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Posted on 02/13/2012 7:58:15 AM PST by C19fan
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Hoover was not homosexual, that is beyond ridiculous.
Really? Could you elaborate?
I've read more than once that he had a long-term monogamous relationship. Today it would be a model of restraint; back then, .....
Yes, 1964 was the last election that the majority of the white vote went to the Democrat.
You have never read in serious history, that Hoover was homosexual, that is a media myth, and one that the Soviet Union wanted to feed.
In real life, he was never homosexual, never wore women’s clothing, he was just devoted to the FBI.
I've seen it in more than one periodical article, and then there's the recent A-list portrayal in J. Edgar.
How explain that? A giant smear? Perpetrated and sustained over what, 50, 60 years?
Hard to believe that people could smear a top cop for 60 years and get away with it.
Even the Rosenberg liars had their corregidors and purifiers of the true record 50 years ago. They never really got away with that one -- "we're innocent, it's a frame!"
I think you have the tougher sell.
J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson were an item over the course of decades.
Hoover denied the existence of organized crime until the 1957 Appalachin arrest of four dozen gang leaders in upper New York State embarrassed him.
He and Clyde were perennial guests of mob-owned race tracks and resorts.
The crusading anti-communist figured prominently in the coverup behind the absurd Warren Commission.
The man viscerally despised the Kennedys, was a neighbor and friend of Johnson for years.
William Sullivan was the opposite number to James Jesus Angleton and was shot dead before he could testify before the HSCA, having had a total fall from grace with the dictatorial director.
From the "love that dare not speak its name" and the stylish matching attire of the Hoover and Tolson pair America has transitioned to the Boy King and his body person Reggie Love.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.--Jerry Seinfeld
I don't have to sell reality, you need to figure out how to sell fantasy.
First, drop that timeline, the homo thing is new (relatively), Hoover, the FBI, the American Intelligence Community did not go through most of the 20th century fighting a non-existent acusation of homosexuality.
Here is a quick description to steer you into doing your own search. This liberal, but respected historian is harsher on Hoover than I think appropriate, but it gets you started nonetheless.
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<Off-topic> The actor who portrayed Agent Tolson in J. Edgar is Armie Hammer. He's the great-grandson of Armand Hammer. I knew his father, Michael Hammer, at Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum in Houston in 1983-4.
Young Armie spent the early 90's (about the time his dad was inheriting, after the old man died) in the Cayman Islands. Nice to have a family foothold there.
Armie Hammer broke out as an actor in The Social Network the year before J. Edgar appeared, in a double role as the Winklevoss twins (the Harvard rowing twins who were the first two people Mark Zuckerberg sharped/screwed on his way to giga-wealth with Facebook).
Thanks for the post.
First, drop that timeline, the homo thing is new (relatively), .....
Well, no, I would disagree, given the dates. From your linked source (thanks again):
WEINER: This is a myth. It's been around since 1937, since Hoover went after homosexuals and government. It was - gasoline was poured on the embers of this by Bill Donovan, Hoover's mortal enemy in government. It's been around forever.
So there is a vintage to it, and granting that it's been meat for strong politico-bureaucratic rivals and may be prisoner to various agendas (not least NPR's), still I don't think either Weiner or you can wave it off quite so casually. Conceded marker No. 2 is that homosexuals, when attacked, almost reflexively, and inevitably, countercharge the accuser with homosexuality of his own, to muddy the waters and blackguard their accuser.
IMHO it's time to get busy digging in the Nixon and Johnson presidential tapes. This subject will have come up again.
I'm also acutely interested in Hoover's and LBJ's strong relationship, and how it was that LBJ blackmailed his way onto the 1960 ticket, for the sake seemingly of an office famously reviled only 20 years before by another Texan, John Nance Garner, only to have the Presidency fall into his hands the way it did. But that's another subject that needs deep research.
Geez, do Whatever, just leave us adults alone.
Yep, deep research.
Devote your life to that stuff, never let up, I think that you have them on the ropes.
Never let anyone trick you into joining the rest of us in our current political world.
California never was part of Mexico in any real sense. It was part of the Spanish Empire, then the Mexican Revolution occurred, during which it was really not controlled by anyone but the locals, then they became part of the U.S.
For more on this, see Travis McGee’s “The True History of the Southwest, 101” at the bottom of my FR profile page.
Take your snark with you.
I get the impression that you are going to unjustly attack Hoover..
the whole movement is by Vatican design.