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Sheriff Paul Babeau: Fast and Furious scandal is far from over
Hotair ^ | February 11, 2012 | Tina Korbe

Posted on 02/11/2012 7:41:49 PM PST by Rabin

This is a larger scandal than anything like Watergate, Nobody died there. People lied and there was a cover-up.

Here, there’s lies and cover-ups and we still don’t have the answers, but people have been killed.

Fourteen hundred of these guns are still outstanding; other people will die from actions of Eric Holder and the Department of Justice.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: atf; babeau; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama; sheriff
Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu is in the congressional race to represent Arizona’s newly-created fourth district.

R.

1 posted on 02/11/2012 7:41:58 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Rabin

Read an article title on FR that said Issa has caved on bringing Holder up on charges! True?


2 posted on 02/11/2012 7:46:21 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I thought the crying Speaker of the House is the one putting a stop to Issa. Girly-boy Boehner lost his stones?


3 posted on 02/11/2012 7:49:15 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Rabin

I agree. This scandal is much bigger than Watergate. The media is failing once again.


4 posted on 02/11/2012 7:53:46 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Red_Devil 232; SERKIT
You're both right. Read the original article here.

Boehner has no balls. We're talking about murder here. Murder of a federal agent. This is outrageous.

I have no doubt that Issa, et al are doing all they can to get to the bottom of this. Unfortunately, they are getting little support from higher ups.

5 posted on 02/11/2012 8:10:32 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: SERKIT

Of course I don’t know what is going on but is Issa folds on this quest to find the truth about Holder’s involvement in GR then I have to believe he was pressured by the Elite DC Establishment!


6 posted on 02/11/2012 8:14:38 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I’m about ready to see Issa brought up on charges of failure to do his job.

How do we know when it’s just a case of gutless incompetence vs. when the investigator becomes part of the cover-up?

This whole deal stinks to high heaven!


7 posted on 02/11/2012 8:17:28 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Rabin

is this like peppermint patty used to say to linus, her “sweet babeu”???


8 posted on 02/11/2012 8:26:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Read an article title on FR that said Issa has caved on bringing Holder up on charges! True?”

From what I’ve read true! And the backstory is that Boner is behind the cave in. We need to get rid of that pathetic jerk! Come on Ohio, can’t you give us someone decent? I don’t think Boner has any backbone at all!


9 posted on 02/11/2012 8:26:59 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: upchuck
Two federal agents.

Jaime Zapata & Brian Terry.

10 posted on 02/11/2012 8:27:27 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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Zero is a drug President. I am not surprized he would support the drug business. It’s all the fluff power change talk of the day.


11 posted on 02/11/2012 8:44:01 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Red 232, “Girly-boy Boehner lost his stones?”

Boehner, like his Senate counterpart, 3 Tranche Mitch. May seem weepy and snively, but they are not girly boys. They are New Plantation, Good Old Boys.

Issa is a roughneck marching to his own drummer, and his faithful sidekick Grassley, is a good man with ethanol baggage. Neither takes well to Bullying.

Rab


12 posted on 02/11/2012 8:57:13 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Rabin
the wagons have been circled and the rulers on both sides of the isle are in protect each other mode. Nothing at all will come of this now. The fix is in and we may as well stop wasting time on it. Another example of the people getting the gov’t they deserve.
13 posted on 02/11/2012 9:01:40 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Rabin

Fast and Furious does not compare in the least with Watergate. Not in the slightest. Nixon was a Republican.


14 posted on 02/11/2012 9:01:40 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: upchuck

Don’t forget that agent Victor Avila was also wounded with a F&F firearm (purchased in Italy, Texas).


15 posted on 02/11/2012 9:13:39 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Rabin
This is a larger scandal than anything like Watergate, Nobody died there. People lied and there was a cover-up.

Here, there’s lies and cover-ups and we still don’t have the answers, but people have been killed.

HOORAY Tina Korbe AND Sheriff Paul Babeu!

Innocent people and law enforcement DEAD? It doesn't matter who or how many die when totalitarians have a pre-meditated agenda to drive.

FUEH

FUDF

FUBO

16 posted on 02/11/2012 9:24:20 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Republican1795.
The media = Team Obama
17 posted on 02/11/2012 9:29:16 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: paul51

paul, “The fix is in and we may as well stop wasting time on it”

Too cool, new version of “nothin here folks, just move on”.

Now you say “sumthin here folks, just give up”.

mMMmmmuu ya Sure

R.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 9:35:04 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Deaf Smith

No one knows where the guns came from that ICE agent Avila was shot with because the hit team left the scene and was never identified or captured. You’re thinking of the SKS bought by an FBI CI found at the scene of BP agent Terry’s murder.


19 posted on 02/11/2012 9:36:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Republican1795.

No, the media is in on it.

You have to realize the Global Marxists include the media.

Soros, Trumka, Jeffrey Immelt and Sulzberger are all all on the same team.


20 posted on 02/11/2012 9:46:00 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: bigbob
"I’m about ready to see Issa brought up on charges of failure to do his job."

Don't blame Issa- Bring Boehner up on charges, along with holder and buckwheat.

21 posted on 02/11/2012 10:02:25 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama has definitely earned a second term- 99 years in Leavenworth USP.)
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To: vette6387

“Come on Ohio, can’t you give us someone decent?”

It’s certain that many Ohioans would be better suited than Boehner, however, he’s there.

As an Ohioan, I would gladly see Boehner cast aside and replaced.

The world watches in disgust.


22 posted on 02/11/2012 10:28:55 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: TigersEye

Tig, “No one knows where the guns came from that ICE agent Avila...”

Sure, no one knows. Shoot Vic doen’t even cares, any more.

“SKS bought by an FBI CI found at the scene of BP.”

Shoot, “BP” Bryon, doesn’t even care anymore.

A lot of very good Mexicans and Americans don’t care anymore. But ifn they could, they would holler, “The Nothing is on our Southern horizon. Its engine is fueled from the darkness in the northeast.”

” No one knows?”. Some no longer care.

Rab.


23 posted on 02/11/2012 10:51:18 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Rabin

I have no idea what you just said. My post simply stated a fact that it is not known what the source was of the weapons used to ambush ICE agent Avila because none were recovered.


24 posted on 02/11/2012 11:10:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wac3rd

Which explains why they are failing.


25 posted on 02/12/2012 12:31:43 AM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Rabin

Ping


26 posted on 02/12/2012 1:01:52 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: SERKIT

You cannot lose what you never had.


27 posted on 02/12/2012 4:42:31 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Rabin

If nothing comes of this with all of the facts we have, the Republican party may as well fold up shop.

Am disgusted beyond belief.


28 posted on 02/12/2012 5:30:01 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Rabin

It is the media’s obligation to protect not only a democrat administration but a Nobel Peace Prize winner as well. If our only hope is o’romney then we are truly doomed. It’s going to come to a point where I will just not care anymore, pack up and move to ????? Will the last man out please shut off the light?


29 posted on 02/12/2012 6:05:23 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Rabin

FWIW...IMHO....F&F/GunWalker will prove out to be a Bipartisan Attack from DC on the Second Amendment....


30 posted on 02/12/2012 6:07:15 AM PST by mo
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To: Rabin
until the people decide to pick up their rifles and clean up the whole mess up, the fix is in. No amount of talking writing , voting or hearings is going to change anything. That should be painfully clear by now
31 posted on 02/12/2012 7:03:59 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

And Zero is there to make sure none of the Border Patrol gets combat pay. Thanks Rabin.


32 posted on 02/12/2012 7:14:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: TigersEye

The arrest of the killers
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/article/6-Zetas-arrested-in-death-of-agent-1028116.php
The testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCODft0Usgo
The Texas arrest
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/05/nation/la-na-gun-arrests-20110302
*Note that there are no links from the Dallas Morning News or the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. They will never cover this scandal/crime.


33 posted on 02/12/2012 8:28:31 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith
My apologies. I thought you had confused the circumstances of the Zapata and Terry incidents. Thank you for those links. Bookmarked. I didn't think they had caught any of the perps involved in the Zapata-Avila shooting. I can't find it now but Issa had said in an interview about the guns used in that shooting that "we may never know if they were F&F guns." Anyway, this is what I thought you were referring to...

FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)

The federal government will still not reveal if one of the two WASR-10 AK-pattern semi-automatic rifles located near the scene — provided to the Sinaloa cartel via Operation Fast and Furious — was the weapon that put a bullet through Brian Terry’s heart. The existence of a third recovered gun, an SKS carbine, has been disputed by the FBI despite the fact it had been talked about openly in the beginning of the investigation among federal agents.

Multiple sources tell PJM that this third weapon “disappeared” because it was the weapon carried by the FBI CI who ran the rip crew. When it was recovered near the scene of the murder and subsequently traced by the ATF, it traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased.


34 posted on 02/12/2012 4:14:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
"traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased."

Which could be why there is no status of the three arrested in the third link I provided.

I just wanted to be sure that you knew that there were three agents that were shot by F&F guns.

35 posted on 02/12/2012 6:08:50 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith
"traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased."

That was a gun found at Brian Terry's murder so we are talking about a different gun purchased in TX. It was not an F&F gun. I still didn't see where the guns used in the Zapata-Avila shooting had be identified as F&F guns. If any gun was bought in TX it was not an F&F gun because F&F was only an AZ ATF office operation.

36 posted on 02/12/2012 6:14:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798779/posts


37 posted on 02/12/2012 7:06:59 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: TigersEye
F&F was only an AZ ATF office operation.

I wonder if the operation was in fact bigger than they have admitted- and that is still being covered up. The reason I wonder is a few oddities that have happened lately that sound so much like F&F; the FBI agent that was recently convicted (in El Paso I think) of selling arms to Mexico- they are acting like he was a rogue but I wonder if he made his connections while involved in F&F or similiar operation. The other thing that makes me curious is the firearms dealer in Deming,NM and another near Las Cruces,NM that were arrested for trafficing firearms to Mexico- both have stories of dealing with law enforcement and federal agents as reasons they were involved. Could be truly dirty folks and not related. Due to the media not wanting to report much on any of these incidents I don't know enough about them to know really if there is a connection. That may be the point though.

38 posted on 02/12/2012 7:08:37 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: TigersEye

But you heard of it first from the UK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361684/Gun-used-kill-immigration-agent-Jaime-Zapata-traced-to-U-S.html


39 posted on 02/12/2012 7:20:24 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith
Not to nitpick but guns being bought by straw buyers from TX shops and tracked by ATF would have been overseen by the Dallas or Houston ATF offices. Project Gunrunner was the umbrella operation for the Dallas, Houston, Tucson and L.A. ATF office's operations. Fast and Furious is a name used by the Tucson ATF office. I haven't found specific names for the operations out of the other offices but it only makes sense that they had their own names for their own operations.

Here Cornyn makes a distinction between F&F and other "similar" operations in TX...

Cornyn Presses For Fast and Furious Probe in Texas

In August, Cornyn raised concerns that ATF may have run a similar operation in Texas, something bureau officials have denied.

Here is the ATF's own description of Project Gunrunner...

Project Gunrunner

Here is one of the first articles about the discovery that there were multiple operations like Fast and Furious. It incorrectly uses the name "Operation Gunwalker" (there was never an op by that name anywhere)...

Tip of the 'Gunwalker' iceberg? Are there MORE 'Operations Fast and Furious'?

"Lankford: Special Agent Dodson, let me ask you a series of questions, and this will be for several agents. Give me your best guess, and it's going to be just a guess on this. How many weapons do we have in the United States or in Mexico, that are out there, that are a result of "Fast and Furious," that we do not know where they are?"

"Dodson: Well sir, my best guess estimate at that, and remembering that Fast and Furious was one case, from one group, in one field division."

(snip)

He went on with numbers, of course (2,500 that BATFE facilitated the trafficking of, with from 300 to 800 since recovered), but today let's look at how Special Agent Dodson qualifiied those numbers: "Fast and Furious was one case, from one group, in one field division." The implication is, of course, that there could be other "Operations Fast and Furious," doing their own "gunwalking."

(snip)

Operation Fast and Furious, remember, was a Phoenix field division operation. Houston has its own field division. Any "gunwalking" in Houston would be a separate operation.


40 posted on 02/12/2012 8:42:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Tammy8

Please see post #40. :-)


41 posted on 02/12/2012 8:43:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Deaf Smith

I am not questioning that the guns traced back to U.S. gun shops at all.


42 posted on 02/12/2012 8:44:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Deaf Smith; Tammy8
Just found another article that clarifies it even more...

‘Gunwalker’ Deepens: Agent Zapata Killed By Gun From … Texas?

In addition to Phoenix and Florida, it appears the U.S. government had gunwalking operations based in Houston and Dallas.


43 posted on 02/12/2012 8:51:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Deaf Smith; Tammy8
Here is yet another one and it is even better...

The Dog That Hasn't Barked -- Yet. The Texas Connection to the Gunwalker Scandal. - Sipsey Street Irregulars

FWIW I am finding these by mining Nachum's List. I spent more than an hour making specific searches on a search engine and got less than I'm finding there.

44 posted on 02/12/2012 9:08:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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Another article about the Houston, Texas ATF op but still no name for it.

Congressional Inquiries Turn To Houston Over Gun Trafficking Investigation

45 posted on 02/12/2012 9:17:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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Here is another ATF "gun walking" op that must have been run out of an Indiana or Illinois office. No name for it either.

ATF Death Watch 75: ATF-Enabled Indiana Guns Went to Chicago Gangs

46 posted on 02/12/2012 9:23:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Thank you for posting that, I really think if a REAL investigation is done we will find this is bigger than anyone imagines.


47 posted on 02/13/2012 8:05:18 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Republican1795.; All
I agree. This scandal is much bigger than Watergate. The media is failing once again.

I disagree. From the MSM standpoint, they are succeeding in saving the Obama administration by ignoring most of the story and spinning the rest as being caused by a combination of President Bush policies and lack of sufficient gun control laws.

48 posted on 02/13/2012 8:13:53 AM PST by marktwain
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