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F-22 Fighter Crash Questions Linger: Pentagon Reviews Air Force Report
ABC ^ | 2/10/2012 | Lee Ferran

Posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:55 AM PST by U-238

The Department of Defense is reviewing the Air Force's investigation into a deadly F-22 jet crash that claimed the life of fighter pilot Capt. Jeff Haney -- a crash that the Air Force blamed on Haney, despite a malfunction that caused his oxygen system to shut off mid-flight.

Launched by the Pentagon's Inspector General, the assessment aims to make sure the Air Force adhered to proper procedures during their investigation of the 2010 crash in the Alaskan wilderness and "will also verify that [the Air Force's] conclusions are supported by evidence of record consistent with standards of proof," according to a Jan. 25 letter from the Inspector General's office to the Secretary of the Air Force, as posted on the Air Force Magazine website.

In December the Air Force released its findings from an intense, months-long investigation into the crash, concluding that even though an unknown malfunction caused Haney's oxygen system to shut down -- leaving Haney to experience "a sense similar to suffocation" -- it was Haney's fault that the plane went down.

"By clear and convincing evidence, I find the cause of the mishap was the [pilot's] failure to recognize and initiate a timely dive recovery due to channelized attention, breakdown of visual scan and unrecognized spatial disorientation," the president of the investigation board, Brig. Gen. James Browne, said in conclusion. The report said Haney failed to activate his emergency oxygen system -- which the Air Force admitted is difficult to reach in winter gear -- or to take the plane low enough for him to simply take off his mask to breathe.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f22; jeffhaney; pentagon; usaf

1 posted on 02/10/2012 12:47:07 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
But one of Haney's fellow pilots has another theory -- one that may never be public because it was omitted from official account. The pilot had chosen to share it with Air Force investigators off the record, the documents obtained by ABC News said.

I wonder what he said?

2 posted on 02/10/2012 1:07:27 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

They need to solve the oxygen cut off problem.

But this could be an Obama effort at DOD to cut the Budget of the F 22 program.

ABC ads in snark at the end by stating...”...never saw combat...”, which ignores reality that it is an air-air superiority fighter...not too many air forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.


3 posted on 02/10/2012 2:00:22 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: U-238
"By clear and convincing evidence, I find the cause of the mishap was the [pilot's] failure to recognize and initiate a timely dive recovery due to channelized attention, breakdown of visual scan and unrecognized spatial disorientation," the president of the investigation board, Brig. Gen. James Browne, said in conclusion.

Can't do that when you're unconscious from oxygen deprivation, Brigadier General Moron.

4 posted on 02/10/2012 4:12:12 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
To: U-238 "By clear and convincing evidence, I find the cause of the mishap was the [pilot's] failure to recognize and initiate a timely dive recovery due to channelized attention, breakdown of visual scan and unrecognized spatial disorientation," the president of the investigation board, Brig. Gen. James Browne, said in conclusion.

The same case could be made for bird strike and be just as invalid.

5 posted on 02/10/2012 4:30:43 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: U-238

Oxygen delivery is pretty automatic, and if it were to shut down, I would think breathing with a mask would be extremely difficult, would be like suffocation and would be pretty obvious, but if the shutdown just shut off oxygen and left one able to breath cockpit air in an unpressurized cockpit at altitude, then one would be dependent on recognizing personal symptoms of hypoxia. Once symptoms are recognized, a persons time of useful consciousness could be pretty limited especially if one has to descend twenty thousand feet or so in a high performance aircraft, and stay awake enough to control that descent.

We don’t know what happened, and I wonder if in this case, the AF does either. The pilot is dead. Most AF pilots in my experience are interested in flying not dying, I’m sure the last thing he wanted was to crash his aircraft and would have done everything within his power to avoid such.


6 posted on 02/10/2012 5:10:41 AM PST by wita (l)
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To: Timber Rattler

The accident report would NOT have said that if the pilot was unconscious.

“his F-22 Raptor alerted him to a malfunction that cut off his oxygen supply...Why Haney didn’t immediately recognize the dive and pull out is a mystery, but the Air Force said he did not pass out and was more likely disoriented.”

Lots of guys have died over the years from getting fixated on solving a problem and then flying into the ground.

“The Air Force also does not know why Haney did not activate the emergency oxygen system or, once he was at a proper altitude, simply take off his mask to breathe.”

Good question. That is a scenario you train for...and while I don’t know about the F-22, I never saw a plane where it was all that difficult to throw the emergency oxygen lever.


7 posted on 02/10/2012 6:56:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: rbmillerjr
not too many air forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet, air superiority fighters of coalition forces, with the exception of the F-22, have been deployed to both theaters.

8 posted on 02/10/2012 9:08:19 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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