Skip to comments.Facebook Dad's Response to Media Outlet (LOVE IT)
Posted on 02/11/2012 8:48:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, Ill take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. Youll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did you decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because its a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook my answer is this: Because thats how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didnt remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought Well, Ill just wait it out and Ill get it back eventually. Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she wont ever forget and itll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, shell remember it and wish she hadnt done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We dont give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what its like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when youre young. Most of the things she has that are cool were bought or gifted that way. Shes always asked for very few things, but theyre always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. Thats not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but its not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because shes got parents. Its not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee shell NEVER leave it outside at night. Shell be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. Shell value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. Shes known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if youre too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, Im certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with I cant believe you shot my computer! That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after shed had time to process it and Id had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce you know that uncomfortable moment when youre in the kitchen with your child after an argument and youre both waiting to see which ones going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because shes too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was Dude its only a computer. I mean, yeah Im mad but pfft. She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasnt too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, Ill definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. Shes seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you cant take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
There is hope for this great republic.
With a father like that and the lesson’s he is teaching her. . . wow. . .our nation may yet survive the me-me-me-and-I-want-your-stuff-because-you-owe-me Obama culture.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar.
By destroying a valuable laptop. Could have achieved the same lesson by contributing it to a school or charity.
Oh, terrific letter. Thanks for posting.
Some of the idiotic comments he quoted were made right here on FR. I have no problem with what he did.
Agreed, this father is suffering from the same idiotic behavior as his daughter. He’s just displaying it in a different way. Punishment should be kept in house. Destroying the laptop does the exact opposite of showing her the value of a dollar. That’s the kind of thing people who don’t know the value of a dollar would do.
I couldn’t help but thinking that in some ways the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. In the video, he commented on his daughter’s language in her facebook post, yet in his understandable anger, used some of the same language.
He knows his daughter better than I but when I was her age I probably would have dug my heals in further.
Sorry to be late to the party, but WHAT did she put on her Face Book page that generated her father’s response/reaction?
Father of the Year, IMHO.
I could not disagree with you more vehemently if I tried
What I saw was a grown man having a temper tantrum. With a gun.
Check the video at the link. He reads her post from hard copy.
You might want to look at this post that he also made on his facebook page...concerns your concerns about his parenting skills:
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I’ll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren’t the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I’m always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn’t it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point:
I’ve received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there’s literally MILLIONS of them. I’ll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today’s world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you’ve graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I’m not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you’re too lazy to get a job, then yes, I’m talking to you. Half of that is the parent’s fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent’s fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It’s your kid.. so no matter what it’s ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I’ll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me “Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can’t get the equation to come out right.” I said “sure” and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can’t remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said “Honey, why don’t you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It’s pretty easy.”
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! “You can’t do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!”
I stared at her dumbfounded. “Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?”
Her response was “Well, we’re not taught that. We’re just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer.”
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she’s right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn’t teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That’s cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking “writing” out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that’s it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I’m NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler’s sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don’t learn math, you don’t learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don’t apparently learn grammar either because I’ve SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it’s OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You’ve obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You’ve recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won’t let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won’t let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I’m mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I’d really love to though.. really, seriously!)
“Modern” parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can’t do anything and have no skills because they’re protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your “modern” parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
I didn't see the FB page yet, but as to the material value of a computer, I think it's secondary. "If your right hand is an occasion of sin to you, cut it off."
I didn’t post it
I swooned over this man when I watched this yesterday.
He sure has the media pegged, doesn't he?
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