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JFK, Monster (adult theme and language)
The New Repubic ^ | 10 feb 2012 | Timothy Noah

Posted on 02/10/2012 6:03:26 AM PST by rellimpank

I knew that John F. Kennedy was a compulsive, even pathological adulterer, given to taking outlandish risks after he entered the White House. I knew he treated women like whores. And I knew he had more than a few issues with his father about toughness and manliness and all that. But before I read in the newspaper that Mimi Alford's just-released memoir, Once Upon A Secret: My Affair With President John F. Kennedy And Its Aftermath, described giving Dave Powers a blow job at JFK's request and in his presence, I didn't know that Kennedy had an appetite for subjecting those close to him to extreme humiliation.

The likelihood that Alford is making this story up is extremely remote. She didn't come forward on her own. She was outed, partially in a 2003 Robert Dallek biography, and then by name by the Daily News, as "JFK's Monica," because when she began her affair she was a White House intern and a 19 year-old rising sophomore at Wheaton College. (In the book Alford reveals that Sally Bedell Smith was actually the first journalist to contact her--by phone, about a year before the Dallek book came out--and that she declined to speak to her then.)

Alford's story is entirely believable. She was an attractive, naive recent graduate of Miss Porter's School. Miss Porter's was also the alma mater of Jacqueline Kennedy and of a slightly older White House secretary named "Fiddle" with whom Kennedy was also having an affair, or so the First Lady believed--there was also a purported dalliance with Fiddle's close friend "Faddle," a secretary in the press office--and it isn't lost on Alford that this descendant of Boston's lace-curtain Irish had a thing for Social Register girls.

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KEYWORDS: jfk; kennedy; mimialford
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1 posted on 02/10/2012 6:03:37 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Well, what did you expect from a Democrat?


2 posted on 02/10/2012 6:08:41 AM PST by ransacked
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To: rellimpank

Reference the article, can anyone tell me what good things Kennedy did in his public life?

The guy was a loser with a capital L.

He was in Dallas trying to save his bacon when he got plugged.


3 posted on 02/10/2012 6:10:32 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: rellimpank

Thanks to the great Clinton, no one is shocked or cares.

“He needed it. He has such a stressful job.”

“He’s so charismatic!”

“It was a private, personal affair.”

“He was abused as a child.”

It’s always ok if you’re a Democrat.


4 posted on 02/10/2012 6:12:37 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: rellimpank
Clinton shared many vices with President Kennedy, but I can't imagine him ever doing anything like this.

OMG... it's all I can say. What a tool!

5 posted on 02/10/2012 6:14:14 AM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: rellimpank

The three Kennedy brothers were Moe, Larry, and Shemp, of the Democrat Party, with Ted being Shemp.


6 posted on 02/10/2012 6:15:18 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: rellimpank

She couldn’t imagine The Klintoon doing anything like that? Looks like she hasn’t learning anything since the 60s.


7 posted on 02/10/2012 6:16:00 AM PST by mancini
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To: rellimpank

Hmmmm—I guess it really wasn’t Camelot!

I do not admire women who either participate in, or put up with Crappe like this! Sorry—money and prestige doesn’t cut it.


8 posted on 02/10/2012 6:18:23 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: rellimpank
From near the end of the piece:

"Clinton shared many vices with President Kennedy, but I can't imagine him ever doing anything like this."

Naw......he'd just rape them, sexually assault them......you know; harmless stuff like that, the sick son of a bitch.

9 posted on 02/10/2012 6:18:59 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: rellimpank

It’s a wonderfully titillating story; however, do we have anything at all other than the woman’s word that the thing actually happened?


10 posted on 02/10/2012 6:22:27 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: rellimpank

The myths about JFK began when he refused to support Ike’s CIA incursion at the Bay of Pigs, From there it has been downhill and a continuing .

Those myths have continued on for 52 years perpetrated by the same biased sources which has brought US, Obama the Divider.

Who is to blame ? Blame The New York Times, blame The Washington Post, Blame CBS, Blame ABC Blame CBS But above all Blame yourself for relying on these un-reliable sources.


11 posted on 02/10/2012 6:26:55 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let it be run by professors Fredrick the Great)
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To: basil
Mimi Alford wasn't a woman when this occurred. She was a naive girl.

Considering her age and naivete and Kennedy's position and power, this was nothing less than child molestation and psychological rape.

12 posted on 02/10/2012 6:29:34 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

> Ted being Shemp.

You owe a posthumous apology to Shemp Howard.

Shemp may have been a drunk, like Teddy, but he never murdered anyone.


13 posted on 02/10/2012 6:32:54 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: rellimpank
As normal the worldview of liberals are upside down and assbackwards

Kennedy was Camelot and Reagan was the EVIL EMPIRE

Imagine the scorn and ridicule that would be heaped upon his legacy

14 posted on 02/10/2012 6:34:27 AM PST by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: rellimpank

Obama must have really done a number on Mimi Alford’s 401K.
Aside from that I can’t for the life of me figure out what would compel her to start peddling her story at age 69.

We already know JFK was a philandering creep. Why put herself front-and-center into the sewage?


15 posted on 02/10/2012 6:42:20 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rellimpank

16 posted on 02/10/2012 6:42:32 AM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: Jack Hammer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/08/07/explosive-jackie-o-tapes-to-be-released.html

Explosive’ Jackie O Tapes to Be Released

They’ve been vaulted since their recording a few months after her husband’s death, but now the secret confessions of Jackie Kennedy Onassis will be released. The shocking tapes reveal that the former first lady believed that Lyndon Johnson and Texas businessmen were behind the assassination of her husband on Nov. 22, 1963. She also confesses to an affair with actor William Holden, an act of retaliation for her husband’s own romps with a 19-year-old White House intern and other women. Jackie recorded the tapes with the historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., but asked that they not be released until 50 years after her death, fearing the confessions would have made her family targets for revenge. Although she died only 17 years ago, her daughter, Caroline Kennedy, has agreed to release them early and have them aired on a special program on ABC. It is believed she agreed to the release in exchange for the network dropping its $10 million series about the family.


17 posted on 02/10/2012 6:44:29 AM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: rellimpank
If social networking, IE. Tweets, Face Book etc), were around back then, I am sure JFK's escapades would be far worse that Bubba’s. IMHO
18 posted on 02/10/2012 6:45:51 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: RoosterRedux

Are you saying that she had not reached the age where she could discern between right and wrong?


19 posted on 02/10/2012 6:47:15 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: mosesdapoet

I was around, and an adult, during the fifties and sixties and the myths of the Kennedys (plural) began well before JFK was elected.


20 posted on 02/10/2012 6:53:11 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: RoosterRedux

“Considering her age and naivete and Kennedy’s position and power, this was nothing less than child molestation and psychological rape.”

Are you aware your “Inner Liberal” is out of control and posting under your screen name?

At a certain age, females tend, as Heinlein so well described, to grow round heels and they keep falling on their backs”. The attraction of females for males with less than honorable intentions is something parents are all too familiar with.

Why else would the “Daughters are a father’s punishment for his sins with the girls of his younger days.” came from?

Lastly, women do have a genetic program which predisposes them towards powerful, dominant males. That evolvevd because being mated to such a male offers some ggenetic advantages.

‘Course, when the male is a Kennedy, it turns out that there is a downside to evolution’s evolved mechanism.

Even evolution can’t cope with deliberate evil.

Yeah, I dubbed KFK ‘evil’. Why? Evil is as evil does.

Judgmental of me?

So?


21 posted on 02/10/2012 6:56:46 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: basil

At last another perfect person who has never made a mistake....and I thought I was alone.

Glass houses.


22 posted on 02/10/2012 7:01:56 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: BilLies

If I were Herman Cain, I would have said “You flatter me with thee womanizing accusations!”


23 posted on 02/10/2012 7:08:23 AM PST by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: Arm_Bears
Reference the article, can anyone tell me what good things Kennedy did in his public life?

He chose LBJ to be his VP, thereby allowing Texas voters to elect a conservative Republican named John Tower to represent their state in the Senate.

24 posted on 02/10/2012 7:08:28 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

Good things...for starters.......
From the Soviet perspective:

Bay of Pigs disaster (Bobby had to help out to make it a debacle);
Soviet Missiles into Cuba corollaries:
a)Withdrawal of missiles from Turkey;
b)Guarantee no invasion of Castro Communist Regime;
c)No invasion pledge allows Che Guevara to formet terrorism throughout Latin America until death in 1967;
Escalation of military aid to South Vietnam into full fledged War;
Complicit in overthrow and execution of President Diem;
Berlin Wall (Removal Thanks to President Reagan);

From the MAFIA standpoint:
Got beautiful MAFIA babe in White House so that “Deals you can’t refuse” can be implemented.


25 posted on 02/10/2012 7:33:33 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: rellimpank

Besides being a classless boor the guy’s party controlled both houses of congress and he still couldn’t get most of his legislation passed. He left the poor cuban freedom fighters on the beach with a banana in their hand for Castro to annihilate. The guy was a total loser. Its still a miracle to me that he mustered the cojones’ to keep Russian missiles out of Cuba. If he hadn’t beeen assasinated he would be listed as one of the most mediocre presidents in history.


26 posted on 02/10/2012 7:43:50 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rellimpank

I wonder what the code name was for JFK’s communist girlfriend? BETTER HEAD WITH RED?


27 posted on 02/10/2012 7:46:07 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: BilLies

Who said I never made mistakes?

I certainly didn’t make the “mistakes” the Kennedy clan was known for.


28 posted on 02/10/2012 7:47:12 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: GladesGuru
I'll put it another way. If my sheltered 19 year old virgin daughter were bedded by the president just because he thought it was his right to have sex with anyone in his employment...I would be p!ssed.

Does that sound liberal to you?

29 posted on 02/10/2012 8:21:54 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: Fiji Hill

lowered taxes.


30 posted on 02/10/2012 8:26:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BilLies

“I was around, and an adult,” ...So was I and then some .. “during the fifties and sixties and the myths of the Kennedys (plural) began well before JFK was elected”.
The issue raised here is not the Kennedys per se. It’s the passes, winks and downright obfuscation of policy by the press.

I was around when Truman passed on Stalin’s suggestion that Korea be divided at the 39th parallel in 1945 and wound up serving in that war... Point is if JFK supported the Bay of Pigs there would not have been the Cuban missile crisis yet he’s depicted as facing down “the commies”


31 posted on 02/10/2012 8:28:31 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let it be run by professors Fredrick the Great)
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To: BilLies
I was around, and an adult, during the fifties and sixties and the myths of the Kennedys (plural) began well before JFK was elected.

For one thing, he was credited with being the author of Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper, 1955). It was claimed that he wrote it while lying in his hospital bed during a severe illness, yet it was actually ghostwritten by his speechwriter Ted Sorensen.

32 posted on 02/10/2012 10:18:35 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: RoosterRedux

I agree. (no.29)


33 posted on 02/10/2012 11:10:40 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: basil
Are you saying that she had not reached the age where she could discern between right and wrong?

I think that being hit on by the most powerful man in the world probably causes a 19 y/o girl's head to spin...and that might temporarily suspend her otherwise good judgment.

I find it disgusting that JFK would abuse his position of power and authority with a naive girl.

The Kennedy's, of course, have always abused their power. They think nothing of rape (or even murder in the case of Martha Moxley).

34 posted on 02/10/2012 11:24:48 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: RoosterRedux

I’ll put it another way. If my sheltered 19 year old virgin daughter were bedded by the president just because he thought it was his right to have sex with anyone in his employment...I would be p!ssed.

Does that sound liberal to you?

The following applies to peasant and President, alike.

Man proposes
Woman disposes

She did not say no, and while JFK seems to have had more than the normal share of bad behavioral predispositions, he was (to my knowledge) not the rape practitioner that Clinton or some of the other Kennedy clan appear to have been.


35 posted on 02/10/2012 3:35:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
I hate to say it, but you sound much more like a liberal (a defender of JFK) than I do.

The Kennedy's are notorious for forcing themselves on women.

Using the office of the Presidency to pounce on a young woman (a recent grad of Miss Porter's BTW...naive and sheltered) is rape in my opinion.

You certainly sound like a permissive liberal to me.

36 posted on 02/10/2012 3:52:56 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: GladesGuru
The same applies to peasant and president?

I think you are teasing me.;-)

This is about power...the peasant has none, the president has the ultimate.

Having personally been poor and wealthy, I can assure you that a poor man and a rich or powerful man do not have the same opportunities for sexual adventure.

37 posted on 02/10/2012 4:03:43 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: RoosterRedux

We agree on the opportunities for sexual adventures available to the wealthy.

But - if a prudent male desires not share his wealth with a feeding frenzy of land sharks litigating on behalf of a female , said wealthy male will not dispute the female’s decision.

In the instant case, I must draw your attention to the fact that the virgin continued the illicit relationship, for many, many, months.

Indeed, a case can be made that had JFK not been shot, she would have continued the relationship.

All she had to do was not appear when summoned. She disposed, JFK merely proposed.


38 posted on 02/10/2012 5:12:36 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
Beg to differ.

This was the President of the United Frikken States.

You need to change your name...a guru you aren't! Not even in the swamp!

39 posted on 02/10/2012 5:19:22 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: RoosterRedux

“You certainly sound like a permissive liberal to me.”

When I was at Woodstock, yes. Oddly, that cured me of casual sex. And, may I note, I was far short of 40 at that time. One can become conservative earlier than 40, you know.

However, nothing changes the facts admitted to by the author. She continued the relationship. She obeyed the request for an oral sex escapade on a third party.

Why did she so act? I can only state that I have seen more females from good families than you would probably believe, do things that a mink breeder would not allow in a back cage.

When the hormone storm breaks, they just go ‘full female’.


40 posted on 02/10/2012 5:21:34 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: RoosterRedux

What does the Presidency mean, really? Assume that Hillery had been elected. You have business which takes you tothe White House and the HillaBeast reaches for you.

Even given the age bit, wanna bet your answer would be No, or NO! or H*LL NO - not until after the next Ice Age!

Do remember that she was just an intern, with no contracts to worry about.


41 posted on 02/10/2012 5:26:51 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
I cannot disagree with you about the human sexual urge. It is powerful beyond belief.

But my point is that this was essentially a little girl under the power which is only second to God (in this country).

I will not dispute that you are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that she was psychologically raped (by that scum who pretended to be President).

42 posted on 02/10/2012 5:29:46 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: GladesGuru
I cannot disagree with you about the human sexual urge. It is powerful beyond belief.

But my point is that this was essentially a little girl under the power which is only second to God (in this country).

I will not dispute that you are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that she was psychologically raped (by that scum who pretended to be President).

43 posted on 02/10/2012 5:34:54 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: RoosterRedux

...”(by that scum who pretended to be President).”

Alas, the scum was President.

And the state of affairs in the White House steadily deteriorated, culminating in Obama.

The eventual revelations about Bammy’s Boyz will make JFK seem like a saint, in comparison.


44 posted on 02/10/2012 6:19:03 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Liz; rodguy911; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; ...

.. Let the engineered Kenedy myths finally now
die. It was all a fantastical mountain of lies.
We were suckered and duped by the negligence
of the good old boy press of the day. We know
the truth is just as distorted and orchestrated
today.

The lamestreams today are asking this woman if
she doesn’t think she should’ve withheld this
information as Caroline is still alive and she’ll
be hurt by it, NOT anything about the clear dark
side of JFK.

The risks he took with his and our safety are
reprehensible.

Historian and JFK biographer Robert Dallek is
right about how dangerous his actions were
(not to mention that additionally he had
unreported serious health issues, taking
strong medications as well as allegedly
recreational drugs). It all could’ve so
dangerously compromised him and the country.
.. leader of the free world. DearLord.

Dallek’s segement is in this video:

(note: it gets graphic)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/46319832#46319723

One thing’s been proven over and over thru time:

the truth ALWAYS comes out.

“Alford believes that Kennedy showed “his darker side ... when we were among men he knew. That’s when he felt a need to display his power over me.” Kennedy didn’t just have a thing for Social Register girls; he had a thing for humiliating Social Register girls. He also had a thing for humiliating his fellow Irishman, Dave Powers.”

JackieO’s Camelot fabrication + Kennedy hero worship = Pffft!

Let the truth of the current monster become revealed
in our lifetimes, please God.


45 posted on 02/11/2012 12:40:51 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

My sainted mother swore he was a pig. My God, I hope she knows she was right. My fahter said the whole damn family were scoundrels and worse. He *knew* he was right. God bless him. Iam interestedin Hearing Jackie’s tapes. I wanted to live long enough for their release. To he// with Caroline.


46 posted on 02/11/2012 12:49:35 AM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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I’m not sure the video above has all Dallek’s remarks about his low opinion of JFK .. but there’s this:

“Dallek told me that Alford’s book “certainly confirms that Kennedy was a compulsive womanizer.” The historian condemned Kennedy’s “disgusting behavior, inexcusable behavior—a 45-year-old man who is president and a 19-year-old intern.”

Dallek added: “It once again raises questions about presidential character. Does it matter? Certainly it matters....After all, a president represents the best of the national character. We don’t expect them to be perfect but we expect them to demonstrate a certain level of decency.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2012/02/07/jfk-affair-with-intern-revives-presidential-character-debate?google_editors_picks=true


47 posted on 02/11/2012 1:00:28 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: onyx

God bless them .. being a native New Englander,
the Kennedy aura was tangible everywhere.


48 posted on 02/11/2012 1:06:37 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: onyx

O, did you watch all the videos?

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/06/10323677-former-white-house-intern-mimi-alford-reveals-details-of-kennedy-affair

It’s for history and the confirmation of our insights and
instincts about damn dems. Dang if your folks weren’t
right on the money.


49 posted on 02/11/2012 1:09:33 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: onyx

The videos are stacked on the left side

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/46319832#46319832


50 posted on 02/11/2012 1:14:45 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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