Skip to comments.oposed strip club to nuns: Donít impose your religious beliefs on us
Posted on 02/13/2012 4:20:40 AM PST by Graybeard58
The owner of a soon-to-be-built strip club in the western suburb of Stone Park has this to say to a group of neighboring nuns who dont like his plans: Mind your own business.
As a legal, tax-paying citizen of this community, we ask only to be judged fairly by what we have done and not through the recent religious fervor, Bob Itzkow, the clubs owner, said in statement released Friday. In reference to our non-tax-paying neighbors, we ask that you treat us as we have treated you, by not trying to unduly disturb us by imposing your religious beliefs on us or others. All throughout our plans for this project, weve followed the letter and spirit of the law.
The Missionary Sisters of Saint Charles Borromeo, who occupy the property next to the club, have moral objections to the project and have raised questions about whether the rules were followed properly by Stone Park officials during the 2010 approval process.
Stone Park Mayor Beniamino Mazulla has said everything was done legally, even though hes not personally a big fan of the project.
On Friday, one of the nuns, Sister Marissonia Daltoe, responded to Itzkows statement this way: To me personally, this is not a matter of imposing religious beliefs its a matter of defending our moral Christian principles of the community at large.
Daltoe said the sisters are currently in a moment of reflection regarding any future efforts to fight the club.
We are thinking, she said. We are seeing what can be done."
Missionary Sister of St. Charl, Melrose Park, illinois. Sister Marissonia Daltoe, stands near the convent's garden that shows the new gentleman's club that is to close to the Sisters Convent. February 7Th,2012 I Scott Stewart~Sun-Times
"Proposed strip club to nuns: Dont impose your religious beliefs on us".
The strip club is looking for free publicity at the expense of the nuns. I suspect that, in a few years, the strip club will be bankrupt, like most other new clubs. The nuns will soldier on.
The nuns should just put up a web-cam, aimed at the club’s door, and post the feed on their website. A few patrons might be willing to be seen coming and going from such an establishment, but the majority will stay away.
They could also capture the License Plates of all the cars entering the lot, and post them as well.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
The Nuns are a day late and a dollar short on this.
The time to oppose this was back when the permits were applied for.
Now the building is up the guy has his permits and they are stuck.The Mayor and the permit office and the zoning commission should have given this some thought before the permits were issued.
I think you are probably correct in this prediction.
However, if this club has met the legal requirements I think they have the right to operate their business.
The nuns should just set up security cameras - pointing out towards the club and stream video of the parking lot of the club 24/7. Suggestions for their web site name are welcome!
Might limit the strip club clientele’s interest in visiting ... ;-)
I wonder what they’d have to say if it were a Mosque that had objections...
...with much thanks to our Catholic bashing money printer.
The nuns should witness to the strippers.
They may get a few saved souls.
” Suggestions for their web site name are welcome!”
Nun Too Bright - let us help locate your husband.
The nuns should erect a large cross on their property line next to the club. I’ll be the mayor could find an ordinance to have them remove it. If not, perhaps it would be a good witness.
“Missionary Sister of St. Charl, Melrose Park, illinois”
Missionary? One would think that a strip club would provide a wealth of sinners from which to harvest. Perhaps they need to think that their glass is half full.
all jokoin aside, theres a humungous Cross next to a bookstore/shop i saw in Tenn awhile back...seemed effective...
That is why we’re in the world, to pull sinners out of it.
You can take your “moral Christian principles” and shove them up your habit sister.
It looks to me like they are looking to re-purpose an existing industrial building. I suspect this is just a little bit of cheap self-promotion at the expense of the nuns. Anything the nuns want to do fight back is fair game, IMHO.
A simple dummy camera on the corner of the property, with a sign visible from the street saying "Look for our future security camera feed at www.Where-Is-Your-Husband.com" should suffice...
Back in the day it was, "believe as we do, or die!" Now it's "believe as we do, or we'll break you financially, and disgrace you in the community in which you've chosen to live and work!" Not death, to be sure, but not too far from it.
IMHO: I demand, "RAPTURE NOW"!
This guy should not impose the avarice and crime that goes along with his kind of business on nuns.
However, he is following the law. This must be a town that does not have laws as to how far a strip or alcohol bar can be build in proximity to schools and churches?
That's what I was thinking, as well. The muzzies won't just walk away wonder what their next step would be. They'd already have that planned out.
Nuns to club:
“Don’t impose your smut on our community!”
I hope they ring their church bell every hour!
Venturer is a year late, and seventy thousand dollars short on this one.
And should have read the article closely.
This is the corrupt Chicago area.
Notices when the project began were “accidently” sent to wrong addresses. The Nuns didn’t know this was coming.
Actually, the nuns should use this situation as an opportunity:
1) The nuns should hold prayer services/place signs on their property, within earshot/sight of the the strip club.
2)Use these prayer services/signs to remind the young ladies(who WILL eventually bottom out on drugs,spousal beating etc) that Christ is ALWAYS there for them,regardless of their past.
3) A reminder of the saga of Mary Magdalene to these women would be a bonus.
God sometimes places an opportunity right in our face yet we do not see it.
-—”believe as we do, or we’ll break you financially, and disgrace you in the community in which you’ve chosen to live and work!” Not death, to be sure, but not too far from it.——
Do we have a God-given right to do evil?
Is that logical or reasonable?
The only way to reasonably advocate the legal tolerance of a particular evil is that the criminalization of a particular evil will result in greater evil.
In this case, I don’t see many evils resulting from a community banning a nefarious strip club, but I can see many evils resulting from permitting it.
Your anti-Catholicism is showing.
Blame the nun. All of congress and BO are just dupes in the game.
The mooselimbs wouldn't object, they'd send an 11 year old soldier of allah, with a bomb belt and end the entire operation.
That may be a good use of a terrorist.
“You can take your moral Christian principles and shove them up your habit sister.”
It’s a good thing moral Christian principles weren’t shoved up somewhere dark back when the founders were creating this Good nation as they were the rock upon which the founders stood. However the current occupant of the oval office is presently shoving our traditional Christian moral principles up our own asses so we will get to see how well a our nation does without them. (As if history weren’t enough)
You got it. This is so transparent yet the media will play its part of turning this into a "don't impose your values on me" storyline.
Zoning is a classic local issue. The township or city has every right to tell the property owner he can't open a strip club there. Yet somehow the media has perverted the law and Constitution into a document that permits a property owner to do whatever he or she wants on the property (unless -- God forbid -- its running a business or putting up a big American flag).
And anyone who thinks that strip clubs increase property values need to have their head examined. There is probably about a 99% correlation between strip clubs and prostitution and drug sales. That is what you get when a strip club is put in.
“Do we have a God-given right to do evil?”
Yes. It’s called free will.
I agree 100%. The owner of this club is giving the good sisters a gold plated chance to do some real good!
So since God has made it possible for us to choose evil, He doesn’t care if we choose to do evil?
So has obozo, so have the Democrats. Choose your poison.
Of course it may have been the same strain of Evil that is drawn to power then as now. THEN there was a great deal of power in the Church, NOW there is a great deal of power in Government and it's bureaucracy.. The Church survived the evil in it's ranks (Christ warned of them)now we see how government handles the infestation...
Perhaps, this would be merely a local zoning issue if the same balance were given to permit the free exercise of religion.
In the world of the Sun-Times, it’s a story because intolerant religious zealots object to amoral behavior. When the intolerant atheists object to the Ten Commandments, they are noble citizens protecting the Constitution.
It’s time to recognize and expose the agenda of left wing rags.
They have every right to have an opinion and to state their opinion.
To be fair, that’s not what he said.
He said we have a right to choose evil.
We also have the right to experience the consequences for that choice.
That’s one of the lies of the leftist/satanic worldview - that there will be no consequences. (you will surely not die)
On another note, does it never occur to Satan’s sheep on the left that they are imposing THEIR worldview on US?
-—He said we have a right to choose evil.——
Yes. And we don’t.
For rights to be eternal and unalienable, they must come from God. God has given us freewill, Why? To choose good, not evil. The choice of evil is an abuse of free will.
Americans fundamentally misunderstand the idea of true freedom. We are truly free when we choose the good. God gives us freedom so that we can choose good, not evil. The converse is nonsensical.
The question then arises, Should every vice be criminalized? The answer to that question is no, since the criminalization of many vices results in greater societal vice, or places other undue burdens on society.
The important point is that Americans must learn that it is illogical to claim an absolute, God-given right to do evil, just because God has made it possible for us to choose evil.
They could also get a nice payoff for turning it off. Until then, they could use the images to teach why strip clubs are a bad thing. It's a TWOFER!
“That’s a man, baby.”
I think I'm starting to get it.
It's like a parent telling their child they are free to choose to eat either the spinach or the ice cream... as long as they choose the spinach. If instead they choose the ice cream, the freedom of choice will no longer be unalienable, the parent may take the right to choose away, and the parent will FORCE the child to eat the spinach.
But free will gives the child the choice to eat the spinach voluntarily instead of being forced to eat it.
Is that how it works?
Folks, the simplest solution is for the nuns to ATTEND the strip club. Sit in the front row, order water, pay the minimum (ladies night?) and chat with the dancers about how they might make their lives better.
In full traditional habit if they can.
Let’s just say it will change the mood for the men who would be attending.
Very well put. The freedom to choose good means nothing if there is no alternative. Of course God wants us to choose good; but the value in choosing good is, in part, the rejection of evil. God also gives us the freedom to worship Him, but He does not force us to, or else how would that be freedom at all?
Adam and Eve failed to choose the good (which didn’t entail actually DOING good, only refraining from disobeying God in the Garden of Eden), and Man has paid the price (until Christ picked up the tab).
Eating ice cream isn’t evil, so the analogy fails.
A better analogy would be the choice between eating a dish of ice cream, versus eating a half gallon. The latter would represent an abuse of freedom —I.e., gluttony.
Who said anything about the parent withdrawing the freedom to choose because it was evil? They could take away the freedom to choose based on the color of the food chosen just as easily as any other arbitrary criteria.
Now I get it. Most lesbians do oppose strip clubs.
Perhaps I was to harsh, normally I respect others faith. But when people of whatever faith use that faith to try and control others. It really bothers me.
Does that include the “faith” of secular humanism?
The assumption of that “faith” is used to control others all the time in our contemporary world.
I do not make assumptions. But I can see it when it’s put in practice.
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