management contract, plus an assurance that the prison would remain at least 90 percent full, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Huffington Post.”


27 posted on 02/17/2012 8:46:28 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
The problem with private prisons is there's no incentive to ‘get the folks better’. They make money when the prisons are full. The fuller the better.

I'd like to see some kind of ‘non-recidivism bonus. If a guy doesn't come back for 5 years, they get extra money. Pay them to help people get off the wheel and maybe they'll make it a priority.

28 posted on 02/18/2012 8:50:11 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: GOPJ
The problem with private prisons is there's no incentive to ‘get the folks better’. They make money when the prisons are full. The fuller the better.

I don't care if they "get better" or not. "Corrections" is just a joke anyway. I want violent bastards locked up, kept away from the public, and weakened.

29 posted on 02/18/2012 9:37:24 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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