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EDITORIAL: Obama’s free abortion pills (Obama forces religious organizations to give abortions)
washington times ^ | 2/10/2012 | staff

Posted on 02/13/2012 5:07:12 AM PST by tobyhill

Someone should tell President Obama there’s no such thing as a free abortion pill. The White House is trying to douse a political wildfire sparked by an Obamacare mandate forcing religiously affiliated institutions to provide a full range of contraception measures for employees - including pills that induce abortions. Catholic and other religious leaders with principled objections cried foul, citing promises that they and their affiliates would be covered by a “conscience waiver” for any provisions of the law that created this kind of moral dilemma. On Friday Mr. Obama proposed a new rule whereby the onus would be on the insurance companies who cover the employees to reach out with cost-free contraceptives.

It was typical of the administration to make the proposed deal a giveaway program. Mr. Obama seems to be saying that if you don’t see who is paying for the abortion pills then no one is. “Religious organizations won’t have to pay for these services,” he said. But of course they will. Insurance companies may be required by law to provide these services at no cost to the recipient, but costs are still involved. Employers will still be directly subsidizing the birth control plan. It was a classic Obama compromise; he gets 100 percent of what he wants and the other side gets a lecture about fairness.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortifacients; abortiondrugs; contraceptionmandate; morningafterpill; waronreligion

1 posted on 02/13/2012 5:07:19 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Never have we had a president who held such contempt and scorn for the citizens of this country. Each and every American that voted or will vote for this scum should bow their heads in shame.


2 posted on 02/13/2012 5:09:14 AM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: tobyhill

There is no “right” to contraceptives, sterilization, or abortifacients!

This is simply a wedge on the path to Obama’s pronouncement,
“That’s the problem with private insurance, too many restrictions!”
“That’s why we need government run healthcare, so we have “fair healthcare for everybody”.

THEN we will see BLOCKED ACCESS TO TESTING AND TREATMENT!!!


3 posted on 02/13/2012 5:15:40 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: wagglebee; narses; P-Marlowe; Salvation; tobyhill; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

It doesn’t matter who is paying for it. It is STILL a plan that offers abortion and pre-abortion medications. The administration is attempting to obfuscate that fact.

And Obama is forcing this plan to be offered by religious institutions who vehemently protest those sins.

The Church wants to offer a plan that does NOT include access to sinful procedures and drugs in any capacity.

Is that hard to understand?


4 posted on 02/13/2012 5:21:56 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: G Larry

There’s no right to 90% of what the Liberal idiots in DC are pushing on the American public. A “right” as ensconced in the Bill of Rights is defined as something extant that cannot be taken or given by anyone or anything. The right to freely express oneself, to freely associate, to defend oneself; those are rights given to us by God that cannot be usurped no matter what government tries to pull.

The “right” to a house or a car or Internet is patently ridiculous. There’s nothing in the annals of human history that’s ever proved that humans require shelter or transportation or *snicker* communication media. Those were things that we, as humans, had to seek and find on our own.

Can you imagine if the cavemen tried this shit? “Ugg has right to cave. Ugg stand here until cave given him.”

Needless to say:

*Ugg dies in the cold*


5 posted on 02/13/2012 5:24:33 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: All

Aside from the religious aspect of this (which is huge), has anyone looked into the possible quid-pro-quo with the Obama Admin / HSS and Big Pharma? Ya know if the GOP had any kind of mandate that forced an entities to cover the cost of products produced by drug companies, the Dems would be screeching that the GOP is in bed with “evil Big Pharma”

In addition to the issue of religious freedom, if I were in the GOP, I would pose the question to everyone, who is really in bed with Big Pharma?


6 posted on 02/13/2012 5:29:10 AM PST by PizzaTheHut
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To: rarestia

The left uses the poor as an excuse to take over our lives and ensure control and power.


7 posted on 02/13/2012 5:30:39 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..
RE :’Someone should tell President Obama there’s no such thing as a free abortion pill. The White House is trying to douse a political wildfire sparked by an Obamacare mandate forcing religiously affiliated institutions to provide a full range of contraception measures for employees - including pills that induce abortions. Catholic and other religious leaders with principled objections cried foul, citing promises that they and their affiliates would be covered by a “conscience waiver” for any provisions of the law that created this kind of moral dilemma. On Friday Mr. Obama proposed a new rule whereby the onus would be on the insurance companies who cover the employees to reach out with cost-free contraceptives.
It was typical of the administration to make the proposed deal a giveaway program. Mr. Obama seems to be saying that if you don’t see who is paying for the abortion pills then no one is. “Religious organizations won’t have to pay for these services,” he said. But of course they will. Insurance companies may be required by law to provide these services at no cost to the recipient, but costs are still involved. Employers will still be directly subsidizing the birth control plan. It was a classic Obama compromise; he gets 100 percent of what he wants and the other side gets a lecture about fairness.

very well put!

Obama’s outright dishonesty and cynicism never ceases to amaze me. Many of these non-profits ‘self insure’ meaning that they pay for their employees health care themselves and just use a third party administrator to handle the claims and premiums that the employees pay.

So Obama is telling these Catholic nonprofits that they really are not paying for the abortion pills, because they will get the money back when their employees use them and reduce birth/pregnancy related costs.

I will be sorely disappointed if this scam works for Obama.

8 posted on 02/13/2012 5:37:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: xzins
... abortion and pre-abortion medications.

No offense intended, but "abortion medications" is a contradiction in terms.

Cordially

9 posted on 02/13/2012 5:38:14 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: G Larry
So far, most people are missing the main point. While the furor over religion vs. state rages on, the fact Obama/President HAS NO RIGHT TO MANDATE ANYTHING, whether to religious entities, insurance companies--nothing. He cannot go around like a tin pot dictator, stating what will and will not be done per our lives,churches, companies.

Yet he is doing so. Where are the GOPers with enough mental clarity and the anatomical equipment to stand up to this whiney, petulant, egotistic would be emperor?

vaudine

10 posted on 02/13/2012 5:39:55 AM PST by vaudine
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To: rarestia

There was a time when man made his own decisions, was practically self-sufficient, definitely self-reliant,

and a part of society by CHOICE,
not by necessity or compulsion.

This man was called an “American”.


11 posted on 02/13/2012 5:40:22 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: tobyhill

Obama is about to be on the receiving end of a fight...the likes of which he has never seen.

We CANNOT and we WILL NOT comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 02/13/2012 5:41:03 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: xzins

From my understanding, the text of 0bamacare includes a clause that requires all approved insurance programs to spend at least one dollar of every premium on abortion.

There is only one reason to require this nominal amount -
to make EVERYONE complicit.

They know, viscerally, that abortion is murder of the most innocent, but they don’t want to be standing alone before the Judge with this stain on their hands.

“See, they all paid for it, too!”


13 posted on 02/13/2012 5:43:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale
I will be sorely disappointed if this scam works for Obama.

will be ??? itll work as designed and i also questioned the 'self insured' angle the other day...its unspoken but too obvious...

also, the black and white of BC pills is never debated, as theyre designed to prevent a fertilized egg to attach, not to prevent the fertilization in the first place...peel away that onion and most wimmin dont even realize that they are potentially, continually 'killing' embryos every month...and quite honestly, i didnt really consider this argument until recently myself...

everything about the left and bambam are built on lies, deceptions and sleight of hand...

the clueless eat this sh!t up and come back for more, everytime, until they are the aforementioned embryo thats lined up next to a ditch...

id give odds that the privacy of the voting booth will allow most of the outrage over this to be glossed over as the cost of doing business...with the father of lies...

14 posted on 02/13/2012 5:48:51 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Diamond

Just to be clear, I did say “pre-abortion medications” and not “abortion medications”.

But, I’m willing to listen. Explain what you’re thinking, if you don’t mind, and I expect we agree but are dealing with my unclear writing.


15 posted on 02/13/2012 5:49:24 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

This latest nobamination should surprise no one. Didn’t this fool (nobama) strongly support sucking the brains out of living children so as to kill them? He was/is a strong proponent of so-called “partial birth abortion.”


16 posted on 02/13/2012 5:52:08 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MrB

I agree. And I’m totally convinced that Obammunism wants to define religion as “worship only” and to separate from it any religious ministries that are just as much a part of that religion. They want religion to be candles, music, speaking, in a ‘religious building’. That’s ALL they want it to be.

But we know that Christianity is also Good Samaritan, Feeding the Thousands, Widow and Orphan Ministry, etc., etc., etc.

Obammunism MUST have control of all that they see as “social services” and religious ministries stand in their way of being seen as the only Big Brother with a handout.


17 posted on 02/13/2012 5:54:01 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: sickoflibs
"A one-size-fits-all government mandated health care system necessarily will impinge on the rights of any religious denomination. No cleverly crafted, politically motivated tweaking of the rules will change that. Catholics will still be paying for abortion pills, like it or not."

The Author nails the problem. Not only will Catholics (and the rest of us be paying for Abortions), but with it will go the Freedom of Religion. Freedom of Religion to be replaced by the Religion of Atheists.

18 posted on 02/13/2012 5:54:28 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sickoflibs; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale
So Obama is telling these Catholic nonprofits that they really are not paying for the abortion pills, because they will get the money back when their employees use them and reduce birth/pregnancy related costs.

I could see that argument coming from the very start of this "kerfluffle" (as Rush called it).

19 posted on 02/13/2012 5:56:43 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: tobyhill
dict_joker
20 posted on 02/13/2012 6:00:00 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: formosa
Never have we had a president who held such contempt and scorn for the citizens of this country

Never had a foreigner playing president before.

21 posted on 02/13/2012 6:03:59 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SumProVita
Obama is about to be on the receiving end of a fight...the likes of which he has never seen.
We CANNOT and we WILL NOT comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoken like a TRUE PATRIOT!!!!!! Hussein 0bama will soon learn that Americans WILL NEVER BOW TO A DICTATOR!

22 posted on 02/13/2012 6:07:11 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: tobyhill

23 posted on 02/13/2012 6:16:39 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: rarestia
The “right” to a house or a car or Internet is patently ridiculous. There’s nothing in the annals of human history that’s ever proved that humans require shelter or transportation or *snicker* communication media. Those were things that we, as humans, had to seek and find on our own.
Can you imagine if the cavemen tried this shit? “Ugg has right to cave. Ugg stand here until cave given him.”
Needless to say:
*Ugg dies in the cold*


What a terrible way for 0bama's Uncle Omar to go.
25 posted on 02/13/2012 6:26:48 AM PST by mkjessup (Let's do to Mitt what his Irish Setter did to him while tied to the roof rack of his station wagon!)
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To: Gilbo_3

“as they’re designed to prevent a fertilized egg to attach, not to prevent the fertilization in the first place”

Uh, no. Hormonal contraceptives were designed to prevent ovulation from occurring. It also keeps cervical mucus thick, preventing sperm from reaching an egg. If, in the slim chance a woman does ovulate on hormonal birth control, and the egg is fertilized, it does not implant in the uterus because the lining is thin.

But, if you read about the history of the Pill and it’s creator, the goal was to prevent ovulation in the first place...NOT prevent a fertilized egg from attaching in the uterus.


26 posted on 02/13/2012 7:21:39 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: mkjessup; 2ndDivisionVet
RE :”Unfortunately, once the initial outrage tapers off, once the righteous indignation of bishops, cardinals, priests, ministers, etc. fades from page one, the average churchgoer will just shrug it off and accept what has been done to them

That plus voters just LOVE free stuff. Obama's common line is "I just gave you all this stuff for free as I didn't raise taxes". The popular Obama-care mandates all look free, even though they are not as the costs are hidden.

If Republicans call him a Nazi he will say "All I did was make things better with all my gifts and it didnt hurt anyone. You just hate me because I am ....".

27 posted on 02/13/2012 7:51:33 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: xzins

Evidently it is impossible for Obama. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


28 posted on 02/13/2012 8:45:16 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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29 posted on 02/13/2012 8:58:13 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: coop71
if you read about the history of the Pill and it’s creator, the goal was to prevent ovulation in the first place...NOT prevent a fertilized egg from attaching in the uterus.

thanks fer the lesson...so it IS designed to prevent fertilization, and can not be actively/daily monitored for *success* in that regard, but the known side effect IS abortion of the eggs & sperms that do make it thru the gauntlet...

even more reason to shine the light on everything about this evil *law*...

30 posted on 02/13/2012 10:20:02 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: xzins
I just interpreted the conjunction "and" in the phrase, "abortion and pre-abortion medications" as a joining of both adjectives modifying the word, "medications".

In other words, the first one would be, "abortion medications" and the other would be "pre-abortion medications".

My thinking is that nothing in abortion-killing has anything to do with medicine.

Cordially,

31 posted on 02/13/2012 4:22:58 PM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


32 posted on 02/13/2012 7:00:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Diamond

I can see that reading. It’s not what I intended. Thanks for making me look harder at the words I put on the screen.


33 posted on 02/13/2012 7:05:10 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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