Posted on 02/10/2012 7:05:58 AM PST by no dems
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, February 8, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) — One of the most influential evangelical leaders in the United States says Christians should go to jail rather than comply with the Obama administration’s mandate to provide all contraception, including abortion-inducing drugs, in their health care plans.
Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), told LifeSiteNews.com "we will not comply" with the Dept. of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring religious institutions to cover abortifacient products such as Plan B, Ella, and the IUD.
"We want the law changed, or else we’re going to write our letters from the Nashville jail, just like Dr. King wrote his from the Birmingham jail," Dr. Land said.
Dr. Land wrote an op-ed on Tuesday with Barrett Duke, vice president for public policy and research at ERLC, calling his fellow Southern Baptists and evangelical Christians throughout America to oppose any infringement on the First Amendment.
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That's what it's all about. It's not about a "woman's right to choose". It's about infringement on the First Amendment. The Catholic Church today; who tomorrow? Latter Day Saints (Mormon)? Baptists? Pentecostal/Charismatic?
How “true” Christians could vote for Obozo in the first place was/is a mystery to me. Now, after this, how can any true Christian believer vote for B. Hussein Obama?
Has anyone taken a moment to think that if the gov starts accommodating Christians now, what will they accommodate for islam tomorrow? We gotta be careful here folks.
Drudge headline...sorry
WH CAVES: OBAMA TO ANNOUNCE ‘ACCOMMODATION’ ON CONTRACEPTION RULE...
So you see, this settles it. He can make ‘accommodations’ and still get what he wants. Just like the waivers he allowed some.
This will prove to be a suicidal roll of the dice by the Obama Administration, as I thought it was from the beginning.
THis goes way beyond “tone-deafness”,even though in the final analysis it will LOSE Obama more votes than anything else his
Administration has done. And its not just “true Christian believers” who are profoundly turned off by this blatant overreach of Federal power, it’s potentially millions of others. I’d be very surprised NOT to see the Administration
reverse itself on this, claiming it didn’t foresee the enroachment on religious freedom. I hope by the time that happens, the damage will already have been done and they won’t be able to recover from it.
This ONE example of “who they are” will do more damage to them than ANYTHING. THey have really stepped in it.
This is NOT about separation of church and state. It is a bout our freedom from government mandates steeping on our first amendment rights. As much as I hate Islam, they have religious freedom in the USA and I would fight to the death for it.
Catholics and Protestants are leading the charge here.
Has anyone heard anything from Romney and the SLC lds?
We know that Romney required the same under his heath care legislation, which is probably why he isn’t saying anything but the leadership of SLC lds being quiet.
Just wondering.
BHO may have had a plan, but he has stepped in big time......
And....what waivers will he give the Muslim community? Or has he already done this?
While I admire this guys fervor, and certainly am against this as strongly as anybody. I'm not sure I understand how anybody can go to jail under this. It's my understanding that what the mandate does is force all insurance policies to pay for birth control. Therefore if all policies must pay for birth control by law, the organization (say the Catholic Church) would simply no longer be able to provide health insurance to their employees (because they refuse to purchase any policy with birth control). Then under Obamacare, all the individual employees of that organization would be dumped into one of the state exchanges where they could purchase insurance or if they didn't, get hit with the fines from the IRS. I assume somewhere down the road, if they didn't pay the fines they could go to jail, but more likely, the IRS would just garnish their wages or levy assets for that amount. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Civil Disobedience
How many Christians already pay for insurance through their workplaces? How many of them are out protesting or refusing their employer provided coverage? Hubby once worked for a hospital/insurance conglomerate that was named after a popular Christian denomination. But I didn’t see that their policies were all that religious.
I guess my point here is that you don’t hear about Catholics who have employer provided coverage complaining that they are helping to pay for abortions and birth control of other employees. Can Catholics or Baptists or whomever deny their employer provided coverage and become a part of a Church insurance policy?
People need to start understanding that this President doesn’t make accommodations to us. We make accommodations to him.
What business owners or corporate boards do with insurance coverage for their employees is their business. Once again: The Point Is infringement on the First Amendment Rights of people of faith. What the owner of a machine shop does is up to him. But, for the government to force a church to go against it’s doctrinal tenets is unConstitutional.
>ObamaCare Architect: Catholic Institutions Should Provide Birth Control as 'Moral Imperative' to Stop Population Growth...<
All except muslims?
Well, Islam is covered by the First Amendment just as much as Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Scientology...... Besides, do you think our Marxist Muslim President will infringe on the rights of Muslims? He did NOT acknowledge National Day of Prayer but he made a big deal over a decree of “well wishes” to the Muslims of America during Ramadan.
But it does include all of those entities now, its just that Catholicism is up front and center on this because of their contraception stand... even if Catholics’ view on contraception was like most other people’s the issue, hopefully would be the same, infringement on the first amendment.
Get rid of illegals and you cut the population by 20 million. How many lettuce pickers do we need?
I agree with you that this is a separate issue. I just was wondering how Christians with consciences deal with this issue. It’s bothered me for years.
in the final analysis it will LOSE Obama more votes than anything else his Administration has done.
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I think you’re correct. The “choice” folks would vote for him no matter what. But, hopefully, this will open the eyes of many people in America who still feel that the First Amendment must be protected and they will NOT make the mistake of voting for Obama again.
I think that any Denomination could word their insurance policy the way they want. They could add an Amendment or Addendum to their policy making this part of it an “Exception”. (All insurance policies have “Exceptions”) Then the fecal material will hit the fan as we watch to see how far is the Obama Administration is willing to take this thing.
I wouldn’t beleive anything Romney says about anything let alone this issue.
I meant the lds leadership, not a talk show guy.
Not read anything coming from them as from other groups.
I think that any Denomination could word their insurance policy the way they want. They could add an Amendment or Addendum to their policy making this part of it an “Exception”. (All insurance policies have “Exceptions”)
Would an insurer be legally permitted to enter into a contract with an exception that excluded birth control?
The question (or argument) I have not read yet is what about the right of the individual in regards to freedom of religion?
Isn't it just as unconstitutional for an individual who does not work for a religious organization if they are forced to pay for a policy (from an employer or government entity) that goes against their doctrinal tenants?
Perhaps they believe that their observance on Sunday whitewashes the sin they commit on Tuesday...in any event, "I NEVER knew you..."
Oh, my bad. No; I’ve not heard anything from the LDS Leadership and probably no one else has either. Since Romney has become a prominent figure in America, I have found that Mormons (LDS) are not above lying, and being being dishonest and two-faced. I thought all Mormons were honorable people. I found out differently. Like Black Religious Leaders, the LDS leadership will probably turn their head and keep their mouth shut to get one of their own in the White House.
No problems and yo are correct about the lying.
islam already has an exemption in obamaCare. There is some clause called (religious exclusion or something like that) except they are the only ones who can use it.
This issue changes the dynamic of the GOP nomination significantly if it continues, which seems likely. Uhbamuh will accommodate as liberals always accommodate, by changing the wording slightly while demanding the same thing. If Catholics are actually paying attention, they will not be fooled and since we know Uhbamuh will never get rid of something he really wants, this could be an issue in November. And Santorum may be best positioned to carry that fight into the fall.
Obama is loathesome.
Its now time for a litmus test:
Are you a democrat or are you a Christian?
Are you a democrat or are you an American?
When I find out that someone is a Democrat, I immediately lose respect for them.
And a few hours after I posted, what do I see?
Obama has “relented” a little, and accomodated on this issue.
They will throw ANYTHING against the wall, and hope the wall is wet enough so that it will stick.
Didn’t stick this time, Barry, and you just lost the election.
REPUBLICANS-—do not let go of this issue.
Keep mentioning it, and mentioning how many are turned off by
the Bama Agenda, and WHY.
This happened to the Recusants in England under Henry VIII. It can happen 2 ways:
1) You can’t comply so you pay the fine. The government keeps increasing the fine til you can’t pay it anymore, and everyone is afraid to speak up lest it happen to them; so they slap you in jail to rot. Or concentration camp like Hitler did.
2) You choose neither to buy the coverage nor pay the fine. The men in black show up in the middle of the night and you say bye bye to your house-cat on the way out the door not to return for the foreseeable future.
Really, there might be 3 ways:
3) Piss off Obama because he thinks he’s king now. And the men in black show up and ...... your house-cat doesn’t have time to kiss you goodbye in this case.
No that’s the whole point of the HHS mandate. Catch up!
BTW, this provides not only birth control of various kinds but also abortion, sterilization and the morning after (OOPS WAS I DRUNK?) pill.
See. Achmed is covered by the usual policy.
I think that any Denomination could word their insurance policy the way they want. They could add an Amendment or Addendum to their policy making this part of it an “Exception”. (All insurance policies have “Exceptions”)
Would an insurer be legally permitted to enter into a contract with an exception that excluded birth control?
No that’s the whole point of the HHS mandate.
That's what I assumed.
Catch up!
If you must be snarky, your remark would be better directed at nodems. Catch up yourself.
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