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Serious, why do liberal so LOVE abortion?

Posted on 02/10/2012 2:53:25 PM PST by MNDude

OK, I'm sure we all have friends or family members that we disagree with who call themselves "pro-choice."

These people will often feel ambigious about when life starts and don't feel it's right to make legal legislation about this. These are not the people I'm talking about.

I'm talking about those that for whatever REALLY REALLY REALLY love abortion. The ones that strongly support funding of abortion left and right, and those who seem obsessed with making it more and more available and considered. Like Obama working to get it into Kenya. Come on, it can't be about "women's rights?" In a third world, high Muslim population nation?

Is there anyone here that used to be pro-abortion? (not just "pro-choice". If so, could you offer some insight on their mentality?


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1 posted on 02/10/2012 2:53:34 PM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude

They worship Moloch.


2 posted on 02/10/2012 2:55:44 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: MNDude

Abortion is the ultimate slap in the face of humanity - it is a power thing.


3 posted on 02/10/2012 2:56:08 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I STAND WITH ISRAEL)
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To: MNDude

Because they are evil.

Notice they want you to pay for it!

You are paying for murdering millions of babies. They want to spread the guilt.

I guess it makes them feel less guilty.


4 posted on 02/10/2012 2:58:05 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: MNDude

“Moloch — is the name of an ancient Ammonite god[1]. Moloch worship was practiced by the Canaanites, Phoenician and related cultures in North Africa and the Levant.

As a god worshipped by cults of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21–23: “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch”). Gehenna is a site where apostate Canaanites and followers of various Ba’als worshiped Moloch.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

Abortion: Sacrificing to Molech

They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. (Jer. 32:35)

Molech worship is an abomination unto the Lord which originated from the Ammonites. One of the rituals connected to Molech worship is the sacrificing of children unto the Ammonite god Molech, as an expression of their devotion to him. When Israel fell into idolatry, which incidentally if you read the OT sadly happens most of the time in their national history, one of the gods they worship is Molech, and thus they offer up their sons and daughters as human sacrifices to it. Such a practice is an utter abomination unto the Lord, as children are a gift from the Lord (Ps. 127:3), and especially so for Covenant children being given to Christian families. Thus, sacrificing their children to Molech, besides breaking the first and second commandments, is firstly a violation of the sixth commandment against murder (Ex. 20:13). Secondly, it is taking God’s good gifts and offering those gifts of God up as sacrifices to worthless, lifeless idols. For covenant children, this is also taking away what rightfully belongs to God (which is theft), especially if he is the firstborn son (Ex. 22:29; Num. 18:15). Molech worship is so detested by God that he warned Israel very sternly against it in Lev. 18:21 & 20:2-5, where Molech worship through children sacrifice is described as a profanation of God’s name, and the punishment for Molech worship is DEATH!

In today’s context, what is the Molech worship which is present in our day? Surely there is nobody performing human sacrifices, and especially child sacrifices, now? Such a babaric practice surely can’t exist in our civilized world, can it?

I would suggest that abortion is one of the modern day Molech worship that we so-called civilized people are guilty of. In place of a physical idol of Molech, we worship at the Molechs of choice and of pleasure (e.g. women’s choice and pleasure in sin). As a culture and as the human race, we worship at the altars of humanism, in putting ourselves as the final determinator of what is correct or wrong. To this ‘Molech’, we sacrifice our children, for our own god’s benefit (which is ourselves).

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/ddd_chc82/abortion1.html


5 posted on 02/10/2012 2:58:14 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: MNDude

They are incapable of taking any responsibility BEFORE they do something. They must, therefore, clean up their mess afterwards.


6 posted on 02/10/2012 3:00:16 PM PST by GingisK
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To: MNDude
You already answered the question:

“... and don't feel it's right to make legal legislation about this.”

There is nothing “moderate” about murder, from those “who love” abortion, to those “ambiguous” about defining when life "begins. All for the same reasons...

7 posted on 02/10/2012 3:00:48 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: MNDude

Honestly, it is this simple.

When you can absolve your conscience from killing a child - when you can rationalize it away, you are a God unto yourself and accountable to none.

The leftists in love with abortion are merely placing their ‘godhood’ above God himself. They refuse the life under his rule and the love of abortion is mere the expression of the most repugnant thing possible.

“F-You God, your most precious creation is NOTHING to me.”

That’s all there is to it.


8 posted on 02/10/2012 3:01:12 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Saved by the power of Laz!)
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To: reagandemocrat

I honestly think the truly pro-abort people all the way back to Margaret Sanger are truly deranged/evil.


9 posted on 02/10/2012 3:03:09 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: MNDude

Liberals love abortion because they love to kill the helpless and innocent! They would NEVER stand up to an adult psycho with a knife or a gun because they are COWARDS!


10 posted on 02/10/2012 3:03:28 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: MNDude

Because it keeps down the excess population..................


11 posted on 02/10/2012 3:04:22 PM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: MNDude

I have seen a few, notably Kate Michelman of NARAL infamy, who seem to think every woman should get pregnant, one way or another, and have an abortion, “just to prove they can”.

The line of thought appears to be to prove you can a) create life and b) destroy life.

Not having done that, you’re not a complete woman.


12 posted on 02/10/2012 3:04:47 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bigdirty

here’s what I think it is:

Most of them have had abortions themselves (probably when they were very young) because at the time they felt they had no choice (and were maybe pressured by their partner or a parent), and now refuse to admit that it was murder because that would make THEM a murderer.


13 posted on 02/10/2012 3:07:53 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: MNDude

Why do people love to murder children and people in general and protect those who do it?
Why do people love to protect the innocent from murder?

It comes down to this.

Some people are geared toward death and worship it and then there are the rest who are geared toward life and worship it.

God says, “Do not murder,” and He also says, “Choose life.”

As long life-oriented people can have the most children and teach them to lead a consistent, life-oriented (Godly) life then it won’t be long until those who worship death - the Leftists - become an extremely small minority.


14 posted on 02/10/2012 3:09:08 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MNDude

Because they view every soul, every life as a burden to society! One more mouth to feed, one more dependant on the state.

It’s also why they endorse euthanasia.


15 posted on 02/10/2012 3:10:53 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: MNDude
Like all liberals, they want all reward and no risk.

Also explains their disdain for capitalism, BTW.

16 posted on 02/10/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: Norm Lenhart

How can they enjoy such evil as baby killings? The very thought of it scares the hell right out of me. Being cast into a fiery hell forever is the absolute worst thing imaginable—— gosh that scares me... Thank You Savior Jesus for heaven!


17 posted on 02/10/2012 3:11:37 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: BwanaNdege
That is it plain and simple. Actually, I think it is time we all start speaking in more terms that deal with the things of the Spirit and not Conservative vs. Liberal.

Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

It is high time we rip the scales off our eyes and call things as they really are. Liberalism is just another form of atheism. They serve Satan plain and simple! Some know it, but most do not. They are pawns in his scheme.

To not look around and see that we are fast approaching the day of Jacob's trouble is to be blind, IMO. It is time that God's people start to blow the trumpets!

18 posted on 02/10/2012 3:12:45 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (No Jesus, No Peace! Know Jesus, Know Peace!)
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To: MNDude

Because they hate God.

Seriously.


19 posted on 02/10/2012 3:13:10 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: MNDude

They basically hate people. They think we are a blight on the planet.


20 posted on 02/10/2012 3:14:16 PM PST by DManA
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To: MNDude

Its because they worship social engineering.
They see bad consequences of bad partnerships and believe that they can prevent that suffering.

At the core of it, Liberals have a God complex.


21 posted on 02/10/2012 3:16:04 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MNDude

Because the innocence of a child shines an accusing light on their maggot-ridden souls.


22 posted on 02/10/2012 3:16:04 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Pretty much.


23 posted on 02/10/2012 3:17:28 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DManA

And deep down inside them they hate themselves.


24 posted on 02/10/2012 3:17:38 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
it is a power thing.

Yes - it is. The extinguishing of human life without consequence is the ultimate expression of power; it is power's holy sacrament. It is ghoulish and monstrous beyond belief. And it is gaining the upper hand in our world today. We alone here in America stand against it today.

25 posted on 02/10/2012 3:18:22 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: MNDude

Liberals and ignoramuses like the OWSers are always looking for consequence-free sex. Simple. Promiscuous sex is a right to them, and they don’t want any interference or any consequences. (Nobody has said anything about self-control or respect for their partners, either, not to mention the life of the baby...)


26 posted on 02/10/2012 3:19:07 PM PST by redhead (Don't take what doesn't belong to you. LIFE BELONGS TO GOD.)
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To: GingisK
They are incapable of taking any responsibility BEFORE they do something. They must, therefore, clean up their mess afterwards.

Actually, they insist that someone else clean up their mess at someone else's expense.

27 posted on 02/10/2012 3:20:23 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: FReepers

this would be a good time to help FR, click the pic
thank you!

28 posted on 02/10/2012 3:20:40 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: MNDude
I think it's puzzling that liberals (usually) are trying to kill their own babies while conservatives are trying to save them. That we would care more about their offspring than they do is...unexplainable.

Also, I wonder what the black population (percentage wise)would be in the US had they not aborted so many babies... I wonder if THEY ever wonder that. Seems to me, they made up about 13% 35 years ago and it's about the same now. Maybe I'm mistaken? Surely, they should be at 20% by now?

29 posted on 02/10/2012 3:21:20 PM PST by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: MNDude

It depends what kind of liberal you’re talking about. They love it for one or more reasons.

Feminists love it for power over men. Supposedly. It’s really just killing off their own children. But if it hurts a guy, that’s what’s important.

Population nuts love it because it reduces the population of people, which they view as the source of all problems in the world.

Certain liberals love it because they use it as a wedge issue to keep certain groups against each other, rather than focusing on them (the liberals).

Some liberals love it because they make a living at it, one way or another.

Some liberals love it because it hurts people.

Some liberals love it because it’s blood sacrifice. ANd there is power in that blood sacrifice.

Some liberals love it because anything they can do to strike at the church and Christians, they will keep doing.

Some love it because they believe it’s better for certain kids not to be born, for any variety of reasons.

Many libs have overlapping reasons.


30 posted on 02/10/2012 3:21:40 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MNDude

Liberals love abortion for the following reasons:

It plays into the “sexual freedom” movement of the 60’s and the unrestrained expression of frustrated juvenile libido, the suppression of which, in influential psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich’s catachism, leads to sadistic-authoritarian types. There is some evidence that this is the case.

It lessens the value of human life and increases tolerance for “assisted death” programs and subsequent incremental ratcheting of various forms of eugenics type FEMA euthenasia “camps”

It amplifies social philosophies of “being in the moment” and “live for today” in an attempt to engineer out of our society a sense of future for making responsible planning decisions. This becomes the carnival playground for hedonists and parasites as well as bread and circuses media designed to bandaid the misery and suffering that will follow this paradigm shift.

It works alongside the neo-Malthusian “overpopulation” initiative designed to remove 4 billion human beings from this planet one way or another. It justifies as an alternative, the genetic manipulation of agricultural seed stocks that carry human sterility potential, an existent technology and one, if adopted, will lead to God knows what manipulations of human genetics. Show Monsanto how much you like this idea with a message tied to a brick.

The left is one big hormone clogged juvenile delinquent.

On the other hand, the right has yet to mobilize effectively against a far more massive evil- The Federal Reserve System. Break out that box of old John Birch literature, troops, Smedley Butler got his chops on the bugle.


31 posted on 02/10/2012 3:22:35 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: MNDude
If so, could you offer some insight on their mentality?

Secular humanist libtards are ethical relativists. They want an scientific ethics based on birth control and abortion.According to Corliss Lamont, a primary reason for the enormous importance given to genital faithfulness and unfaithfulness was the lack of reliable birth-control techniques. Now that those techniques, including abortion, are generally available, this importance has more and more diminished

32 posted on 02/10/2012 3:24:11 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Noumenon

Well said


33 posted on 02/10/2012 3:25:04 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I STAND WITH ISRAEL)
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To: MNDude

Because they are all ghouls!


34 posted on 02/10/2012 3:25:38 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MNDude

Unencumbered sex.

No consequences.


35 posted on 02/10/2012 3:29:10 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

“Abortion is the ultimate slap in the face of humanity - it is a power thing.”

Sure, but look at it from Obama’s point of view. The right of the individual to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” can sure make it inconvenient for a politician trying to provide free infanticide for a voting constituency.


36 posted on 02/10/2012 3:31:16 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: reagandemocrat
They worship Moloch.

That's it. Just like their father, the devil, who tried to forestall the exodus to the promised land by killing Hebrew boy babies, then tried to drive them into the Red Sea. He tried to exterminate the progenitors of the Messiah while they were in Persia, under the wicked Haman. He tried to do away with the Messiah Himself by killing the innocent tots around Bethlehem under Herod. That's been his M.O.

To paraphrase Johnnie Cochrane, the devil would say, "If you want to thwart, you must abort!"

That's why the devil's followers like abortion so much.

37 posted on 02/10/2012 3:31:59 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: redhead

Lesbians run some abortion clinics. It’s a great place to pick up chicks. Abortion torments a woman’s soul. It leaves them vulnerable and hurting. After taking the life of their own flesh and blood, and often feeling abandoned by their husband or boyfriend, they are desperate for love and acceptance. Then they are open to advances by the twisted sexual predators.


38 posted on 02/10/2012 3:34:01 PM PST by Judges Gone Wild ("A republic, if you can keep it." - Benjamin Franklin www.ronpaul2012.com)
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To: MNDude

Libs always want to lower the bar. Once it is lowered far enough, they don’t have to feel guilty about how screwed up they are.

Want to kill a baby out of convenience? Don’t feel guilty - make it normal.

So screwed up you want to have sex with someone of the same gender? Don’t feel guilty - make it normal.

Don’t want to back up your own word and pay your bills? - Don’t feel guilty - make it normal.

On and on. Libs will do anything they can to excuse how screwed up they are.


39 posted on 02/10/2012 3:34:01 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: tflabo

When you are God, YOU are not going to cast yourself into hell. That’s how they look at it.

People have a hard time wrapping their head around the “God complex” and what it really, TRULY means. But as a thought experiment, pretend you were a God unto yourself. Really get into the details.

I come up to you and say “X is wrong”.

You then look at me like an ant or an ameoba because YOU rule your universe and YOUR reality is all there is. MY reality is of NO CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER. Nor are my beliefs, wants, needs or desires.

The way we look at ignorant muslims is a mere fraction of the way a liberal looks at us.


40 posted on 02/10/2012 3:34:43 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Saved by the power of Laz!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“F-You God, your most precious creation is NOTHING to me.”

I think you are right. That said, why do you have the likes of Pelosi, the Kennedy’s, pick a liberal politician, who claims to be a “practicing Catholic,” and tell me why they still make that claim? And the corollary, why does the Catholic Church permit these people to remain members in good standing? Inquiring minds want to know. Have churches devolved into religious banks? Do you now get to decide which of the churches teachings you will abide? While we are going about cleaning up the country, we might want to do some housecleaning in our churches.


41 posted on 02/10/2012 3:36:34 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: MNDude

Since 40% of the abortions are for blacks even though they are only 12% of the population, it must be a racist thing. They are trying to keep down the black population.


42 posted on 02/10/2012 3:37:01 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I think some women deeply resent the pressures put upon them by their parents, society or some god-based morality that "irrationally" kept them from guilt-free "taking on" the whole football team, unlike their male counterparts, who were relatively free to get it on with any and all of the women's volleyball team that would have them.

These elite, young sluts lived their youth "knowing" there were dozens if not hundreds (thousands?) of young men that would've bedded them in an instant and they would've loved to reciprocate and notch their own bedposts, but for the fear of "being punished with a baby."

They grew tremendously toward resenting being differentially burdened, just because they were female. Even if their resentment wasn't for themselves, they also could identify with their sistahs, or want their daughters vicariously to have what they couldn't--or at least keep that "avenue" open.

Abortion for them has been a great equalizer, but only when it's completely free, to boot!

Thus did their hearts become hardened, through their temptations.

HF

43 posted on 02/10/2012 3:39:00 PM PST by holden
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To: MNDude

biology “discriminates” against women because they can’t, like men, have consequence free sex — pregnancy being the “consequence”. this is their way of using the federal government to correct the “injustice” committed by biology.

I think it’s literally that bizarre.


44 posted on 02/10/2012 3:39:00 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: MNDude

At the root of it, I think most radical, pro-abortion “feminists” (ironically) hate being women. They feel that they were unfairly dealt the wrong cards.

There is nothing but hate and anger that propels many of them on a daily basis, and supporting abortion allows them to “play God”- the ultimate middle finger at Nature.


45 posted on 02/10/2012 3:39:35 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: MNDude

They believe that, without it, women are not equal. The pendulum has swung too far and it is going to hit them in the head on the way back.


46 posted on 02/10/2012 3:41:23 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: MNDude

An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. These people and spouses have to justify the act. Without justification they are murderers. So they go out of their way to assuage their guilt.


47 posted on 02/10/2012 3:41:49 PM PST by BushCountry (I hope the Mayans are wrong!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’m thinking it’s got to have more than sexual freedom without consequenses. I mean, look at all the older women or sexless lesbians that also love it.

I believe some leader from NOW once said “if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” This comment sort of lets you see a little into their true feelings about abortion.


48 posted on 02/10/2012 3:42:10 PM PST by MNDude
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To: vette6387

Easy. Divide and conquor. Spies/espionage/corrupt from within.

Pit the power of politics against the teachings of the church. . After all, a HIGHLY respected person like Teddy or Nancy would never lie. They have too much to loose! (Yea right)

And consider that Nancy is telling the Bishops/cardinals behind the scenes (You will go along with this, you will play the game or you get your tax status changed.

Don’t doubt that some version of that occurs daily on an issue by issue basis.


49 posted on 02/10/2012 3:42:55 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Saved by the power of Laz!)
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To: MNDude

That’s part of it to be sure.


50 posted on 02/10/2012 3:44:19 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Saved by the power of Laz!)
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