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Would Newt Gingrich rely on David Barton for advice and council?
WallBuilders Live clip (37 seconds) ^ | September 2nd, 2010 | Gingrich interview

Posted on 02/12/2012 7:31:45 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Green: Mr. Speaker, my wife and I were really wanting to be able to vote for you for president two years ago. Are we going to get to do that in 2012?

Gingrich: All I can tell you is that sometime in February or March, Calista and I and our family will be making this decision. As you know, I'm a great admirer of your work and of all you've done to teach Americans about their history and the roots of American freedom. And I can assure you that if we do decide to run next year, we're promptly going to call you and say "we need your help, and we need your advice, and we need your counsel." It's more than a voting matter. If we decide to run, David, we're going to need you.


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I originally found this on a far left wing website, but I didn't see this anywhere on the conservative side. It should be, and now it is.
1 posted on 02/12/2012 7:31:56 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

David Barton is terrific. I’d vote for HIM for president any day!


2 posted on 02/12/2012 7:34:02 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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Rick Green is the co-host of Wallbuilders Live.


3 posted on 02/12/2012 7:37:04 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Barton is amazing. I like his thoughts on things for sure.


4 posted on 02/12/2012 7:38:46 AM PST by GulfBreeze
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I was introduced to David Barton’s work in early 92 and was very impressed. Actually had a chance to chat with him on the eve of the 92 elections in a fluke meeting which was fun. (he warned me about the influence of Karl Rove and one other insider on GWB’s team in fact. But that’s another thread).

But to the point - It makes total sense that two students of history like Barton and Newt would have a lot in common. I would pay a nice sum to sit in on a dinner conversation between those two.


5 posted on 02/12/2012 7:39:39 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
What's Barton think of this?


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 

6 posted on 02/12/2012 8:16:51 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

David Barton is an excellent historian and seems to be a strong Christian. If he associates himself with Newt (a good thing IMO), he should be ready for Glenn Beck to break ties with him and call him a scumbag by association, LOL.


7 posted on 02/12/2012 8:32:42 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Yes I was wondering what Barton was going to do about his close buddyness with Beck...

???????????????????


8 posted on 02/12/2012 10:43:10 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: LomanBill

I would say he would agree with it.

Have you actually listened to Barton? Or only what progressives say about him?


9 posted on 02/12/2012 12:20:14 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

No doubt Barton is a lot more stable than Beck, so I imagine he would join up with Newt if he likes and let Beck have his hissy fit——Glenn’s problem, not his.


10 posted on 02/12/2012 1:09:09 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

From what Barton believes I wouldnt call him stable


11 posted on 02/12/2012 3:59:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

What’s that?


12 posted on 02/12/2012 4:08:22 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
>>I would say he would agree with it.
 
Perhaps you would, but I want to know what he thinks of it in his own words.
 
I have one of his DVDs -- one that doesn't include this...
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
 
http://www.history1700s.com/etext/html/texts/jefferson/jeff1.txt
 
Where can I find a reference to Jefferson's thoughts, articulated in that passage, in Barton's materials?

13 posted on 02/12/2012 4:35:01 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Why? Barton is BRILLIANT


14 posted on 02/12/2012 5:29:37 PM PST by allsouthern
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To: LomanBill

try wallbuilders.com

What do you think his thoughts would be? What Jefferson says there is exactly the same conclusion Barton has drawn about him in every commentary I have seen, heard, or read from Barton. Seriously, if you only have ONE of Barton’s dvds, then you are selling yourself short. He has a some works out there.


15 posted on 02/12/2012 5:34:48 PM PST by allsouthern
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To: Tennessee Nana

What does he believe?


16 posted on 02/12/2012 5:45:07 PM PST by carmody
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To: LomanBill

-—————Perhaps you would, but I want to know what he thinks of it in his own words.———————

You said you had one of Barton’s DVDs. In every fairly long presentation of his I’ve ever seen(meaning more than a few minutes), he’s made it clear that all of his progressive detractors are clueless(or dishonest) about him and what he’s really saying.(not that it’s hard to miss)

Which DVD do you have? Name it, please.


17 posted on 02/12/2012 5:54:52 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
"From what Barton believes I wouldnt call him stable"

Really? Can you elaborate?

18 posted on 02/12/2012 6:09:19 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

>>Which DVD do you have? Name it, please.

America’s Godly Heritage


19 posted on 02/12/2012 6:13:45 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: allsouthern

>>try wallbuilders.com

Did. There’s a single reference to the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom - and it’s dated 12/26/2011

David Barton - 12/26/2011

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Virginia+Act+for+establishing+Religious+Freedom%22+site:wallbuilders.com

There appears to be no text there that articulates Barton’s opinion or thoughts regarding the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom.


20 posted on 02/12/2012 6:23:49 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

IIRC, I’ve seen that one........ and you couldn’t have missed Barton’s real message.

He may not have addressed those specific lines you are referencing, but he does agree with them. Anybody who’s done a fair amount of digging into the Founders would have to come to that as being the correct assessment of their views. Unless they were dishonest.(like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests, and believe Barton to be a “theocratist”)

The Founders just were not interested in forcing any one religion upon anybody else - and neither is Barton.


21 posted on 02/12/2012 6:25:00 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN”

—The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
—Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

ETERNAL HOSTILITY?

Strong words.

To what “TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN” was Jefferson directing this hostility?


22 posted on 02/12/2012 6:30:11 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

>>but he does agree with them.

Great. Then you can show me WHERE he articulates that agreement?


23 posted on 02/12/2012 6:33:42 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
>>like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests,

Maybe that's just because those "progressives" haven't read the writing on the Walls of the Jefferson memorial, where Jefferson's belief in a Creator is articulated multiple times -- for all to see with their own eyes and FREE mind.

 
 
 
BUT THEN, perhaps the same thing could be said of those who influenced the Texas board of edumacation in its decision to exclude Thomas Jefferson from certain sections if its curriculum... sections  regarding "Revolutionary Thinkers".
 
 
How'come America's "Historian", who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn't immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?
 
 
 
 

24 posted on 02/12/2012 6:57:39 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
>>like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests,

Maybe that's just because those "progressives" haven't read the writing on the Walls of the Jefferson memorial, where Jefferson's belief in a Creator is articulated multiple times -- for all to see with their own eyes and FREE mind.

 
 
 
BUT THEN, perhaps the same thing could be said of those who influenced the Texas board of edumacation in its decision to exclude Thomas Jefferson from certain sections if its curriculum... sections  regarding "Revolutionary Thinkers".
 
 
How'come America's "Historian", who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn't immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?
 
 
 
 

25 posted on 02/12/2012 6:59:16 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing



"Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. "This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world," he observes. "

Read more: http://www.indiancinemafans.com/board/upload/lounge-57/historian-barton-says-hindu-prayer-before-senate-raises-concerns-13302/#ixzz1mE7yOTTl

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
http://www.history1700s.com/etext/html/texts/jefferson/jeff1.txt
 
He "questions".  Uhuh.

FAIL.  No history soup for you!  Or for the Texas Board of Edumacation.


Got Morals and Dogma?

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=Morals+and+Dogma
 
 
 

26 posted on 02/12/2012 7:26:46 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

From what Barton believes? Lets see, he quotes from original manuscripts and believes the writers actually meant what they wrote, instead of believing what some modern day propagandist says they meant.

That upsets you Nana?


27 posted on 02/12/2012 10:42:17 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: LomanBill

How come Libertarians don’t ever win elections? Why do they always sew the seeds of doubt, on ground that will not grow them?

Libertarianism=Perversion in Progress


28 posted on 02/12/2012 10:52:09 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: LomanBill

Maybe you would be more comfortable with Freud?


29 posted on 02/12/2012 10:55:05 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: LomanBill

============he questions the motivation of Senate leaders=============

and

============in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination===============

Non sequitor.

————————while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate, he wonders about the political side of it. “One definitely wonders about the pragmatic side of it,” he says. “What is the message, and why is the message needed? And will it actually communicate anything other than engender with folks like me a lot of questions?”

Barton says he knows of at least seven cases where Christians have lost their bid to express their own faith in a public prayer.-———————

It’s a fair thing to wonder about. I’ve wondered about it myself, and Freepers wonder about it nearly daily, it seems.

============while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate==========

=============while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate============

========while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate==========

And there it is. That right there is what you are looking for.


30 posted on 02/13/2012 3:27:09 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: LomanBill

——————To what “TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN” was Jefferson directing this hostility?——————

Perhaps, the kind that will allow Hindu prayer but not Christian prayer?

Yeah, I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest Jefferson would have a big problem with that. Oh wait! Barton does too! Weird.


31 posted on 02/13/2012 3:29:06 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: LomanBill

——————How’come America’s “Historian”, who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn’t immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?-——————

Because it didn’t happen, not the way everybody has been led to believe.

Even something as clearly anti-conservative as this can’t help but swerve into the truth:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-education/state-board-of-education/sboe-removes-thomas-jefferson-blames-media/

==========The New York Times, in its story on the board’s vote, did mention the Jefferson amendment, accurately, but did not add that Jefferson is covered elsewhere in the curriculum.============

Loman, you’ve been slimed by the NY Slimes. Which is OK, it happens to us all. Happens to me too. They purposefully run with a half truth............

This is why they’re called the drive by media. They roll by slowly, spray a bunch of crap in the air, then drive off quickly while someone else has to clean up the mess.

==========But here’s what the board did: Early in the day, member Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond, successfully moved to remove Thomas Jefferson from a list of philosophers in the World History standards=============

So this is only an issue of a list of philosophers. Not the whole curricula.

Even Jefferson himself has noted the significance of Blackstone:

———————The opinion seems to be that Blackstone is to us what the Alkoran is to the Mahometans, that everything which is necessary is in him-—————————

Now, Jefferson didn’t seem to always like the idea about Blackstone’s influence during his day. But that’s another matter.


32 posted on 02/13/2012 3:53:59 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
There's ONE mention of the Virginia Act for the Establishment of Religious freedom on WallBuilders.org

And that didn't appear until a couple of months ago.



It is what it is.

NO SALE.
33 posted on 02/13/2012 6:21:56 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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