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Bishops Were Prepared for Battle Over Birth Control Coverage
The New York Times ^ | Feb 9, 2012 | By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 02/10/2012 4:07:25 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

When ...the Obama administration finally announced its decision to require religiously affiliated [organizations] to cover birth control in their insurance plans, the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops were fully prepared for battle.

Seven months earlier, they had started laying the groundwork for a major new campaign ... But the birth control mandate, issued on Jan. 20, was their Pearl Harbor.

Hours after President Obama phoned to share his decision with Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan of New York ...the USCCB posted on its Web site a video of Archbishop Dolan, which had been recorded the day before. “Never before,” Archbishop Dolan said, setting the tone, “has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience .”

But Catholics may be persuaded by the argument that the mandate is a violation of religious liberty. [S]everal prominent Catholic Democrats who supported Mr. Obama in 2008... have broken with him on the birth control mandate.

Michael Sean Winters, a writer for National Catholic Reporter, a liberal independent weekly, said: “I think they misjudged that no matter what people think about contraception, that’s an internal Catholic debate. Catholics do not like interlopers.”

Douglas W. Kmiec, who served as ambassador to Malta under Mr. Obama and is now a professor of constitutional law at Pepperdine University, said he was disappointed that such a divisive course was chosen by a president who urged respect for others’ religious traditions. “For people attracted to him for those reasons, who applaud the very passage of the health care law, we are just sort of baffled by this,” Mr. Kmiec said. “Especially when the train wreck was foreseen, and we kept saying, ‘Not this track, not this track.’ And here came the train and ran us all over.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bishops; catholic; hhs; obamacare
I excerpted heavily, but go to the link because its an interesting read. As the lies hurtle around the world again and again and again, are the Bishops finally tying their shoes?

Or (to change the metaphor) are their finally putting away the checker board and learning to play chess

Oremus.

1 posted on 02/10/2012 4:07:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Do Catholic Institutions get a break with the cost of health care from providers because of the reduced coverage, or is it just a wink, wink, nod, nod?

Still don't understand it.

2 posted on 02/10/2012 4:13:05 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Bishops probably still think the Democrats mean well.

How utterly stupid of them.

3 posted on 02/10/2012 4:13:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTTRFL

Wish there was a way to set a reminder to read this. I’m on my phone in Utah and can read full article right now.


4 posted on 02/10/2012 4:18:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Winters, a writer for National Catholic Reporter, a liberal independent weekly, said: “...Catholics do not like interlopers.”

Many things I would call it. "Interloping" is not among them.

5 posted on 02/10/2012 4:18:45 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: muawiyah
Sometimes commies take conservative positions because to not do so would put an end to all of their subversion. If I called the shots, they'd still be drummed out on their apostate cans.
6 posted on 02/10/2012 4:19:57 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It is my opinion that the Bishops should continue their battle. Obama is using smoke, mirrors and bs.


7 posted on 02/10/2012 4:20:38 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland ( Santorum/Palin 2012, the rest stink...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"...we are just sort of baffled by this," Mr. Kmiec said.

Many things one might be; just-sort-of-baffled should not be among them.

8 posted on 02/10/2012 4:21:39 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Bishops should wake up. He didn’t fix anything. They still would have to provide the service against their will even though its paid for by insurance companies.


9 posted on 02/10/2012 4:29:23 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Obama is killing himself laughing. Now birth control and morning after pills are an entitlements, and a free one. This genie is never going back into the bottle.


10 posted on 02/10/2012 4:30:00 PM PST by HChampagne
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I wouldn`t expect this to be a major political problem for 0bama. With “American Idol” back on the tube, most Americans aren`t even paying attention to the issue, and among those who are, at least half (if reflective of national poll #s) are going to support 0bama`s stance anyway.

Come November, this will all be long forgotten.


11 posted on 02/10/2012 4:36:16 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Keen-Minded

The bishops just needed a minor CYA and it appears they got it. Now it`s back to defending 0bama`s social justice agenda.


12 posted on 02/10/2012 4:40:01 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: ScottinVA

I doubt many Catholics are fooled by this Marxist Demon.


13 posted on 02/10/2012 4:47:16 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

We`ll see. IIRC, the RC leadership seemed quite happy with Obamacare and Cap & Tax.


14 posted on 02/10/2012 5:00:24 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.


15 posted on 02/10/2012 6:12:19 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

““For people attracted to him for those reasons, who applaud the very passage of the health care law, we are just sort of baffled by this,” Mr. Kmiec said. “Especially when the train wreck was foreseen, and we kept saying, ‘Not this track, not this track.’ And here came the train and ran us all over.”

For those that recall kemic and how we were baffled at his support of Obama it is interesting to see that he still is Baffled. I know Doug (I have eaten lunch with both he and his wife, my guess is none of you have) . The man’s mind is beyond brilliant in terms of Constitutional law.... DONT EVEN SCOFF believe me.... BUT HERE IS MY POINT. You can be a freaking off the chart brilliant scholar... AND not have wisdom and discernment... THOSE are the qualities we need to pray for in our leaders....


16 posted on 02/10/2012 6:19:38 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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“Mr. Kmiec said. “Especially when the train wreck was foreseen” -

The Obama train wreck was not unforeseen, it was predictable for anyone paying attention.


17 posted on 02/10/2012 6:49:11 PM PST by Jenny217
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To: Mrs. Don-o
**WERE**?? I believe theh still ARE!

<The Obama HHS 'Compromise' Switches the Tiger for the Lion (Not all Catholics buying Obama's bull)
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Southern Baptist leader: Obama gave Christians ‘the dismissive back’ of his hand
Obama's Act of Tyranny
Bishops Were Prepared for Battle Over Birth Control Coverage

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Boehner vows to overturn Obama’s birth control coverage rule
Boehner: Congress to overturn birth control policy if Obama does not reverse course
O'Brien says Archdiocese of Baltimore won't offer birth control coverage
Archbishop of San Francisco says Obama ruling strikes at religious freedom
How Obama Lost the Catholic Vote
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Unholy War
Six Things Everyone Should Know about the HHS Mandate
Santorum: Obama Hostile to Christians
Understanding Oppostion to the HHS Mandate (Part 1): Why the Church Won’t Pay for Contracept

The Bishops Chickens Coming Home to Roost.
65 Orthodox Church bishops call on Obama to ‘rescind’ the ‘unjust’ contraception mandate
Doug Kmiec Writes Obama: 'Friendship Will Not Permit Me to Disregard Duty to Faith and Country'
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18 posted on 02/10/2012 8:28:37 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mckenzie7
Dear CV Friend,

What just happened?

The truth: the assault on religious liberty just got worse.

Moments ago President Obama introduced an accounting gimmick to appease voters over his recent Health and Human Services mandate. The so-called compromise will continue to force virtually all employers, including religious institutions, to pay into insurance policies that cover abortion drugs and other immoral medicines and procedures.

What's the catch?

To protect himself from the national backlash, the President announced a "compromise" that will allow religious institutions to withhold premiums paid to insurance companies for select medicines and procedures they believe are immoral.

But these immoral medicines and drugs will continue to be provided by the same insurance plans for free -- to everyone, including every employee of Catholic institutions!

So President Obama decided to use insurance companies to hide his assault on religious liberty.

Separating the premiums paid to insurance companies does not change what these policies will cover. The very same policies funded by religious institutions will continue to cover contraception, birth control, and abortion drugs for every employee of these organizations. To pretend, by an accounting gimmick, that the premiums paid by the employer will not subsidize these services is simply absurd.

Furthermore, self-funded insurance plans (like many of those used by Catholic institutions) will continue to be forced to provide these immoral medicines.

And owners of businesses who believe abortion drugs are immoral? Sorry. To hell with liberty. Pay up.

All Americans should shudder at what has just transpired.

Despite repeated promises during the healthcare debate in 2009, the President of the United States has created a sham conscience compromise, and ordered all insurance companies to pay for abortion drugs -- and all religious institutions will be forced to pay into these plans.

He thought he could get away with this assault on our freedom. We called him out and forced him to respond. Now we must call his bluff.

This isn't the end.

CV President Brian Burch has been on the phone all morning with members of Congress urging them to immediately introduce legislation that will protect the conscience rights of all Americans.

Catholics don't want an accounting gimmick.

We want freedom.

And we won't rest until we get it.


- Your Friends at CatholicVote.org


19 posted on 02/10/2012 8:29:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: muawiyah

When 95 percent of the U. S. dioceses and their bishops speak out against Obama — I don’t think it stupid of them.


20 posted on 02/10/2012 8:30:15 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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"such a divisive course was chosen by a president who urged respect for others’ religious traditions" -- he urged respect for Moslems... but steps on the rights of Christians... says a lot...

even CINOs are seeing the two-faced liar that he is. Obama OUT.

21 posted on 02/10/2012 9:01:09 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: xzins
xzins -- is what the article on the NYT says, true?

The public policy arm of the United Methodist Church, which like the Catholic Church, runs hospitals and universities across the country, has applauded the mandate to cover contraception?

22 posted on 02/10/2012 9:05:08 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: All

this is a violation not of just Catholics’ liberty or even just of religious liberty, but forcing people to pay for what they don’t want to — since when is a contraceptive something for “health”?


23 posted on 02/10/2012 9:07:00 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos
For the most part the Business Arm of the United Methodist Church (which includes the agency from which local churches get their ministers) is a godless, secular, heathenish non religious operation and has been that way for a very long time.

That doesn't mean there are no Christians in the UMC, but it does mean that their hierarchy is ultimately more corrupt than most.

There are several reasons this happened: Retirement Funds, Homosexuals, Abortionists. Property and casualty liability may well be part of the problem too.

24 posted on 02/11/2012 4:03:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Salvation
If they don't continue speaking out then that would mean....... they've been hornswaggled perhaps?
25 posted on 02/11/2012 4:11:03 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Salvation
If they don't continue speaking out then that would mean....... they've been hornswaggled perhaps?
26 posted on 02/11/2012 4:11:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Salvation

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/returntorome/2012/02/return-to-rome-special-posting-catholic-bishops-only-internal-briefing-on-the-hhs-regulations-compromise/ That was just dropped into an FR thread. Looks like they were prepared for Obama’s noncompliance with his own promise. The man does not know the difference between right and wrong, slavery and freedom, or which way is up. What a tragic loss he has been ~


27 posted on 02/11/2012 4:40:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cronos

There is no “public policy arm” of the United Methodist Church. What we have is a denomination that has a meeting every 4 years and ONLY that meeting speaks for the United Methodist Church. That meeting is called “General Conference”.

There is NO body that can address what the UMC “thinks” about any issue in the interim. Interestingly, this spring that 4 year General Conference will meet.

The denomination does, however, have a variety of boards and agencies that work during the 4 year intervals to implement the decisions of the GC.

One of those boards is the “Board of Church and Society”. It has a liberal named Jim Winkler at its head. Winkler enjoys stirring things with news releases of an extremely liberal bent.

I expect the GC to smack him down this spring. I’d love to see them replace him, but that is a different process, so I doubt it will happen, especially with so many liberal bishops.

As it stands, the GC this year will continue to disapprove of gay ministers and marriage; it will probably continue to walk toward a more pro-life position, hopefully (finally) reaching a RILOM (RapeIncestLifeofMother) position this year.

We still suffer from the 70’s when the church hierarchy was seized by liberals while the conservatives slept. With a meeting only every 4 years, changing the course of this denomination is extremely slow. However, will proportional delegate assignment based on size of membership in any geographic region, a more moderate voice is slowly emerging. Africa is conservative and the fastest growing. The southeast and southwest have some marked conservative growth. All the liberal areas are shrinking like crazy, and the midwest is stagnant to declining.


28 posted on 02/11/2012 6:40:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Salvation
Thanks for your explanation It is more understandable than others that I have read.
29 posted on 02/11/2012 4:09:24 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Salvation
Thanks for your explanation It is more understandable than others that I have read.
30 posted on 02/11/2012 4:09:40 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: mckenzie7; alice_in_bubbaland; Lady Lucky
McKenzie: No, it's not "reduced" anything.

The first offer was: fertility-toxic and baby-toxic drugs for all with no co-pays, and you-all will pay for it, via insurance.

The second offer was: fertility-toxic and baby-toxic drugs for all with no co-pays, and insurance will pay for it, via you-all.

Many bishop's remarks against this have been strong --- they are not, I am sorry to say, nearly strong enough.

The problem is not “just” that the HHS mandate will be funded by religious organizations, which is brutally offensive in itself. But even worse is that any, each, and all of us are being forced in exactly the way. Connie Sulkowski who runs a real estate office, and Tony Rios who owns a couple of restaurants, and Chuck Schmidt who employs a workforce of 50 in his printing plant. They should not be forced to euthanize their consciences to subsidize products and services they find morally repugnant.

The fact is that every person legally resident in America (with a few sharia compliant exceptions) will be required, like it or not, to purchase services that are ethically corrupt. To cover them 100% without co-pay. And we will have no alternative except coercive penalties (fines) and, if it comes to that, imprisonment.

The underlying issue isn’t even birth control. It’s Total control --- Total State Control --- of our bodies and our souls.

It’s not just the separation of Church and State. It’s the separation of moral choice from real life.

Obamacare is totalitarian, and it has to go. The whole thing. That is what the bishops should be saying.

Re: Obama (the tagline)

31 posted on 02/12/2012 4:02:54 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("May his days be few; may another take his place." Psalm 109:9)
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To: ScottinVA

No: they’ve already rejected it. Cynicism will not help now. Cheering the bishops might.

They know Obama doesn’t want dialogue and compromise. He wants their guts in a Hefty bag.


32 posted on 02/12/2012 4:04:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("May his days be few; may another take his place." Psalm 109:9)
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To: Salvation

I love you, Salvation, for this terrific list!


33 posted on 02/12/2012 4:13:35 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And we will have no alternative except coercive penalties (fines) and, if it comes to that, imprisonment.

Among other problems there are not enough prisons to deal with all the people against this mandate in principle. But then, there may not be enough people standing ready to resist.

34 posted on 02/12/2012 5:04:59 AM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Skepticism, not cynicism. I`m glad to hear they`ve rejected the fake “accommodation,” and I`m cheering that. However, they`re still down with much of Obama`s agenda.

And at the end of the day... Americans won`t care either way, so long as THEY don`t lose any of their goodies.


35 posted on 02/12/2012 7:46:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s our freedom of religion. We need to be appraised of all that is happening!

Thanks.


36 posted on 02/12/2012 5:14:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: muawiyah; xzins
That doesn't mean there are no Christians in the UMC,

Oh I know that -- xzins is the living proof that there are Christians -- in fact deep, believing orthodox Christians in the UMC fighting the good fight.

For long I have believed that those within these denominations MUST keep fighting to take back control from the liberals and we outside MUST help them not just by prayer but by all other means. However now I have started to despair of that...

37 posted on 02/12/2012 11:38:32 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: xzins
I expect the GC to smack him down this spring

i'm rooting for you! Fight! Fight! kick out the liberals!

We still suffer from the 70’s when the church hierarchy was seized by liberals while the conservatives slept -- I have a sneaky feeling that this is the time when a lot of conservatives were sleeping. Also, this should serve as a warning to all of us even those in denominations not touched by liberalism that they need to be on their guard.

38 posted on 02/12/2012 11:40:30 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: ScottinVA

“Come November, this will all be long forgotten.” **From another poster: “some conservative blog sites are speculating that Obama may have purposefully gone after Catholic issues, such as contraception, sterilization and abortion in medical insurance, in order to bait and drive up Santorum’s visibility on social issues.”

The reason? Obama doesn’t want his opponents emphasizing how awful the economy is right now. It isn’t improving, jobs are scarce, and big labor is making political moves under the radar, moves Santorum will ignore because he supports labor unions.


39 posted on 02/13/2012 12:04:48 AM PST by anglian
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To: Cronos

The solution to the UMC problem is to have it devolve back to its ethnic church roots. That will remove the top end financial incentives that attract those of a criminal mind to the cloth.


40 posted on 02/13/2012 5:42:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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